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Is it anti-immigrant sentiment? Many Mexicans are legal immigrants and no one is calling for them to go back to Mexico. I think legal immigrants and those trying to legally immigrate are also against illegal immigration. Illegal immigration has ties to drug cartels and other criminal activities as well.

They are trying to make the citizenship process more difficult, including violating one of the constitutional amendments that guaranteed citizenship for children born in the U.S.

The issue isn't just about cheap labour. Obama, by not addressing the employment problem is making it difficult for "illegal" immigrants to find "honest" work these days. So they aren't coming over as much for the jobs.

This issue is about the strange dichotomy of wealthier Republicans wanting cheap illegal immigrant labourers to provide services, including working on their farms and sweatshops, but becoming uneasy about their growing presence in the Southwest. Republican anti-immigration policies are a sham, designed to force illegals further underground, where they can be even more exploited and abused by their Republican overlords.

And, don't try to hide behind the fact that Obama and the other Democrats don't have the guts to stick their necks out on this issue. Most of the reasons why there was a growth in illegals can be connected to the removal of guest worker programs. Most Mexicans and other Latin Americans are not interested in moving to the U.S.. Thousands, possibly millions of Mexicans were forced off their farms by NAFTA and the flood of cheap agribusiness products across the border. Now, many of them are working as itinerant labourers on these same damn farms. Most, just want to work through the growing season for money, and then go back home for a few months; but the fences and increased border patrols keep them in the U.S., and working for minimum pay in the underground labour market that has become the equivalent of slave labour.

Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist.

-- Kenneth Boulding,

1973

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And what, the criminal element wasn't there in the 19th and early 20th century? Ever heard of the Irish Mob, or even more spectacularly the Mafia, with its deep and still strong connections to the Sicilian and Italian criminal syndicates? These were in fact major factors in the anti-immigrant sentiments of that time, despite the fact that, as with legal and illegal Mexican immigrants today, the criminal element was only a small part of the whole.

Like I said, this has all been thrashed out before. There is nothing new under the sun here.

There is always a criminal element in any society and an anti-immigrant sentiment can probably be found at point in any countrys history. We are talking about illegal immigration. I don't remember it being a problem in the 19th and early 20th century with the Irish mob or the Mafia.

What's new is trying to obfuscate and ignore any distinction between illegal and legal immigration.

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They are trying to make the citizenship process more difficult, including violating one of the constitutional amendments that guaranteed citizenship for children born in the U.S.

They are not violating one of the constitutional amendments but do wish to revisit it's constitutionality.

This issue is about the strange dichotomy of wealthier Republicans wanting cheap illegal immigrant labourers to provide services, including working on their farms and sweatshops, but becoming uneasy about their growing presence in the Southwest. Republican anti-immigration policies are a sham, designed to force illegals further underground, where they can be even more exploited and abused by their Republican overlords.

Whoa...wealthy Republicans who wish to exploit and abuse illegals. That's what this is all about?

And, don't try to hide behind the fact that Obama and the other Democrats don't have the guts to stick their necks out on this issue. Most of the reasons why there was a growth in illegals can be connected to the removal of guest worker programs. Most Mexicans and other Latin Americans are not interested in moving to the U.S.. Thousands, possibly millions of Mexicans were forced off their farms by NAFTA and the flood of cheap agribusiness products across the border. Now, many of them are working as itinerant labourers on these same damn farms. Most, just want to work through the growing season for money, and then go back home for a few months; but the fences and increased border patrols keep them in the U.S., and working for minimum pay in the underground labour market that has become the equivalent of slave labour.

Whoa...a return to slavery. That's what NAFTA and the Republicans are all about?

It gets curiouser and curiouser.

Would Democrats like to see an amnesty?

I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.

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