Scotty Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 Iv never seen any evidence at all that heavy sentences act as a deterent for murderers and other ultra violent criminals. I don't care if it acts as a deterrent. If they're in there, then they're not out here - with me. So keep them in there as long as possible, preferably permanently. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 And yet some even prefer gaol, compared to living under a bridge. Three squares a day, a TV, a gym. What's not to like? Compared to hopeless vagrancy. Which is an indication jail is too soft. We need hard labour to make things more unpleasant in there. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 Clearly we have a monumental gulf in worldview, here. It could scarcely be larger. I value my life. I spend a considerable amount of my life working in order to support myself and buy things. Some punk coming in and stealing those things is, in effect, stealing all the hard work and time I put into getting that stuff. Now I'm not saying shooting the guy should be a first response, but certainly a nice solid whipping would be a proper way for society to deal with thieves. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
bloodyminded Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 I value my life. I spend a considerable amount of my life working in order to support myself and buy things. Some punk coming in and stealing those things is, in effect, stealing all the hard work and time I put into getting that stuff. Now I'm not saying shooting the guy should be a first response, but certainly a nice solid whipping would be a proper way for society to deal with thieves. I disagree with the lashing idea, but that wasn't the argument to which I responded anyway. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
capricorn Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 And yet some even prefer gaol, compared to living under a bridge. Three squares a day, a TV, a gym. What's not to like? Compared to hopeless vagrancy. Although I can't provide a source, I think some homeless people commit petty crimes just to be caught and incarcerated for a short period. Here's a true story. My sister was waiting for a bus on her way to work. A shabby looking middle aged male suddenly lunged at her from behind. He clutched at her knocking her off balance. Needless to say my sister was terrified, not knowing what he would do next or whether he was armed. A police cruiser happened to be going by and saw the incident. An officer intervened and the male was put in the cruise. A statement was taken from my sister. The cop told her the individual was known to them and his only intent was to attract the cops to bring him in to the local jail. The aggressor must have seen the cop beforehand and staged the whole thing to draw their attention. The guy got what he wished, which is probably as you say Sir B, a meal and a roof over his head at least for a night. But in the process my sister was traumatized for quite a while following that incident and her trust in strangers has diminished considerably. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
charter.rights Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 All the bleeding hearts here should take all those poor criminals into their own homes if they feel so sorry for them. Better yet we will pass a law that people like you have to take them into your home and feed and cloth them. Then maybe you'll get it, that prisoners are human beings and the majority have simply made mistakes. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
scouterjim Posted April 16, 2011 Report Posted April 16, 2011 Better yet we will pass a law that people like you have to take them into your home and feed and cloth them. Then maybe you'll get it, that prisoners are human beings and the majority have simply made mistakes. Fine. They made a mistake, so now they pay for it. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
Scotty Posted April 17, 2011 Report Posted April 17, 2011 Better yet we will pass a law that people like you have to take them into your home and feed and cloth them. Then maybe you'll get it, that prisoners are human beings and the majority have simply made mistakes. Breaking into someone's home and stealing their stuff is not a "mistake", especially when you do it, twenty seven times, get arrested, go to jail, get out early, and do it another twenty four times before being arrested again. That's not a mistake, that's your chosen career. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
dre Posted April 17, 2011 Report Posted April 17, 2011 I value my life. I spend a considerable amount of my life working in order to support myself and buy things. Some punk coming in and stealing those things is, in effect, stealing all the hard work and time I put into getting that stuff. Now I'm not saying shooting the guy should be a first response, but certainly a nice solid whipping would be a proper way for society to deal with thieves. preferably permanently Now I'm not saying shooting the guy should be a first response, but certainly a nice solid whipping would be a proper way for society to deal with thieves. Spend some time living in a country that handles crime in that manner. Youll change your mind pretty damn fast... if you even survive more than a few weeks. Corporal/Capital punishment and permanent incarceration for theives are quite frankly just STUPID IDEAS that have been tried lots of times but never worked. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bloodyminded Posted April 17, 2011 Report Posted April 17, 2011 (edited) Spend some time living in a country that handles crime in that manner. Youll change your mind pretty damn fast... if you even survive more than a few weeks. Corporal/Capital punishment and permanent incarceration for theives are quite frankly just STUPID IDEAS that have been tried lots of times but never worked. Furthermore, there's the irritant that we're talking about human beings, not demons to be banished from the light. Edited April 17, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Scotty Posted April 17, 2011 Report Posted April 17, 2011 Spend some time living in a country that handles crime in that manner. Youll change your mind pretty damn fast... if you even survive more than a few weeks. Corporal/Capital punishment and permanent incarceration for theives are quite frankly just STUPID IDEAS that have been tried lots of times but never worked. The crime rate in Singapore is one of the lowest in the world.[1] Wiki Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 17, 2011 Report Posted April 17, 2011 Furthermore, there's the irritant that we're talking about human beings, not demons to be banished from the light. If we're talking about a guy who does nothing but burgle homes and businesses I say banish him. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
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