Martin headed for minority gov Toronto Star's poll

[Kliege]

Martin headed for minority government, Star's poll numbers show

Gap closing in Ontario as Liberal support falls

Canadians witnessing `remarkable turn of affairs:' Pollster

SUSAN DELACOURT

OTTAWA BUREAU CHIEF

The federal Liberals are headed toward minority government, according to a Toronto Star poll released today.

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[takeanumber]

It's still early.

[Kliege]

Canada

Liberals-37%

CPC- 30.4%

NDP-18%

Bloc-10.7%

Ontario

Liberals-40%

CPC-35%

NDP-22%

Quebec

Liberals-36%

Bloc-45%

That means the liberals are 20 points behind the bloc in the french dominated ridings

British Columbia

Liberals 29%

CPC-37%

NPD-30%

Alberta

Liberals-31%

CPC-29%

Sask/Man

Liberals-36%

CPC-38%

NDP-23%

Altantic

Liberals- 61%

And this is just the first week.

[takeanumber]

This isn't the 2000 election.

There's no guarantee that Lib Support will continue to slip.

I think the debate this year will matter, and I think there are tons more closetted Harper people who are going to start showing cracks.

You can only hide your agenda for so long.

[Kliege]

Liberal support has slipped in every election since 1974. What would make anyone think after 11 years and many many scandels that it would go up again. Harper isn't Stockwell Day and im sure nothing like what happen today will happen again, the MPs and candidates are on a tight leach. What you need to worry about is what "Martin Team" starts to do and say because when all those Liberals MPs in Ontario start to realize that their ridings aren't safe anymore shit is going to hit the fan

[takeanumber]

Harper isn't Stockwell Day

No, but close enough.

Harper is a lot like Martin though, only Harper is slightly worse at hidding his hidden agenda.

With Martin, there's a cute little thing called a track record. And the attacking of somebody's patriotism is the most Republican thing I've heard in Canada.

Anyway, side rant there.

I think this election is more like 1958; but you never know, the slide might turn around, and fast, if some of the more nasty plans that Harper has are revealed.

And there IS a hidden agenda. Don't dillude yourself. It's an agenda that I don't think the 905 would be able to handle.

[Kliege]

Martin and the Liberals doesn't ahve to hide his agenda all of Canada already knows thats the problem 28 Scandals, 36 on-going police investigations, Canada Steamship Lines, HRDC boondoggles, Gun Registry,Ministers giving girlfriends jobs, Shwinigate, Sponsorship Scandal … you name it, they've done it: embezzlement, fraud, theft, corruption, hidding slush funds, etc.

and yes Harper does have a hidden agenda its honesty, good government, Ethics, accountibility, actually finding out were all are taxes are going, knowledge that the books are balanced, no slush funds for embezzlement to take root, no crushy jobs for Liberal friends and contributors, were Parliament has authority to authorized programs and expenditures, proper management of the peoples money, funding the military, letting people choose there candidates and finally getting the truth out about 11 years of Liberal gov't using the peoples money as there own Parties piggy bank. Thats the hidden agenda buddy and the 905 is going to love it.

[playfullfellow]

And there IS a hidden agenda. Don't dillude yourself. It's an agenda that I don't think the 905 would be able to handle.

I guess just because a person is religious, supports family values and is a conservartive, they have a hidden agenda. That is what your threads alude to and does not make a whole lot of sense to me. Where is the proof of this hidden agenda? Please do show because I would love to see it, oh yeah, it is a hidden agenda. I don't really think there is much of a hidden agenda from any of the parties anymore. We as voters can be as well informed as we want to be now a days and scrutinize everything a politician does or says. It is guaranteed that any faux pas by the Liberals or Conservatives is posted by MS 5 minutes after they do so. (not picking on you MS but you are quite quick to post things and always provide links to new news).

