scouterjim Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 This must be driving the "FRY HIM!" types crazy in Texas. Apparently, his legal help wasn't very good during his trial, and the prison officials violated procedure by releasing some information. I am adamantley against the death penalty (except for terrorist acts and treason). http://ca.news.yahoo.com/condemned-texas-prisoner-set-die-tuesday-evening-gets-20110405-082811-500.html Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
ToadBrother Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) ...I am adamantley against the death penalty (except for terrorist acts and treason). So, in other words, you're not adamantly against the death penalty, you're just moderately against it. I can understand the exception for terrorism, but why treason and not first degree murder? Edited April 5, 2011 by ToadBrother Quote
scouterjim Posted April 5, 2011 Author Report Posted April 5, 2011 So, in other words, you're not adamantly against the death penalty, you're just moderately against it. I can understand the exception for terrorism, but why treason and not first degree murder? I am all for life for murder, but treason endangers the whole country. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
Oleg Bach Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 This must be driving the "FRY HIM!" types crazy in Texas. Apparently, his legal help wasn't very good during his trial, and the prison officials violated procedure by releasing some information. I am adamantley against the death penalty (except for terrorist acts and treason). http://ca.news.yahoo.com/condemned-texas-prisoner-set-die-tuesday-evening-gets-20110405-082811-500.html No killing of villians - just containment of evil will do - those that like the death penality can not be trusted...they are savages on the inside. Quote
Scotty Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 This must be driving the "FRY HIM!" types crazy in Texas. Apparently, his legal help wasn't very good during his trial, and the prison officials violated procedure by releasing some information. I am adamantley against the death penalty (except for terrorist acts and treason). http://ca.news.yahoo.com/condemned-texas-prisoner-set-die-tuesday-evening-gets-20110405-082811-500.html Really? Even for those two scumbag teenagers in BC? According to reports they are psychopaths who have little chance of rehabilitation. That means we'll be paying to lock these two vermin up for the next forty to sixty years. And as there isn't the slightest doubt of their guilt, I'm willing to allow them both to be hanged - slowly. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
ToadBrother Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Really? Even for those two scumbag teenagers in BC? According to reports they are psychopaths who have little chance of rehabilitation. That means we'll be paying to lock these two vermin up for the next forty to sixty years. And as there isn't the slightest doubt of their guilt, I'm willing to allow them both to be hanged - slowly. Unless some parole board lets them out in ten years. I'm still not an advocate of the death penalty, unless rules are put in place that put the cops, the Crown prosecutors, the judge and the jury in front of a firing squad within twelve hours of exoneration of anyone put to death. Instead I advocate an actual life sentence, permanent incarceration without even the faintest hope of release. These inmates receive no education or rehabilitation and no pay of any kind, which should save a few bucks. Quote
bloodyminded Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Instead I advocate an actual life sentence, permanent incarceration without even the faintest hope of release. These inmates receive no education or rehabilitation and no pay of any kind, which should save a few bucks. Exactly. The argument seems often to be "Well, they sometimes get out way too quickly" (a premise which seems to be quite a good one, actually)...but how is this an argument for the death penalty? It's an argument for life (I mean actual "life") without the possibility of parole. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Oleg Bach Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Personal crimes of passion might be acceptable. For instance - someone kills one of your offspring - or mate...and you in a rage kill them - that is almost exceptable..but for the state to have a collective rage and execute a murderer as IF the victim was one of their personal family members - smacks of hypocracty! The state really does no care on a personal level about the victim..who is the victim to them? Those who uphold the idea of capital punishement and are supposedly outraged by horrific crimes...are really similar to the perpetrators..they both have the killer gene. Now in the alternative IF someone rapes and murders my child - I should have the right to turn that man into a woman...a dysfunctional and unhappy sort of mimic of a girl...It would not be a murder it would be a mild phyiscal adjustment that would ensure no further evil actions of that sort. Quote
scouterjim Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Posted April 6, 2011 Really? Even for those two scumbag teenagers in BC? According to reports they are psychopaths who have little chance of rehabilitation. That means we'll be paying to lock these two vermin up for the next forty to sixty years. And as there isn't the slightest doubt of their guilt, I'm willing to allow them both to be hanged - slowly. So, we execute because of a mental problem? That is what psycopathy is. Start there, then we can move on to Down's Syndrome patients (no cure there), and other mental issues. It is a slippery slope you are advocating. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
ToadBrother Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 So, we execute because of a mental problem? That is what psycopathy is. Start there, then we can move on to Down's Syndrome patients (no cure there), and other mental issues. It is a slippery slope you are advocating. The whole premise of your analogy is flawed here. First of all, I know of no evidence that suggests people with Downs Syndrome or more likely to commit violent crimes, so I have no idea what your argument is on that front. Psychopaths are still capable of telling right from wrong, of knowing that their violent or anti-social acts are wrong, so they can't use the "We're mentally defective so not at fault" legal argument, because legally, as horrific and insane as some of their acts may be (and not all psychopaths, I may add, in fact turn into murders), they are still legally sane. Counter this, with say, Vince Li, the guy that killed that poor bugger on the Greyhound Bus (and "killed" doesn't seem adequate to describe what he did). In that case you have a clear example of a schizophrenic in the complete throes of his delusions, incapable of knowing right from wrong, of recognizing at the time of the murder that what he was doing was criminal. He didn't seem to be come aware of it until he was in custody, likely now being given the appropriate medications to moderate his schizophrenia, and at the point he became suicidal, which seems as good a sign of a remorseful individual as possible. I have absolutely no problem with those two monsters in Victoria never seeing the light of day again. They weren't suffering some sort of a controllable mental illness, they were psychopaths who lured a young woman into a violent death, with clear premeditation, and by all accounts knew what they were doing was wrong, but have shown little evidence of remorse. There should be no faint hope, no parole board hearings in ten years. There should a true life sentence. In the off chance that the cops and the Crown got it wrong, we can at least partially restore a man to his liberty and make some reparation for the false imprisonment (which is my chief concern with the death penalty, get it wrong, and there's no reparation). But psychopaths are not mentally ill or deficient in the way that a schizophrenic or someone with Downs Syndrome is. When such individuals commit crimes, diminished capacity or legal insanity are appropriate defenses and appropriate conditions to discuss in sentencing. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 This must be driving the "FRY HIM!" types crazy in Texas. Apparently, his legal help wasn't very good during his trial, and the prison officials violated procedure by releasing some information. I am adamantley against the death penalty (except for terrorist acts and treason). Why? You think people charged with terrorist acts and treason never get legal help that wasn't very good during their trial? You think there can't be a wrongful conviction for acts of terrorism and treason? Quote
ToadBrother Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Why? You think people charged with terrorist acts and treason never get legal help that wasn't very good during their trial? You think there can't be a wrongful conviction for acts of terrorism and treason? Indeed. His objection seems more to be with the infamy of the crime the individual was convicted of than with any particular objection to the death penalty. It's a clear double standard. Quote
Bob Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 I am all for life for murder, but treason endangers the whole country. Depends on the treason. Treason A isn't necessarily the same as Treason B. It depends what was done. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
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