CPCFTW Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) What the hell are you talking about? I'm not aware of "protestors" assaulting anyone during the entire duration of the G20. Every assault, and certainly every serious assault that I've seen reported was committed by police officers, almost entirely on innocent, law-abiding people. A couple of punks set a couple of empty police cars on fire. Big crying shame. That's hardly a reason for a police riot, or to excuse the police from roaming the streets and attacking people at random. "A couple of punks" also smashed every window in the downtown core and looted a bunch of shit and shut down businesses for the entire duration of the meeting. "A couple of punks" cost private businesses millions. Edited June 2, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
Scotty Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 "A couple of punks" also smashed every window in the downtown core and looted a bunch of shit and shut down businesses for the entire duration of the meeting. "A couple of punks" cost private businesses millions. No, police incompetence cost millions. The poor training, discipline, leadership and planning of the Toronto police cost millions. If they'd done their jobs there would have been minimal damages, but they were frightened and badly coordinated, so did nothing but watch until it was safe to attack people the next day. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
CPCFTW Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 No, police incompetence cost millions. The poor training, discipline, leadership and planning of the Toronto police cost millions. If they'd done their jobs there would have been minimal damages, but they were frightened and badly coordinated, so did nothing but watch until it was safe to attack people the next day. I never though of it like that. Damn those riot inciting police!!! Look at them, sitting on their horses and in their cop cars frightened and confused! They're just asking us to riot and loot! Quote
guyser Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 I never though of it like that. Be honest, its doesnt fit in w your agenda. Look at them, sitting on their horses and in their cop cars frightened and confused! I know, we are all wondering why they were such pussies. Quote
CPCFTW Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) I know, we are all wondering why they were such pussies. Not like those tough guys smashing those big burly windows giving you the corporate stink eye and then peeing yourselves, crying, and screaming human rights violation when you're arrested the next day. Edited June 2, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 "A couple of punks" also smashed every window in the downtown core and looted a bunch of shit and shut down businesses for the entire duration of the meeting. "A couple of punks" cost private businesses millions. And the innocent people who were swept up in police operations--ie by far the majority of those detained--are no more guilty of the vandalism than you are. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
CPCFTW Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 And the innocent people who were swept up in police operations--ie by far the majority of those detained--are no more guilty of the vandalism than you are. That's weird, I was never swept up... maybe because I was working rather than hanging out with hooligans. Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 That's weird, I was never swept up... maybe because I was working rather than hanging out with hooligans. Being at a protest, particularly a large-scale one, doesn't mean "hanging out with hooligans." You simply don't care that innocent bystanders get harrassed and detained, because of your political views. If you don't believe in the rights of those with whom you disagree, you simply don't believe in them at all. Period. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
CPCFTW Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Being at a protest, particularly a large-scale one, doesn't mean "hanging out with hooligans." You simply don't care that innocent bystanders get harrassed and detained, because of your political views. If you don't believe in the rights of those with whom you disagree, you simply don't believe in them at all. Period. I believe that if you associate yourself with people breaking the law, then you're liable to be caught up in it. I won't be losing sleep that someone who may have been protesting peacefully was unjustly detained for a day. Not like they were doing anything productive with their time anyway. Everything's a human rights violation these days... "What a parking ticket?!?! I'm calling the UN!!!" If I followed bank robbers around watching them rob banks and cheering them on, I wouldn't be surprised if I was detained by police for questioning. Edited June 2, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
GostHacked Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Posted June 2, 2011 Being at a protest, particularly a large-scale one, doesn't mean "hanging out with hooligans." You simply don't care that innocent bystanders get harrassed and detained, because of your political views. If you don't believe in the rights of those with whom you disagree, you simply don't believe in them at all. Period. There were many in that one park that were arrested as well. That park was a designated 'free speach zone' or somethign similar. And yet the cops came in and busted that up too. There were the protestors that were corralled at the one intersection the day after the 'riots'. The cops saying LEAVE .. but not giving them a chance to actually leave or go anywhere. They were completely surrounded and many from that group were detained. All of those detained were detained illegaly. We are going to lose the right to protest because the establishment does not want to hear what the people have to say anymore. It does not fit in their world view as you point out. And really, what are we to expect with a username like CPCFTW. Gotta be some Harper shill. Quote
GostHacked Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Posted June 2, 2011 I believe that if you associate yourself with people breaking the law, then you're liable to be caught up in it. Guess I should stop hanging around cops then. Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) I believe that if you associate yourself with people breaking the law, then you're liable to be caught up in it. I won't be losing sleep that someone who may have been protesting peacefully was unjustly detained for a day. I know you're not. Unless they're politically to the Right. How do you feel about Mark Steyn having to answer to the Human Rights Council for insulting Muslims? No big deal? Then we disagree. Not like they were doing anything productive with their time anyway. Then you wouldn't object to being detained for sitting there typing political opinions on an anonymous forum. Not like you're doing anything productive anyway. Everything's a human rights violation these days... "What a parking ticket?!?! I'm calling the UN!!!" Arbitrary detention is a legal violation. Except to sycophants who worship Power. If I followed bank robbers around watching them rob banks and cheering them on, I wouldn't be surprised if I was detained by police for questioning. But if you debated someobody without promiscuously tossing about non-sequiters and analogies irrelevant to the discussion, I imagine that would surpise you greatly. Edited June 2, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
