Canada Emerges as a Moral Leader by Standing Up for Israel

[Guest Derek L]

The Canadian whose name was on the passport?

Do you have proof that there was a real Canadian's name on said passports?

Funny, you claimed that I'd said the 'Jews control the media' yet theres nothing in that statement that that amounts to such a statement. I know you Cons are pretty poor at interpreting simple language, so I'll let this one slide.

Also,

http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States

Seriously, it's not as if this isn't common knowledge...

Wikipedia, really?

Regardless, you said “"The Jewish Lobby does indeed have a huge influence over western media."

From your link:

“Journalists described as pro-Israel by Mearsheimer and Walt include: the Washington Post’s Jim Hoagland, Robert Kagan, Charles Krauthammer and George Will; ; the Los Angeles Times’ Max Boot, Jonah Goldberg and Jonathan Chait; and the New York Times’ William Safire, A.M. Rosenthal, David Brooks, and Thomas Friedman (although they say that the latter is sometimes critical of certain areas of Israel policy).”

So these eleven journalists, control the debate and public discourse of Western media?

But, as I quoted from you above, you said there’s a huge influence over western media, so I’ll ask:

Who’s the head of Reuters?

The BBC?

Sky News?

CTV?

CBC?

SUN media group?

Fox News?

Al Jazeera?

Der Spiegel?

NHK?

Again, prove it.

As for the partisan jab, well JBG and I sit at opposite ends of the political spectrum, and though we might differ greatly on public policy, an Anti-Semite is an Anti-Semite regardless of political strip.

[jbg]

Do you have proof that there was a real Canadian's name on said passports?

As Cretch could well have said at the time he broke diplomatic relations between Canada and Israel (not sure if ever restored) "a proof is a proof". He in fact said that later.

[Guest Derek L]

As Cretch could well have said at the time he broke diplomatic relations between Canada and Israel (not sure if ever restored) "a proof is a proof". He in fact said that later.

Exactly, for all we know, the Mossad was loaned a Canadian passport, by a Canadian citizen……How many people were “created” during the cold war by the CIA, MI5/6 and KGB?

For what it’s worth, the 2000 LAX bomber had a forged Canadian passport….

[Saipan]

Are you trying to prove that being convicted of fraud is an asset?

Worked for Martha. I only proved he wouldn't be convicted in Canada. Else Chretien would get life.

[bloodyminded]

As for the partisan jab, well JBG and I sit at opposite ends of the political spectrum, and though we might differ greatly on public policy, an Anti-Semite is an Anti-Semite regardless of political strip.

And the weasley little tantrum-throwers who unfairly toss out the "anti-semite" slur at every opportunity belong in the same group as well, dredging through the sheen floating in the sewers.

[Guest Derek L]

And the weasley little tantrum-throwers who unfairly toss out the "anti-semite" slur at every opportunity belong in the same group as well, dredging through the sheen floating in the sewers.

I’m a strong believer in Godwin's law, but when one starts to tread into The Protocols of the Elders of Zion territory as a case against Israel, in his case Jewish media control/influence ……if the Roman sandal fits....

[Battletoads]

Do you have proof that there was a real Canadian's name on said passports?

Wikipedia, really?

Regardless, you said “"The Jewish Lobby does indeed have a huge influence over western media."

From your link:

“Journalists described as pro-Israel by Mearsheimer and Walt include: the Washington Post’s Jim Hoagland, Robert Kagan, Charles Krauthammer and George Will; ; the Los Angeles Times’ Max Boot, Jonah Goldberg and Jonathan Chait; and the New York Times’ William Safire, A.M. Rosenthal, David Brooks, and Thomas Friedman (although they say that the latter is sometimes critical of certain areas of Israel policy).”

So these eleven journalists, control the debate and public discourse of Western media?

But, as I quoted from you above, you said there’s a huge influence over western media, so I’ll ask:

Who’s the head of Reuters?

The BBC?

Sky News?

CTV?

CBC?

SUN media group?

Fox News?

Al Jazeera?

Der Spiegel?

NHK?

Again, prove it.

As for the partisan jab, well JBG and I sit at opposite ends of the political spectrum, and though we might differ greatly on public policy, an Anti-Semite is an Anti-Semite regardless of political strip.

If you think the media is controlled by journalists, you're sorely mistaken.

In addition, if you have any issues with the article or it's numerous sources, please point them out so that they may be corrected.

Edited June 9, 2011 by Battletoads

[Battletoads]

Battletoads, up till now I regarded you as a poster who I respected but usually disagree with. Now I regard you as an abject liar.

"Jews control the media"

and

"The Jewish lobby has a huge influence over western media"

are two very difference statements. I stated the latter, not the former. I don't see how pointing that out makes me a liar.

[Guest Derek L]

If you think the media is controlled by journalists, you're sorely mistaken.

I’d be grateful if you enlightened me with your insight……..Who is the man behind the curtain?

[Battletoads]

I’d be grateful if you enlightened me with your insight……..Who is the man behind the curtain?

You honestly can't think of anything that would influence the media outside of a journalists views?

and you Cons complain of the backroom dealings of the CBC all the time...

Edited June 9, 2011 by Battletoads

[M.Dancer]

You honestly can't think of anything that would influence the media outside of a journalists views?

The editors

[bloodyminded]

I’m a strong believer in Godwin's law, but when one starts to tread into The Protocols of the Elders of Zion territory as a case against Israel, in his case Jewish media control/influence ……if the Roman sandal fits....

Personally,I don't hold much truck with the Jewish-influence on the media thesis. (Even in media where Jewish people have held massive influence--say, early Hollywood--they clearly had no intense propaganda interest in Israel, making "Jewish influence" null as a political phenomenon.) I also think the US Israeli lobby's power is overstated, as I think evidence shows that the United States is the boss in that relationship, not Israel.

But neither do I think that remarks about Jewish influence in the media is anti-semitic.

Edited June 10, 2011 by bloodyminded

[Guest Derek L]

You honestly can't think of anything that would influence the media outside of a journalists views?

and you Cons complain of the backroom dealings of the CBC all the time...

Sure, but I want to hear Battletoads insight on the Jewish question.

[jbg]

Exactly, for all we know, the Mossad was loaned a Canadian passport, by a Canadian citizen……How many people were “created” during the cold war by the CIA, MI5/6 and KGB?

Or Operation Mincemeat in World War II.

[KeyStone]

Conrad black is going to lecture us about being a moral leader?

Seriously? That's funny. Maybe Scooter Libby can weigh in on this too.