bloodyminded Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 Indeed, I did not mean to imply that every Gazan is literally a savage You didn't imply it. You stated it explicitly: millions of destitute savages Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
jbg Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Posted June 8, 2010 Drive people out of most of their land. Continue to nibble at the borders and annex what little land they have left. Create horrible and inhuman conditions. Kill their people, demolish their homes and ruin their lives. Why do you question their animosity towards us? All of the above applied to the treatment of Jewry in Europe from the beginning of the Common Era through 1945 and in the former U.S.S.R. even to today. How much Jewish "animosity" or violence do you see towards European interests? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 After being bombed/occupied...damn those Palestinians and their rocket attacks, give me a break they hardly ever hit anything...I get the idea that they are firing rockets at you and I've had this argument with a couple of people on here about the use of force so I'll try to avoid that topic as best I can but honestly you treat people like shit (the Palestinians) what the hell do you expect them to do. So you'd be OK with rocket attacks on Hamilton, Ontario from Caledonia? I'm pretty sure Jordan and Israel are both carved out of previous Palestinan land. You are technically right to some degree I suppose with completely pulling out of Gaza. Nobody or group has the right to land...just the right to defend possession. ...I'll give you that some Palestinians have these luxuries, plus someone has already mentioned the refugees...I'm willing to bet that the refugee camps don't have TV or internet. I'll give you that Africa is far worse off then Palestine in the grand scheme of things, but just because someone is worse off doesn't make it right I think you'll agree. Logically, then, there should be more rocket attacks in Africa? ....I mean people can argue all day that this shouldn't be the case but honestly in the grand scheme of things who cares, Israel can go to sleep knowing that weapons aren't being brought in on these ships and Gaza will receive its aid, christ its really not that difficult. For the blockade to be effective it must achieve an unacceptable level of misery and tactical deprivation (e.g. war making materials) over time. Relenting even momentarily is a setback. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 Well no duh. Being the subject of a brutal military occupation spanning decades doesnt exactly make people act peacefull. Could you describe how, prior to the violence of the Intifada, the life of the average Palestinian was worse than, say, the life of the average Iraqi, Libyan, Syrian or Iranian? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bonam Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 I honestly have no problem with the blockade, Israel has their right to safety just as anyone does, therefore why not just let these ships (the Turkish ones and the Irish one) stop in an Israeli port, let them check it out if its all good and no weapons let them through. That's pretty much exactly what Israel tries to do. Unfortunately, the "activists" on the boats care nothing about delivering aid to Gaza. Rather, they care about scoring political points against Israel. So they refuse to be rerouted to an Israeli port, and force Israel to use force to board and check the ships, and hope that such action embarrasses Israel internationally. By the way, when Israel tried to deliver the aid from the Flotilla to Gaza, Hamas refused to take it. Quote
naomiglover Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 Bonam: Do you ever look into situations or are you here as part of the propaganda machine to try to justify Israel's actions unconditionally and at any means? By the way, when Israel tried to deliver the aid from the Flotilla to Gaza, Hamas refused to take it. "We refuse to receive the humanitarian aid until all those who were detained aboard the ships are released," said Ahmed Kurd, Minister for Social Welfare in the Hamas government said. "We also insist that the equipment be delivered in its entirety." Kurd said that Israel's decision to allow a number of wheelchairs to be delivered to the Gaza Strip was a "deception," claiming that the batteries that operate them had been removed, making them useless. The Hamas minister said that Israel's decision to send some of the aid that was seized aboard the ships to the Gaza Strip was designed to divert attention from the "massacre" that took place in the sea. http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177284 Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
Bonam Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 "We refuse to receive the humanitarian aid until all those who were detained aboard the ships are released," said Ahmed Kurd, Minister for Social Welfare in the Hamas government said. "We also insist that the equipment be delivered in its entirety." Kurd said that Israel's decision to allow a number of wheelchairs to be delivered to the Gaza Strip was a "deception," claiming that the batteries that operate them had been removed, making them useless. The Hamas minister said that Israel's decision to send some of the aid that was seized aboard the ships to the Gaza Strip was designed to divert attention from the "massacre" that took place in the sea. http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177284 So they refused to take aid for political purposes ("until the detained are released"). They then complained that not all of the aid was delivered all at once with some components missing, rather than taking what was available. For people supposedly living with such a lack of basic necessities as you claim, they sure are picky and choosy about what aid to accept. Quote
naomiglover Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 So they refused to take aid for political purposes ("until the detained are released"). They then complained that not all of the aid was delivered all at once with some components missing, rather than taking what was available. For people supposedly living with such a lack of basic necessities as you claim, they sure are picky and choosy about what aid to accept. Israel tried to score political points after their horrendous actions in the sea and the world's contempt for their actions. You find it odd that Hamas refused to feed Israel political points? Quote Jewish Voice for Peace Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East
