Honour Killing Trial kicks off.

[Bob]

Indeed, the policies and social norms are misogynistic and I don't much like the idea of moral relativism. If it's wrong to subjugate women, then it doesn't matter what the culture is. However, it's important to always keep in mind that even within these countries there are people that resist the norms and are fighting for freedom in whatever ways that they can. In Canada, you can't look at someone or even their passport and broadbrush them with the identity of their culture. For instance, many of the Afghanis near Ottawa were interpreters for our military during the war. They're on our "side", but still culturally Afghani. I believe it was you that said in the past that anyone from there is nothing more than a sheep-herding barbarian--I apologize if it wasn't. All I'm suggesting is that there's no way of knowing what any given individual believes. As it goes for women's dress, if you grew up in a culture that required you to be covered head-to-toe, you would probably feel like you were walking around in your underwear if all of a sudden you were in Canada and had to wear the kinds of clothing women wear here. It should always be up to the person to have the freedom to do whatever makes them feel comfortable. Just because a woman continues to cover herself, you can't know for sure that the husband is a misogynist and requires it of her.

It's funny how you need to be so verbose in order to state the obvious: there are exceptions to trends. When you get down to the micro level of course this is true, but we were talking about things on a macro level, in case you hadn't noticed.

[Bob]

Wrong again fluffy. Not trying to portray any religious or culture group in negative light because of the shitty behaviour of some of their shitty adherents. Because I know better.

But like I said earlier, everyone knows how you view the extraordinary, you have become a caricature of yourself.

If your intention wasn't to try to smear Jewish people, in an attempt to draw moral equivalence between the broader Jewish people and broader Muslim world (where there is no such equivalence to be drawn), then why did you post an article about a murder story perpetrated by a religious Jewish man in an orthodox Jewish community? Tell us all, explicitly, what your intention when you posted that story?

[cybercoma]

It's funny how you need to be so verbose in order to state the obvious: there are exceptions to trends. When you get down to the micro level of course this is true, but we were talking about things on a macro level, in case you hadn't noticed.

Except you seem to want to translate those generalizations to individuals. That's the problem.

[Bob]

Except you seem to want to translate those generalizations to individuals. That's the problem.

Well, these generalization come from individuals, so to a point, you're right. I never state that all of a certain group are a certain way, though. Like you've already said, albeit in a verbose manner as if it was some sort of original insight, there are exceptions to trends.

Edited October 23, 2011 by Bob

[Shwa]

If your intention wasn't to try to smear Jewish people, in an attempt to draw moral equivalence between the broader Jewish people and broader Muslim world (where there is no such equivalence to be drawn), then why did you post an article about a murder story perpetrated by a religious Jewish man in an orthodox Jewish community? Tell us all, explicitly, what your intention when you posted that story?

To show that is the only conclusion you are capable of comprehending because you lack the intellectual faculties to see the broader picture.

Thankfully most people aren't burdened this with form of austism.

[Bob]

To show that is the only conclusion you are capable of comprehending because you lack the intellectual faculties to see the broader picture.

Thankfully most people aren't burdened this with form of austism.

In other words, you won't explain your intentions and will now retreat behind insults.

[Shwa]

In other words, you won't explain your intentions and will now retreat behind insults.

No, you just proved my point for me. You see Bob, I gave you an explanation, in plain English, and you failed to comprehend the meaning of the words.

And I don't mean to be insulting, but I really think you are suffering from a form of autism that limits your intellectual capacity. There's no shame in it. You are who you are.

[g_bambino]

{I}t is the threat of violence that keeps many women in Muslim families compliant with cultural/religious expectations against their will.

The threat of violence still marks the use of violence, only in a psychological rather than physical manner. We're still waiting to see some evidence from you that's more substantial than circumstantial.

[g_bambino]

Why does this need to be said every time a conversation about Islamic culture arises?

What gave you the indication that the point was raised merely because the topic of conversation related to Islamic culture?