The right to vote

mikedavid00 · April 28, 2011

My oldest is voting in her first election next Monday, and was quite thrilled to get her voters card.

AND GEEE..

I WONDER WHO SHE'S GOING TO BE VOTING FOR????????

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...

(this is why I don't believe kids should be voting or even young people).

ToadBrother · April 28, 2011

AND GEEE..

I WONDER WHO SHE'S GOING TO BE VOTING FOR????????

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...

I have no idea. We discuss politics, we don't force our kids' hands. She hasn't volunteered it and, as a citizen of this country, equal in every respect to say, you, she doesn't owe me or anyone that information.

(this is why I don't believe kids should be voting or even young people).

I'm beginning to think of some other criteria for voters...

Edited April 28, 2011 by ToadBrother

Mr.Canada · April 28, 2011

My wife and I have since our kids were very young instilled in them the importance of voting, that it isn't just a right, it is a duty of a citizen in a democracy to cast their ballot. My oldest is voting in her first election next Monday, and was quite thrilled to get her voters card.

That's excellent news TB, you've set your kids up for a long life of voting regularly. It matter not who people vote for really but that they do indeed vote. My comment wasn't directed at anyone just a general comment.

guyser · April 28, 2011

Our children must be taught from an early age that voting is important at home with the parents.

Its probably better ...er more important for them to go to a voting station to do that....doncha think?

guyser · April 28, 2011

well, I've been paying taxes for 30 years. I rather doubt some 20 hr old in college can claim that.

Whoop de doo! You paid taxes, who hasnt? Even the 20 yr old pays taxes.

You want voter disenfranchisement? Knock yourself out and welcome to 1800's when it was outlawed south of us.

guyser · April 28, 2011

Okay, this is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

ohhhhh....stick around, I think his act moves to the main stage soon. Bigger larfs , better bon mots.

And for anyone thinking he is a troll, uh nope, mikey believes what he writes , but I will tell you it looks better in his original crayon.

Pray for rain pray for rain.....

cybercoma · April 28, 2011

Mike,

Given your complete and utter disdain for higher education, I'm curious. Did you go to university? It's rhetorical question. You don't actually have to answer that. I just find it funny that you think everyone in universities are a bunch of idiots.

ToadBrother · April 28, 2011

Mike,

Given your complete and utter disdain for higher education, I'm curious. Did you go to university? It's rhetorical question. You don't actually have to answer that. I just find it funny that you think everyone in universities are a bunch of idiots.

A fool usually sees nothing but fools.

Bonam · April 28, 2011

well, I've been paying taxes for 30 years. I rather doubt some 20 hr old in college can claim that.

Yeah, and where does it say you need to have paid taxes for 30 years to be able to vote, exactly? You paying taxes has not been in any way "earning" a right to vote. You earned that right by being a Canadian citizen and turning 18 years old. Modern democracy is based on one person -> one vote. If you want your money to buy you votes instead of your personhood, buy shares in a corporation.

ToadBrother · April 28, 2011

Yeah, and where does it say you need to have paid taxes for 30 years to be able to vote, exactly? You paying taxes has not been in any way "earning" a right to vote. You earned that right by being a Canadian citizen and turning 18 years old. Modern democracy is based on one person -> one vote. If you want your money to buy you votes instead of your personhood, buy shares in a corporation.

I'm blown away by some of the posters here. We're having debates over voters rights issues that were put to bed a century or more ago. I mean, what's next, a debate on the legitimacy of women's suffrage?

mikedavid00 · April 28, 2011

well, I've been paying taxes for 30 years.

And I honestly tip my hat to you.

I honestly believe that you should have a greater say, or more weight than just the average voter. I've been paying taxes myself since 11 years old as a paper boy. And I've been an above average contributor for the last 6 years. But there's no way I have 30 years behind me.

I believe you should have more say in your vote than mine as you have funded the system much longer than I have. You've paid a lot more into the system than I have and should be recognized for that in a weighting of your vote.

Maybe a new voter (5 years of tax contribution) gets 1 vote.

5-15 gets 1.5

15-30 gets 2

30 and up gets 3 (as I'm sure it's rare people make it this far).

Everyone else can go piss off. They get no vote on how the money is spent. They can vote on gay marriage and such.

That would change the country for the better on almost every policy we have.

cybercoma · April 29, 2011

You're out of your mind. Someone with 30 years experience flipping burgers part time gets a bigger say than someone that has run a multi-million dollar corporation for 15 years?

Piss off. My vote should be equal to my financial worth.

mikedavid00 · April 29, 2011

You're out of your mind. Someone with 30 years experience flipping burgers part time gets a bigger say than someone that has run a multi-million dollar corporation for 15 years?

Piss off. My vote should be equal to my financial worth.

That goes without saying.

Most people fit into a 'general category' of income so it wouldn't be worth squabbling over 0.003% of the population that are rich.

Or maybe it just over-complicates the matter.

Most people don't work their whole lives in minimum wage flipping burgers btw.

cybercoma · April 29, 2011

Most nothing. Some do go from minimum wage job to minimum wage job never doing anything to improve themselves. I don't want those people to have a vote equal to mine. They're unambitious free-loading scum.

ToadBrother · April 29, 2011

That would change the country for the better on almost every policy we have.

Which is why it was dumped in the 19th century.

