cybercoma Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 Let's have suggestions: "Hard-working Canadians" take a shot "Padlocks" take a shot "Stable, responsible government" take a shot "Fragile economic recovery" take a shot "Socialist agenda" take a shot Quote
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Posted June 25, 2011 Elizabeth May reads from the Parliamentary Rules handbook. Take a shot. Newfie MP discusses fisheries. Take a shot. Quote
Topaz Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 Right now its a stalemate, but the NDP know that this Bill will pass, they are just going to do it on THEIR time not the Tories. The Tories could have put a time-limits on this debate but they chose not to. One journalist said they are trying to prove that he NDP are still for unions and a socialist party. Tories always have to play their games at the taxpayers expense. This is no longer a strike by the postal workers, its a lockout so the ball is in the government's court. Quote
g_bambino Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 Tories always have to play their games at the taxpayers expense. So does the NDP, apparently. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Posted June 25, 2011 That's all very nice, but it's being discussed elsewhere. Either make some rules and start drinking with me or get lost. Quote
Topaz Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 So does the NDP, apparently. True, but in this instances, Canada Post, stop the locked out and get the mail moving and keep the talks going. What's wrong with that? Perhaps CP is doing what most companies do, keep them off, save as much money as you can and give yourself a bigger bonus! Quote
CPCFTW Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) Take a shot whenever the NDP pats itself on the back for being a "true opposition" by filibustering unlike the liberals who actually let the governing party govern. Take a shot whenever an NDP member lobs a softball question to another NDP to reiterate their boring talking points. Take a shot whenever the NDP insults the liberals for having so few seats. Take a shot when the NDP caucus bangs their tables and cries "here here" in self-righteous approval. Take a shot whenever an NDP member becomes red-faced and feigns indignation when a conservative MP questions the NDP's motives and who they truly represent. "Strong middle class" take 1/5th of a shot. Edited June 25, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
Evening Star Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) Dude, I like a good beer but even I didn't start drinking before 11 am! Edited June 25, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Posted June 25, 2011 Dude, I like a good beer but even I didn't start drinking before 11 am! We're heading into the 40th hour of debate... when I started it was after 11am. Quote
Triple M Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 The NDP have stood up for their base and workers but isn't it time for them to let this bill pass???? Quote
Evening Star Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) The NDP have stood up for their base and workers but isn't it time for them to let this bill pass???? No? It would be a little weak to fight it this long and then just give up, wouldn't it? Of course, the CPC could speed things up by not asking questions, if that's what they want... Edited June 25, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Posted June 25, 2011 Every time someone makes a post in this thread that has nothing to do with the drinking game. Take a shot. Quote
Evening Star Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 We're heading into the 40th hour of debate... when I started it was after 11am. Respect if you've been watching this for 40h straight. Maybe I'll pick up some beers and join in if they're still going this evening. Quote
ToadBrother Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 Right now its a stalemate, but the NDP know that this Bill will pass, they are just going to do it on THEIR time not the Tories. The Tories could have put a time-limits on this debate but they chose not to. One journalist said they are trying to prove that he NDP are still for unions and a socialist party. Tories always have to play their games at the taxpayers expense. This is no longer a strike by the postal workers, its a lockout so the ball is in the government's court. I think everyone is hoping the union and Canada Post sort this out without Parliament's intervention. I don't imagine it will last much past the weekend. Quote
Evening Star Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 Yeah, I always thought the NDP's goal is to buy more time for the parties to resolve their negotiations instead of having a settlement imposed on them. Quote
Triple M Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 No? It would be a little weak to fight it this long and then just give up, wouldn't it? Of course, the CPC could speed things up by not asking questions, if that's what they want... To be honest this whole mess could of been handled better by everyone involved. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Posted June 25, 2011 I think everyone is hoping the union and Canada Post sort this out without Parliament's intervention. I don't imagine it will last much past the weekend. It's not going to happen. They cannot bargain fairly now. On the table is legislation that rolls back the last offer from Canada Post. In other words, it's more advantageous for CP to just sit back and wait for the legislation to be passed then negotiate from there. This Conservative government has actually caused the mail to stop and continues to promote a disincentive for Canada Post to come back to the table.You guys are a total buzzkill, btw. It's pretty sad when I'm sitting here drinking alone with CPCFTW. Quote
ToadBrother Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 Yeah, I always thought the NDP's goal is to buy more time for the parties to resolve their negotiations instead of having a settlement imposed on them. I think that's the Tories' goal as well. This bill could have been law by now if they had wanted it to be. Quote
Evening Star Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) I think that's the Tories' goal as well. This bill could have been law by now if they had wanted it to be. Well, yeah, they wouldn't ask questions after each speech and raise points of order if they didn't want to drag things out. They're filibustering their own bill! Cybercoma makes a good point though. Edited June 25, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
Evening Star Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 Btw, is there a live stream of this that is bilingual with no translators? Quote
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Posted June 25, 2011 More to the point, they're trying to paint the NDP as socialists, bent on destroying the economy by tying up legislation that would get the mail moving again. Meanwhile, Prime Minister Stephen Harper could call Deepak Chopra and end the lockout right now. CUPW workers would go back to work on a rotating strike, which would allow the mail to continue to be delivered. The Conservative caucus is dishonestly trying to blame the postal stoppage on the unions, when it was the Labour Minister and Canada Post that stopped the mail. She said, and I quote, "We will not table back to work legislation until the mail stops." Two days later, Deepak Chopra locked the doors and legislation was tabled that rolled back Canada Post's last offer. Clearly, the Conservative government and Canada Post have brought the postal system to a grinding halt, not the unions. Yet they continue, for over 40 hours now, to blame the union, employees and the NDP for this. In this way, they benefit by knowing the bill will be passed anyway, but they also get the opportunity to slander the NDP in the process. Quote
Triple M Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 Btw, is there a live stream of this that is bilingual with no translators? you could always switch your SAP on your tv to french when there is a french speaker and back to English when there is an English speaker. Quote
Evening Star Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 Very well put, cybercoma. Ugh, I can't stand Candace Hoeppner. Quote
Evening Star Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) I couldn't even find a French-language stream of the whole debate, actually. (I'm streaming. I don't have TV.) Edited June 25, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
eCitizen Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 Harper has changed the election funding landscape so that parties have no choice but to kowtow to their base for funding. He then tacitly backed the lockout and introduced legislation that would force the union to take less than it had already bargained out of management. What choice does the NDP have but to take radical action in defense of its traditional base? Quote
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