CPCFTW Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) But if you debated someobody without promiscuously tossing about non-sequiters and analogies irrelevant to the discussion, I imagine that would surpise you greatly. Fine. If I followed the bank robbers around while cheering them on, and also chanting anti-bank slogans, waving hyperbolic anti-bank signs around, and singing kumbaya, I wouldn't be surprised if I was detained for questioning. Is that a better analogy? Edited June 2, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
guyser Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Not like those tough guys smashing those big burly windows giving you the corporate stink eye and then peeing yourselves, crying, and screaming human rights violation when you're arrested the next day. You truly do like showing what an ignorant ass you are dont you? Enjoy. Quote
CPCFTW Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) You truly do like showing what an ignorant ass you are dont you? Enjoy. Ah name-calling... The last refuge of the defeated. Edited June 2, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
Sandy MacNab Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 What the hell are you talking about? I'm not aware of "protestors" assaulting anyone during the entire duration of the G20. Every assault, and certainly every serious assault that I've seen reported was committed by police officers, almost entirely on innocent, law-abiding people. A couple of punks set a couple of empty police cars on fire. Big crying shame. That's hardly a reason for a police riot, or to excuse the police from roaming the streets and attacking people at random. Yes, the police should have been much more selective. Anyone seen tossing a rock through a shop window or setting a police car on fire should have been shot on the spot. With cameras on their weapons, the cops would have had all the proof they'd require before firing. Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Fine. If I followed the bank robbers around while cheering them on, and also chanting anti-bank slogans, waving hyperbolic anti-bank signs around, and singing kumbaya, I wouldn't be surprised if I was detained for questioning. Is that a better analogy? What is it about the harmless, virtually-disappeared, religious ditty, "Kumbaya" that elicits such scorn from religious conservatives? The only time one ever hears it is when it's spoken with derision about some non-existent flower-children. Seriously, when's the last time you heard people singing that trite little tune? Do you folks ever get tired of plagiarizing one another with shop-worn, stock insults that don't even rise to the level of touching a nerve? Edited June 2, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bloodyminded Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Yes, the police should have been much more selective. Anyone seen tossing a rock through a shop window or setting a police car on fire should have been shot on the spot. With cameras on their weapons, the cops would have had all the proof they'd require before firing. With cameras on their weapons, it wouldn't be difficult to prosecute those officers for murder, which would be appropriate. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
GostHacked Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Posted June 2, 2011 Ah name-calling... The last refuge of the defeated. You were beat before the thread was even created. We've been talking about the G8/G20 summit in various thread so far. You are the perfect person to ask this question : If you were living in a police state, would you even notice? At least others are standing up for your rights even though you are more happy to sit on the sidelines and not take part in something called democracy. Your types laugh like it's no big deal until you become a victim of the system you are defending. Then all of a sudden you are pissed about it. Quote
CPCFTW Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) You were beat before the thread was even created. We've been talking about the G8/G20 summit in various thread so far. You are the perfect person to ask this question : If you were living in a police state, would you even notice? At least others are standing up for your rights even though you are more happy to sit on the sidelines and not take part in something called democracy. Your types laugh like it's no big deal until you become a victim of the system you are defending. Then all of a sudden you are pissed about it. Ooooh scary.... Where can I order my tin foil hat? I'm pretty sure I took part in democracy when I was one of the 40% of Canadians who voted for another term for this police state. Edited June 2, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
Sandy MacNab Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 What is it about the harmless, virtually-disappeared, religious ditty, "Kumbaya" that elicits such scorn from religious conservatives? The only time one ever hears it is when it's spoken with derision about some non-existent flower-children. Seriously, when's the last time you heard people singing that trite little tune? Do you folks ever get tired of plagiarizing one another with shop-worn, stock insults that don't even rise to the level of touching a nerve? Hey, I'm not religious. But, I do believe those seen breaking windows, looting, setting fire to police cars - y'know, scum of the earth and that sort - should have been shot on sight. Quote
guyser Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Ah name-calling... The last refuge of the defeated. I assure you there is no defeat here. You lost the moment you put your ignorant opinion on display. Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Hey, I'm not religious. But, I do believe those seen breaking windows, looting, setting fire to police cars - y'know, scum of the earth and that sort - should have been shot on sight. Then you should lobby for Canada to make its laws the most draconian, police-state laws in the Western world. Since that's what you're advocating. My prediction is that your lobbying efforts will fail spectacularly. Thanks to the majority of us being civilized. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
guyser Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Hey, I'm not religious. But, I do believe those seen breaking windows, looting, setting fire to police cars - y'know, scum of the earth and that sort - should have been shot on sight. So... breaking a window = death. looting = death setting a cop car on fire = death. Gotcha. Sometimes we mistake things on this forum as serious , for a second there I thought maybe you were serious. Good thing you weren't. Quote
CPCFTW Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Then you should lobby for Canada to make its laws the most draconian, police-state laws in the Western world. Since that's what you're advocating. My prediction is that your lobbying efforts will fail spectacularly. Thanks to the majority of us being civilized. Shooting them on sight would be way too harsh, and calling them freedom fighters is equally absurd, I think a reasonable compromise to keep the peace would have been to physically detain some of the protesters for a day or two, and then release them if no charges could be laid. Quote
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