Interesting video from a pre-Israeli Jew

[Machjo]

I found this interesting video of a Jew whose family lived in Jerusalem prior to the foundation of the state of Israel and describes life there at the time. Interesting video:

[Machjo]

Another interesting video here:

[Machjo]

Here is a good video from the horse's mouth of what daily life is like in an IDF mission:

[Guest TrueMetis]

Well those people are clearly anti-semites.

[Machjo]

Well those people are clearly anti-semites.

Uhhh... didn't you watch the videos? They're self-proclaimed Jews! In the first video, he's an Orthodox Jew!

[Guest TrueMetis]

Uhhh... didn't you watch the videos? They're self-proclaimed Jews! In the first video, he's an Orthodox Jew!

It's a shot at bob, maybe I should have used a different smiley.

Edited June 20, 2010 by TrueMetis

[Machjo]

It's a shot at bob, maybe I should have used a different smiley.

I knew. But I exploited it for emphasis.

[Guest TrueMetis]

I knew. But I exploited it for emphasis.

Alright then.

[Machjo]

Now this is a surprising video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA2PsnNGGl0&feature=related

It would seem a few officers in elite combat units have already refused to participate in the occupation.

[Machjo]

Seems the movement is significant enough:

[Machjo]

This Major is impressive:

He insists he wishes to remain in the IDF, keep his rank, and either train soldiers or be reserved for the genuine defense of Israel, but will refuse to go into Gaza. One of the so-called refuseniks.

[Machjo]

And who broke ceasefires:

[Machjo]

By the sound of it all these guys really want is to turn the clock back to pre-Israeli Palestine when Jews and Muslims lived in peace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skbExDtFiu4&feature=related

[Machjo]

Another good day at the office:

[Machjo]

And now we're engaging in Holy War:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oiZ8I35Mtg

[Machjo]

Is it really coming down to Holy War:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ZDvMXWNZI&feature=related

[Machjo]

IDF having fun on their down time:

[Machjo]

More fun:

[Machjo]

And then we have the life of an Israeli Christian:

[Bob]

I found this interesting video of a Jew whose family lived in Jerusalem prior to the foundation of the state of Israel and describes life there at the time. Interesting video:

He's not a pre-Israeli Jew. Your thread title is inaccurate. This man wasn't around making observations about relations between Jews and Arab in the Palestine Mandate. More importantly his anecdotes from his grandmother about Arabs and Jews getting along (babysitting one another's kids) is likely to be true. There are very real stories of Jewish and Arab personal and business relationship before and after Israel's establishment. None of this overrides the broader theme of conflict between the two sides, however. Jews were assaulted, robbed, and murdered by Arabs as soon as their numbers began to grow in the late 19th century and became vocal about their nationalist aspirations.

There is no question that hostilities increased with the growth in Zionism. As is clear to anyone who's done their homework on Israeli and Zionist history, Arabs and Muslims are opposed to Jewish self-determination and have always been. Zionism, a movement for the emancipation of Jews and the establishment of a Jewish state, runs contrary to Arab and Muslim rejection of Jewish independence. To them, the entirety of the land belongs to them and all non-members of their groups must be subservient to Arab rule.

The same stupid logic this dumb Jew is using could be used to suggest that the civil rights movement for blacks "started" racial tensions, as during this time, lynching of blacks were increased, as well as assaults and murders (including MLK's assassination). It's funny how you try to garner support for your revisionist history by utilizing a one-minute video of a Neturei Karta member - the most despised group of Jews who oppose Israel exclusively on a religious basis. To them, a Jewish state runs contrary to their interpretation of Judaism. Unfortunately for them, most Jews in the world are secular, and Israel is by and large a secular state, guaranteeing religious freedom for all rooted in law and culture. Good luck siding with a ultra-religious moron.

Most importantly, this entire thread is an illustration of the modern-day Google and YouTube moron who thinks he or she can understand complex realities with five minutes of 30-second video clip browsing. I feel bad for people like you, who that watching 15 one-minute video clips is some sort of substitute for spending thousands of hours reading primary sources. The worst part of all is that you are representative of the majority of the population - completely ignorant and thinking that they can learn something online with their one-minute attention spans. It's pathetic.