Edited April 29, 2011 by ToadBrother

kimmy · April 29, 2011

*MY HOUSEHOLD* is a tax contributing household. I just did my taxes and owe the gov't $6,200.

Wow, how time flies. It seems like just last year you were crying to everyone who would listen about how you couldn't get a job because the immigrants took all the good jobs.

Wait, that WAS just last year. And the year before, and the year before that.

Now that you're a bigtime tax payer, you can start making up for all the money you mooched off the system in your layabout years.

-k

ToadBrother · April 29, 2011

Wow, how time flies. It seems like just last year you were crying to everyone who would listen about how you couldn't get a job because the immigrants took all the good jobs.

Wait, that WAS just last year. And the year before, and the year before that.

Now that you're a bigtime tax payer, you can start making up for all the money you mooched off the system in your layabout years.

-k

He said *his household*. He's probably mooching of his wife and kids. Maybe we should have a "Useless Ass Husband" Tax Credit.

Edited April 29, 2011 by ToadBrother

kimmy · April 29, 2011

By the way, I'm appalled at the idea of preventing young people from voting.

Who was it who wrecked the country again?

If you're old enough to have voted in an election that resulted in Mulroney or Trudeau becoming Prime Minister, *YOU* should have your right to vote removed. You had your chance, you used your right to vote, and look how that turned out. Sorry, old people you screwed up. Bigtime. And to prevent you jackasses from bollocking the country even worse the next time some politician comes along promising deluxe elder care or some useless crap like that, we need to prevent you people from voting.

When I run for office, disenfranchising voters born 1970 and earlier will be a central plank in my platform (which I've tentatively dubbed "The Soylent Green Shift"). It's just the first step toward creating the utopian future portrayed in movies like "Logan's Run".

I hope I can count on your support. Thanks.

-k

{"The Soylent Green Shift is about People!"}

Bonam · April 29, 2011

By the way, I'm appalled at the idea of preventing young people from voting.

Who was it who wrecked the country again?

If you're old enough to have voted in an election that resulted in Mulroney or Trudeau becoming Prime Minister, *YOU* should have your right to vote removed. You had your chance, you used your right to vote, and look how that turned out. Sorry, old people you screwed up. Bigtime. And to prevent you jackasses from bollocking the country even worse the next time some politician comes along promising deluxe elder care or some useless crap like that, we need to prevent you people from voting.

When I run for office, disenfranchising voters born 1970 and earlier will be a central plank in my platform (which I've tentatively dubbed "The Soylent Green Shift"). It's just the first step toward creating the utopian future portrayed in movies like "Logan's Run".

I hope I can count on your support. Thanks.

-k

{"The Soylent Green Shift is about People!"}

You have my vote.

ToadBrother · April 29, 2011

By the way, I'm appalled at the idea of preventing young people from voting.

I'm appalled at the notion that any citizen of this country being denied the vote because they don't meet the arbitrary standards of some trolling layabout.

April 29, 2011

By the way, I'm appalled at the idea of preventing young people from voting.

Who was it who wrecked the country again?

If you're old enough to have voted in an election that resulted in Mulroney or Trudeau becoming Prime Minister, *YOU* should have your right to vote removed. You had your chance, you used your right to vote, and look how that turned out. Sorry, old people you screwed up. Bigtime. And to prevent you jackasses from bollocking the country even worse the next time some politician comes along promising deluxe elder care or some useless crap like that, we need to prevent you people from voting.

When I run for office, disenfranchising voters born 1970 and earlier will be a central plank in my platform (which I've tentatively dubbed "The Soylent Green Shift"). It's just the first step toward creating the utopian future portrayed in movies like "Logan's Run".

I hope I can count on your support. Thanks.

-k

{"The Soylent Green Shift is about People!"}

How could someone born after 1970 remember those movies?

KeyStone · April 29, 2011

Rather than an age factor, I have often thought that some type of awareness test has to be written for each election, and you need to pass in order to get a ballot. The problems are that it is a system very prone to abuse, like in the US south in past years, and turnouts are low enough already, this would probably make them even lower. But people voting for him/her just because some ass/asset looks good on TV is what got us Trudeau and the US, Kennedy.

Or even worse, a bunch of complete idiots vote for their favorite actors from the movies.

cybercoma · April 29, 2011

When I run for office, disenfranchising voters born 1970 and earlier will be a central plank in my platform (which I've tentatively dubbed "The Soylent Green Shift").
-k

{"The Soylent Green Shift is about People!"}

This is change I can get behind! :lol:

cybercoma · April 29, 2011

How could someone born after 1970 remember those movies?

Netflix? :huh:

Nonpartisanindv · April 29, 2011

Amazing, I love this forum. Thanks for all of the feedback. I have to agree that not letting youth vote would be a big mistake! That's like a CEO saying we should not implement new products/ideas into our company. I think it's a bit over the top to say that the baby boomers have ruined the NA economy but perhaps it's not far off.

I was talking about low voter turn out to my friends last night and they forwarded me a few of these websites that are geared toward mobilizing voters... I've been impressed with the self-less Non-partisan mission of a lot of them http://www.likemypm.ca/ ... http://leadnow.ca/en/vote-mobs ... http://www.votesocial.ca/ I don't know if I've been this excited for an election before! Should be interesting.