Bonam Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 Israel tried to score political points after their horrendous actions in the sea and the world's contempt for their actions. You find it odd that Hamas refused to feed Israel political points? I find it odd that your beloved humanitarians of Hamas would think of politics when those poor Gazan children urgently need the international aid that was being transported to them despite the evil Israeli occupation by the heroic activists of the Free Gaza Movement and the IHH. Actually nevermind, I don't find it odd at all, since Hamas actually cares not at all for the well being of the Gazans. Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 Actually nevermind, I don't find it odd at all, since Hamas actually cares not at all for the well being of the Gazans. I strongly suspect you're right. So you and Hamas share one thing in common, at any rate. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
jbg Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Posted June 9, 2010 I strongly suspect you're right. So you and Hamas share one thing in common, at any rate. And by the same token where's your concern for the famished in Zimbabwe, starving because of state policies? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 And by the same token where's your concern for the famished in Zimbabwe, starving because of state policies? Not Jewish enough..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 And by the same token where's your concern for the famished in Zimbabwe, starving because of state policies? Relevance isnt your strong suit is it... Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
WestViking Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 Drive people out of most of their land. Continue to nibble at the borders and annex what little land they have left. Create horrible and inhuman conditions. Kill their people, demolish their homes and ruin their lives. Why do you question their animosity towards us? Why get mad at 'us'? In 1948 Arabs told their bretheren in the sate of Isreal to leave so they would not get caught in the war Arab nations were unleashing on the new state of Israel. The Arab invasion failed and the Arabs bandoned their brothers in refugee camps on the Israeli border and have left these people twisting in the wind for 60 years. Quote Hall Monitor of the Shadowy Group
jbg Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Posted June 9, 2010 Why get mad at 'us'? In 1948 Arabs told their bretheren in the sate of Isreal to leave so they would not get caught in the war Arab nations were unleashing on the new state of Israel. The Arab invasion failed and the Arabs bandoned their brothers in refugee camps on the Israeli border and have left these people twisting in the wind for 60 years. Any way you slice it, the "West" has to be wrong compared to these enlightened, Kumbaya-singing angelic leaders of Hamas. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Posted June 9, 2010 And by the same token where's your concern for the famished in Zimbabwe, starving because of state policies? Not Jewish enough..... Relevance isnt your strong suit is it... I was hoping that a generally englightened and progressive attitude, and concern about human suffering would trump your evident pro-Hamas bias. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bloodyminded Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 And by the same token where's your concern for the famished in Zimbabwe, starving because of state policies? How come you never talk about the suffering people of Equatorial Guinea? don't you care? Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bloodyminded Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 Not Jewish enough..... You're the one who dislikes Jews, not me. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
jbg Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) How come you never talk about the suffering people of Equatorial Guinea? don't you care? Somewhat recently I started a thread on the slaughter in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (link). I'm sure I'll cover the likely atrocitis in Equatorial Guinea in due time.My point, obviously, is that the world focuses on the relatively mild actions that Israel must take in self-defense, and not at all on the untrammeled brutality prevalent elsewhere. These same people enable these other catastrophes by supporting the continuing funneling of aid to these countries, moneys that go mostly to armaments and Swiss bank accounts. Edited June 9, 2010 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bloodyminded Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) Somewhat recently I started a thread on the slaughter in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (link). I'm sure I'll cover the likely atrocitis in Equatorial Guinea in due time. My point, obviously, is that the world focuses on the relatively mild actions that Israel must take in self-defense, and not at all on the untrammeled brutality prevalent elsewhere. These same people enable these other catastrophes by supporting the continuing funneling of aid to these countries, moneys that go mostly to armaments and Swiss bank accounts. My point was that you ask me why I don't condemn a specific country, while I criticize Israel; and that everyone is guilty of NOT condeming any manner of atrocities. So there's no point in aiming such a remark at me, when it belongs to everyone. Further still, Palestinian actions are "relatively mild" compared to some of the horror chambers we have actively supported. Edited June 9, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
dre Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 Somewhat recently I started a thread on the slaughter in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (link). I'm sure I'll cover the likely atrocitis in Equatorial Guinea in due time. My point, obviously, is that the world focuses on the relatively mild actions that Israel must take in self-defense, and not at all on the untrammeled brutality prevalent elsewhere. These same people enable these other catastrophes by supporting the continuing funneling of aid to these countries, moneys that go mostly to armaments and Swiss bank accounts. Why do you proceed with this intellectually dishonest non-argument that even a 3-yearold with severe cerebral palsy could see through? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jbg Posted June 10, 2010 Author Report Posted June 10, 2010 Why do you proceed with this intellectually dishonest non-argument that even a 3-yearold with severe cerebral palsy could see through? Explain and show that you're at least that level of intellect. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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