[Bob]

Another interesting video here:

I've seen Yonatan Shapira before, and he's certainly entitled to his opinion. He was not involved in Cast Least, however. If you watch or read his interviews, it's quite clear that he's a borderline pacifist. To him, any risk of collateral damage is unacceptable. Someone like that simply cannot function in the IDF, given the nature of the enemies Israel faces. Furthermore, For every Yonatan Shapira, there are a thousand soldiers who fully support Israel's self-defense needs and recognize the nature of our enemies.

[Bob]

Well those people are clearly anti-semites.

The first video clearly displays and anti-semitic Jew. Neturei Karta members hate secular Jews and all those who support Israel. Of course you don't know who Neturei Karta are, but that doesn't stop you for cheering for a clip which supports your anti-Israel, anti-Zionist, and anti-semitic perspective which you don't understand. In your view, Jews can only be tolerated in the Middle East if they are subservient to the Arabs.

[Guest TrueMetis]

The first video clearly displays and anti-semitic Jew. Neturei Karta members hate secular Jews and all those who support Israel. Of course you don't know who Neturei Karta are, but that doesn't stop you for cheering for a clip which supports your anti-Israel, anti-Zionist, and anti-semitic perspective which you don't understand. In your view, Jews can only be tolerated in the Middle East if they are subservient to the Arabs.

I pity you and the hate filled world you live in.

[dre]

He's not a pre-Israeli Jew. Your thread title is inaccurate. This man wasn't around making observations about relations between Jews and Arab in the Palestine Mandate. More importantly his anecdotes from his grandmother about Arabs and Jews getting along (babysitting one another's kids) is likely to be true. There are very real stories of Jewish and Arab personal and business relationship before and after Israel's establishment. None of this overrides the broader theme of conflict between the two sides, however. Jews were assaulted, robbed, and murdered by Arabs as soon as their numbers began to grow in the late 19th century and became vocal about their nationalist aspirations.

There is no question that hostilities increased with the growth in Zionism. As is clear to anyone who's done their homework on Israeli and Zionist history, Arabs and Muslims are opposed to Jewish self-determination and have always been. Zionism, a movement for the emancipation of Jews and the establishment of a Jewish state, runs contrary to Arab and Muslim rejection of Jewish independence. To them, the entirety of the land belongs to them and all non-members of their groups must be subservient to Arab rule.

The same stupid logic this dumb Jew is using could be used to suggest that the civil rights movement for blacks "started" racial tensions, as during this time, lynching of blacks were increased, as well as assaults and murders (including MLK's assassination). It's funny how you try to garner support for your revisionist history by utilizing a one-minute video of a Neturei Karta member - the most despised group of Jews who oppose Israel exclusively on a religious basis. To them, a Jewish state runs contrary to their interpretation of Judaism. Unfortunately for them, most Jews in the world are secular, and Israel is by and large a secular state, guaranteeing religious freedom for all rooted in law and culture. Good luck siding with a ultra-religious moron.

Most importantly, this entire thread is an illustration of the modern-day Google and YouTube moron who thinks he or she can understand complex realities with five minutes of 30-second video clip browsing. I feel bad for people like you, who that watching 15 one-minute video clips is some sort of substitute for spending thousands of hours reading primary sources. The worst part of all is that you are representative of the majority of the population - completely ignorant and thinking that they can learn something online with their one-minute attention spans. It's pathetic.

Arabs and Muslims are opposed to Jewish self-determination and have always been

No theyre opposed to "jewish self determination" on land they ALSO feel they have a claim to. Trust me, if Israel had established a state in Australia, arabs wouldnt give a fuck about "jewish self determination".

This is a garden variety struggle over a piece of land and the resources on it.

I feel bad for people like you, who that watching 15 one-minute video clips is some sort of substitute for spending thousands of hours reading primary sources.

Oh boy... here we go again.

[Bob]

No theyre opposed to "jewish self determination" on land they ALSO feel they have a claim to. Trust me, if Israel had established a state in Australia, arabs wouldnt give a fuck about "jewish self determination".

No serious disagreement from me here, except for the fact that Jews and other non-Muslims were persecuted under Islamic leadership. Islamic leadership of yesterday and today does not treat non-Muslims as equals. Regardless of their feelings, we don't need their permission to have our own country and have self-determination.