Topaz Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 In Ottawa this week, McGuinty is meeting with mayors of municipalities to get control over the American Buy that going on within North America. Ontario has been hit hard in manufacturing and I just wonder if people realize that one Premier of Ontario did good things for this province. His name was Leslie Frost, Premier from 1949-1961, a PCer, and after watching his political life on the TV, I was amazed to know how everything that you could buy for your home was manufactured in Ontario!! What happen to those days? Since his retirment, we have had 5 PC's, 2 Libs and one NDP governments and look at the manufacturing sector now. I'm sure Frost would turn over in his grave to see all the work he had accomplished was now almost gone. We need another Frost and I really don't care what party he's from just as long that he as smart in business as Frost was. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 I was amazed to know how everything that you could buy for your home was manufactured in Ontario!! Another amazing thing: everybody else in Canada had to buy everything from Ontario too! Expensive, low quality crap! Those were the good old days! Quote The government should do something.
Topaz Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Posted August 20, 2009 Another amazing thing: everybody else in Canada had to buy everything from Ontario too!Expensive, low quality crap! Those were the good old days! What are you angry at? Each province has it own industries that other provinces buy from so what's the big deal? The point was that Ontario had all those things you bought for a home made here and now how many of those companies are bought by the US usually, then out sourced to Mexico or Third World country. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 What are you angry at? Each province has it own industries that other provinces buy from so what's the big deal? The point was that Ontario had all those things you bought for a home made here and now how many of those companies are bought by the US usually, then out sourced to Mexico or Third World country. Angry? I'm not angry, just pointing out the idiocy implict in the OP. People outside Ontario were obliged to buy overpriced manufactured rubbish made in Ontario because the federal govt made it impossibloe to do otherwise through their Buy Canadian policies. Since, gee just coincidence, Ontario was the prime manufacturer of same and were heavily [protected from competition from anywhere, your fellow Canadians paid the price for your industrial base and longterm prosperity. What you ask for is a repeat of that. Ain't gonna happen. Things have changed. Adapt or die. Quote The government should do something.
Topaz Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Posted August 20, 2009 Angry? I'm not angry, just pointing out the idiocy implict in the OP.People outside Ontario were obliged to buy overpriced manufactured rubbish made in Ontario because the federal govt made it impossibloe to do otherwise through their Buy Canadian policies. Since, gee just coincidence, Ontario was the prime manufacturer of same and were heavily [protected from competition from anywhere, your fellow Canadians paid the price for your industrial base and longterm prosperity. What you ask for is a repeat of that. Ain't gonna happen. Things have changed. Adapt or die. So are you saying you are ready to buy all the imports that don't have the quality that Canadian made has/had? BTW, what overpriced rubbish are you talking about? Quote
stranger little Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 Indeed. manufactured goods made in Ontario are much more durable and well-made then anything that is imported from the developing world. McGuinty does smile to much for a man that hasn't done anything. Quote We need a better energy plan for Ontario!!!
madmax Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 Another amazing thing: everybody else in Canada had to buy everything from Ontario too!Expensive, low quality crap! Quote
madmax Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Indeed. manufactured goods made in Ontario are much more durable and well-made then anything that is imported from the developing world. I find it amazing how people accept the cheap crap that is made today. People with manufacturing backgrounds can see the shortcuts in production. Garbage in Garbage out. Considering that these imports are made with some high end machinery, and do have top of the line designs, it is merely the ability to achieve easier manipulations in health and safety as well as consumer protection laws. Canada had those battles with manufacturers throughout their history here, and still do.There is a reason why Lead paint in childrens toys is a thing of the past, but now a reality of the present. There is a reason why we don't Spike Childrens food with chemicals to create a higher protein reading, even though it is the spiking that kills children. The developing world can provide a good product. Especially in China, Korea, and other asian countries. But the level of corruption, child labour, and the fact that in China 45,000 employees die every 3 months to provide cheap consumer goods is a price North Americans are not prepared to pay. We do have value attached to human life. This value of worker protection and consumer protection is NOT considered in trade agreements. I notice the shelf life of "White Products" is surprisingly short. I highly doubt I will get 50 to 75 years out of one of those cheap toilets, and fridges, stoves, washers and dryers seem to break with their cheap electronics and plastic dials. Dials that were made of steel for a reason, and while plastics can provide a durable gearing mechanism, it doesn't seem to be the goal of the manufacturer any longer. People that talk about "cheap" Ontario made goods are merely ill informed or believe false stereotypes. I was a foolish believer in such talk back in the late 80s and early 90s. Large Corporations wanted to locate to 3rd world countries and get away from health and safety, the environment, and consumer protection laws, as well as the North American labour costs. To do this, they needed to get governments to agree to lower tariffs. End game is a huge loss in technology in Canada. A huge loss in Jobs. Sir John A MacDonald is rolling in his grave. McGuinty does smile to much for a man that hasn't done anything. He will get re elected. Edited August 21, 2009 by madmax Quote
DFCaper Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 Another amazing thing: everybody else in Canada had to buy everything from Ontario too!Expensive, low quality crap! Those were the good old days! We have too much stuff now for it all to be manufactured by Ontario. Just so you are aware, Manufacturing has evolved in the last few decades. Ontario is now one of the best manufacturing locations in the world for quality. The CAW keeps it from being cost as well (Protecting the lazy). The first lexus built outside of Japan was in Ontario, as it what the only plant outside of Japan with high enough quality. GM's Oshawa plant has been the highest quality plant for GM in NA. Most productive as well, but I always figured Magna was responsible for that. If I was going to build a product that Quality had to be top notch, I would build it in Ontario. Just no where near the CAW heartland so I can stay competitive... Quote "Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it" - Hellen Keller "Success is not measured by the heights one attains, but by the obstacles one overcomes in its attainment" - Booker T. Washington
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