If you look at the leader profiles and history, you will notice that Harper and Layton are the only two who have a strong history in economics. Both have taught economics in schools. Martin was a lawyer. Now I don't know about the rest of you but I am less inclined to let a lawyer run this country than I am a person with strong economic skills. Lawyers are just too good at the double speak. So it boils down to what type of economics you want to see happen in this country and which party has the better vision to pull of their agendas, the visible ones that is. You will also have to decide what you, as a tax payer is willing to pay for in the long run.

Are the Liberals heading for a minority government? I think the possibility is very real and growing each day. We have 3 green leaders for this election and too many Liberal scandals for them to have a cake walk again. But the liberals will just start to sling the mud again tp try and confuse the issues, only this time, Layton will also be a target after his comments about Martin being responsible for the death of homeless people. Though it may be true in a round about way, I think it was a bad move by Layton because now the Liberal muck slingers will be gunning for him too.

[takeanumber]

With all due respect, you have NO idea how pure the elite Conservative agenda is.

It's enough to make free market liberals like myself wince even.

Now, I found this comment funny:

and yes Harper does have a hidden agenda its honesty, good government, Ethics, accountibility, actually finding out were all are taxes are going, knowledge that the books are balanced, no slush funds for embezzlement to take root, no crushy jobs for Liberal friends and contributors, were Parliament has authority to authorized programs and expenditures, proper management of the peoples money, funding the military, letting people choose there candidates and finally getting the truth out about 11 years of Liberal gov't using the peoples money as there own Parties piggy bank. Thats the hidden agenda buddy and the 905 is going to love it.

First off, honesty, good government, ethics and accountability are NOT in fact hidden agendas. (good rhetoric though.)

Instead of Liberal lackeys, it's gunna be conservative lackeys. (The PM has tons of pork and patronage to laddle out, and don't think that because the Tories have been cut out for so long, that they're going to go without! Hell no, just as with the Pensions, the tories are going to say, "meeeee tooooo".

On the second point, of finding out where the taxes are actually going, read Savoie, 2001. It's not and excuse as to why things are being run the way they are, but it gives good insight into the complexitities, and the consequences, of Conservative attempts to run government like a business.

I cut up my Liberal party card three years ago when I just couldn't stomach the arrogance and the corruption any longer. (Plus, political membership means absolutely jack shit in this country.) So, don't confuse me for a partisan.

But all of this Conservative and NDP bandwagon 'oh they're so much better' bull is just that. Bull.

Return a minority.

[Alliance Fanatic]

What hidden agenda is that stop. Stop talking out of your ass and start making some valid points. What type of hidden agenda, I think I know what it is.

We all need to wear blue from now on every day

We all have to worship Homer Simpson

We all have to start eating crappy cereal for breakfast

We will all only have one sexual position missionary

Am I close to what the hidden agenda is about

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The News just keeps getting worst for the Liberals

Liberals admit voters are furious in B.C.

Martin appears to have lost support

Anne Dawson

The Ottawa Citizen

Friday, May 28, 2004

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[takeanumber]

Complaints were loudest in B.C., where Mr. Martin designated, among others, Bill Cunningham, his leadership campaign organizer in the province, over two Chinese Canadians -- one who tearfully accused the Liberals of racism and said Mr. Martin "screwed" him.

What pissed me off the most was that Martin imposed his choices on that riding even AFTER the media pointed it out and Canadians from coast to coast freaked.

Look: Liberal's gotta understand something:

If you want star candidates, then surely, if they are stars, they can stand up to a riding nomination contest. Right?

We, at the local level, give all the lattitude to the PM in terms of policy in EXCHANGE FOR local lattitude at candidate selection.

When the PM violates that agreement, prepare for ire.

And good on the people of BC to stand up for democracy.

[Slavik44]

Alberta

Liberals-31%

CPC-29%

uhmm... the conservatives are down 25% in alberta?

did you ahh...make an eror there?

[Kliege]

Sorry

Alberta

Liberals-31%

CPC-55%