msdogfood Posted August 4, 2010 Report Posted August 4, 2010 Hello Is there any public record of large donors such as companies to political parties? If you tell me to look at the Elections Canada webpage I have already been there. It looks like they have a database but I'm not sure how to use it. It is not the most intuitive database I have ever met. Although I am interested in all large contributions to political parties, at the moment I am interested in specifically finding out if there have been any large donations to the Conservative Party of Canada on behalf of the defence industry. I am mostly interested in Lockheed Martin as it may go to partly explain why they were the single source contract for the new fighter jets to replace the CF18's. If I recall correctly, there was a maintenance contract that was exclusively sourced to Boeing in 2006 to refurbish and upgrade the current CF18's. If that's true, why replace with new Lockheed equipment except for quid pro quo agreements? I need links and background. Thanks Quote
Bonam Posted August 4, 2010 Report Posted August 4, 2010 Hello Is there any public record of large donors such as companies to political parties? If you tell me to look at the Elections Canada webpage I have already been there. It looks like they have a database but I'm not sure how to use it. It is not the most intuitive database I have ever met. Although I am interested in all large contributions to political parties, at the moment I am interested in specifically finding out if there have been any large donations to the Conservative Party of Canada on behalf of the defence industry. I am mostly interested in Lockheed Martin as it may go to partly explain why they were the single source contract for the new fighter jets to replace the CF18's. If I recall correctly, there was a maintenance contract that was exclusively sourced to Boeing in 2006 to refurbish and upgrade the current CF18's. If that's true, why replace with new Lockheed equipment except for quid pro quo agreements? I need links and background. Thanks Seriously? Another thread on the planes and the so called "single source contract"? LM promised Canadian industry the chance to bid on tens of billions dollars of worth of contracts for the construction and maintenance of F35s. And Canadian industry is probably happy about that and probably supports the conservative party more than the liberal party. Nothing new to see here really. The F-18 maintenance contract went to Boeing because Boeing is the company that makes the F-18s, duh. Quote
Smallc Posted August 4, 2010 Report Posted August 4, 2010 It isn't possible to make large donations. Quote
Wild Bill Posted August 4, 2010 Report Posted August 4, 2010 Hello Is there any public record of large donors such as companies to political parties? If you tell me to look at the Elections Canada webpage I have already been there. It looks like they have a database but I'm not sure how to use it. It is not the most intuitive database I have ever met. Although I am interested in all large contributions to political parties, at the moment I am interested in specifically finding out if there have been any large donations to the Conservative Party of Canada on behalf of the defence industry. I am mostly interested in Lockheed Martin as it may go to partly explain why they were the single source contract for the new fighter jets to replace the CF18's. If I recall correctly, there was a maintenance contract that was exclusively sourced to Boeing in 2006 to refurbish and upgrade the current CF18's. If that's true, why replace with new Lockheed equipment except for quid pro quo agreements? I need links and background. Thanks Dunno about a useful list but it may not tell you what you want to know anyway. You have to consider that we had already made an investment in the early design stages of the F-35, under a previous Liberal government. So we had already put money in the pot and the F-35 was chosen as the best fit for our defence roles. Since only Lockheed Martin makes the F-35, no competitive bid was possible. That leaves arguing if the F-35 was indeed the best choice. You have an argument about open bidding and also if there was a better choice. Any other aircraft would probably have been sole source as well. Things kinda become a dog's breakfast. It would be much clearer if the choice of aircraft was left open and we dealt only with initial bids, assuming that all bidders would be offering a suitable choice for our military. That didn't happen. Our government made the choice of aircraft first and that forced a sole source contract. It's not likely that there was some kind of "donor bribe". If the F-35 was the only real choice then why waste the money? And if the other planes were just not appropriate then there would be no point in those manufacturers making a bribe. Worse yet, once everyone got a look at what we were buying and saw that it was a lousy choice compared to the F-35 there would have been corruption charges over that decision! To prove your premise I think you would first have to establish that there was another suitable choice of aircraft and THEN prove bribery! Even if you're right you've got quite a challenge to prove it! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
capricorn Posted August 4, 2010 Report Posted August 4, 2010 Hello Although I am interested in all large contributions to political parties, at the moment I am interested in specifically finding out if there have been any large donations to the Conservative Party of Canada on behalf of the defence industry. I am mostly interested in Lockheed Martin as it may go to partly explain why they were the single source contract for the new fighter jets to replace the CF18's. Hello There have been reports that the reason for the F-35 purchase is in order to benefit US businesses (some call it the military industrial complex or something). I doubt US companies would be allowed to donate to the Conservatives under the present rules. As Smallc said, large donations from any source are now a no-no. You can make a political donation to registered political entities only if you are a citizen or permanent resident of Canada.--- Corporations, trade unions, associations and groups can no longer make political contributions. http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=fin&document=index&dir=lim〈=e&textonly=false If I recall correctly, there was a maintenance contract that was exclusively sourced to Boeing in 2006 to refurbish and upgrade the current CF18's. If that's true, why replace with new Lockheed equipment except for quid pro quo agreements? As I understand, fixing the CF-18s is to ensure they remain operational/usable until we take delivery of the new planes in another 5 to 6 years. Aren't the CF-18s being replaced because, by then they will be junk? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Alta4ever Posted August 4, 2010 Report Posted August 4, 2010 MS your brain must be dog food. You do realize that corporate donations are illegal as is donating over $1100 per person to either a constituency association or political party right? You would think you would have picked that up by now it is rather basic. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted August 4, 2010 Report Posted August 4, 2010 I am mostly interested in Lockheed Martin as it may go to partly explain why they were the single source contract for the new fighter jets to replace the CF18's. If I recall correctly, there was a maintenance contract that was exclusively sourced to Boeing in 2006 to refurbish and upgrade the current CF18's. If that's true, why replace with new Lockheed equipment except for quid pro quo agreements? I need links and background.Thanks The Macdonald Douglas who originally built the cf-18 no longer exists, they were bought by Boeing, so if you want to buy parts guess who is the only company who supplies those parts. Lockheed will not be producing anything for the cf-18. Simple stuff really why do you find it so hard to understand? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Shakeyhands Posted August 4, 2010 Report Posted August 4, 2010 MS your brain must be dog food. You do realize that corporate donations are illegal as is donating over $1100 per person to either a constituency association or political party right? You would think you would have picked that up by now it is rather basic. Nice. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
msdogfood Posted August 4, 2010 Author Report Posted August 4, 2010 Hello Is there any public record of large donors such as companies to political parties? If you tell me to look at the Elections Canada webpage I have already been there. It looks like they have a database but I'm not sure how to use it. It is not the most intuitive database I have ever met. Although I am interested in all large contributions to political parties, at the moment I am interested in specifically finding out if there have been any large donations to the Conservative Party of Canada on behalf of the defence industry. I am mostly interested in Lockheed Martin as it may go to partly explain why they were the single source contract for the new fighter jets to replace the CF18's. If I recall correctly, there was a maintenance contract that was exclusively sourced to Boeing in 2006 to refurbish and upgrade the current CF18's. If that's true, why replace with new Lockheed equipment except for quid pro quo agreements? I need links and background. Thanks Is there any public record of donors in general?? Quote
Smallc Posted August 4, 2010 Report Posted August 4, 2010 I believe there is a list of donors somewhere on elections Canada. Quote
msdogfood Posted August 4, 2010 Author Report Posted August 4, 2010 Hello There have been reports that the reason for the F-35 purchase is in order to benefit US businesses (some call it the military industrial complex or something). I doubt US companies would be allowed to donate to the Conservatives under the present rules. As Smallc said, large donations from any source are now a no-no. http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=fin&document=index&dir=lim〈=e&textonly=false As I understand, fixing the CF-18s is to ensure they remain operational/usable until we take delivery of the new planes in another 5 to 6 years. Aren't the CF-18s being replaced because, by then they will be junk? Thank-you! & thank you for the link!! Quote
msdogfood Posted August 4, 2010 Author Report Posted August 4, 2010 I believe there is a list of donors somewhere on elections Canada. OK???. Quote
Alta4ever Posted August 5, 2010 Report Posted August 5, 2010 I never realized the elections Canada website was so hard to use, I've always had such an easy time with it. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
msdogfood Posted August 5, 2010 Author Report Posted August 5, 2010 I never realized the elections Canada website was so hard to use, I've always had such an easy time with it. ok so where is the data i am looking for than??. Quote
Alta4ever Posted August 5, 2010 Report Posted August 5, 2010 ok so where is the data i am looking for than??. Considering you are looking for corporate donations your going to be wasting your time. If you think you are going to find some large donation your again going to be disappointed from a CEO your going to be disappointed. Elections Canada audits all the financial returns. IF a donation is less then $200 names aren't published. Go have fun on your witch hunt can't wait for you to try to claim some politician was "bought" for a $1100 donation. Secondly if you want to find the donations for the parties and their EDA's poke around the site its not terribly hard to find, but you seem to want other people to do your own research for you and its not going to happen. If you really can't figure it out elections Canada has a phone number, maybe you should try calling it. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted August 5, 2010 Report Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) Wow not even five minutes and well here are the 2009 contributions to the NDP that exceeded 1101.00 ame of contributor Political Party / Type / End Period Date received Class of contributor / Part # of the return Contribution transferred to (leadership contestant) Monetary ($) Non-monetary ($) _ Estate of F New Democratic Party / Annual / Dec. 2009 Aug. 26, 2009 Individuals / Part 2a 2,000.00 0.00 _ Estate of S New Democratic Party / Annual / Dec. 2009 Nov. 20, 2009 Individuals / Part 2a 10,000.00 0.00 _ Estate of T New Democratic Party / Annual / Dec. 2009 Sep. 22, 2009 Individuals / Part 2a 3,900.00 Not very bloody hard. Edited August 5, 2010 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
msdogfood Posted August 5, 2010 Author Report Posted August 5, 2010 Wow not even five minutes and well here are the 2009 contributions to the NDP that exceeded 1101.00 ame of contributor Political Party / Type / End Period Date received Class of contributor / Part # of the return Contribution transferred to (leadership contestant) Monetary ($) Non-monetary ($) _ Estate of F New Democratic Party / Annual / Dec. 2009 Aug. 26, 2009 Individuals / Part 2a 2,000.00 0.00 _ Estate of S New Democratic Party / Annual / Dec. 2009 Nov. 20, 2009 Individuals / Part 2a 10,000.00 0.00 _ Estate of T New Democratic Party / Annual / Dec. 2009 Sep. 22, 2009 Individuals / Part 2a 3,900.00 Not very bloody hard. OK i see your point no need to be taste abut it!!!. Quote
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