Sir Bandelot Posted July 2, 2009 Report Posted July 2, 2009 We'd all have been better off if she'd taken his advise. These sort of comments from CPC supporters, and the politicians themselves will help to ensure that they never get a majority. Quote
Argus Posted July 3, 2009 Author Report Posted July 3, 2009 These sort of comments from CPC supporters, and the politicians themselves will help to ensure that they never get a majority. Because you think Sheila Copps was exactly the kind of politician we need, worshipped the ground she walked on, and only wished there were more like her, right, chump? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted July 3, 2009 Report Posted July 3, 2009 What the hell are you talking about? Sarah Palin was an empty suit. She never spoke in any way at any time where her words weren't tailored. Her entire image of the good mom, family values, conservative religious whatever, came out of a factory, and there was nothing behind it but a wide eyed naif without substance.Probably someone you much admired, come to think of it. See, now you've resorting to calling her names, and me names as well. You know, that's exactly the type of thing that turns Canadians off of politics. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted July 3, 2009 Report Posted July 3, 2009 Because you think Sheila Copps was exactly the kind of politician we need, worshipped the ground she walked on, and only wished there were more like her, right, chump? Wrong, but the comment by Peter Mackay is still out of line, and can be used against the CPC. Thats stupidity Quote
normanchateau Posted July 3, 2009 Report Posted July 3, 2009 Is this really what we want our politicians saying: In an entry about junior high school graduations, Mr. Elniski posted this advice to girls: "Men are attracted to smiles, so smile and don't give me that 'treated equal' stuff, if you want Equal it comes in little packages at Starbucks." http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/st...html?id=1726922 No Canadian father, not even a Harper supporter, should be uttering such 1950's sexist drivel to his daughter. Equality is the cornerstone of contemporary democracies and elected politicians are accountable for defending, not attacking, this fundamental value. Quote
CAMP Posted July 3, 2009 Report Posted July 3, 2009 Is this really what we want our politicians saying:In an entry about junior high school graduations, Mr. Elniski posted this advice to girls: "Men are attracted to smiles, so smile and don't give me that 'treated equal' stuff, if you want Equal it comes in little packages at Starbucks." http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/st...html?id=1726922 No Canadian father, not even a Harper supporter, should be uttering such 1950's sexist drivel to his daughter. Equality is the cornerstone of contemporary democracies and elected politicians are accountable for defending, not attacking, this fundamental value. I sure don't want politicians saying anything of the sort. The real underlying reason that politics has become boring might be better expressed. Politics has become a mundane task to become involved in, because most people are fed up and frustrated with a system that is very corrupt and costing us money. They feel there is no use bothering with the system, it can't be trusted, and rightly so, therefore they don't vote. You can't fight the big machine of government. Many people find ways to get around it as much as possible, hence the underground economy, otherwise we just tolerate the bully. Quote www.centralparty.ca (The Central Party of Canada) real democracy in action!
Argus Posted July 3, 2009 Author Report Posted July 3, 2009 Is this really what we want our politicians saying:In an entry about junior high school graduations, Mr. Elniski posted this advice to girls: "Men are attracted to smiles, so smile and don't give me that 'treated equal' stuff, if you want Equal it comes in little packages at Starbucks." http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/st...html?id=1726922 No Canadian father, not even a Harper supporter, should be uttering such 1950's sexist drivel to his daughter. Equality is the cornerstone of contemporary democracies and elected politicians are accountable for defending, not attacking, this fundamental value. I would want to know the actual substance of the speech given, rather than condemning him on the basis of a single sentence. Elinski has three daughters so I think it extraordinarily unlikely his speech was loaded with suggestions they all be good little homemakers and do what their husbands tell them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Sir Bandelot Posted July 3, 2009 Report Posted July 3, 2009 I would want to know the actual substance of the speech given, rather than condemning him on the basis of a single sentence. Elinski has three daughters so I think it extraordinarily unlikely his speech was loaded with suggestions they all be good little homemakers and do what their husbands tell them. You're welcome to read the whole article in the link provided. Read it and weep, bro Quote
normanchateau Posted July 3, 2009 Report Posted July 3, 2009 I would want to know the actual substance of the speech given, rather than condemning him on the basis of a single sentence. I too would rather comment on the full speech. Unfortunately Elniski chose to remove the speech from his blog after the controversy arose. Thus the offending statement remains in the public domain while the remainder of the speech does not. I suspect that if Elniski were proud of the entire speech, felt that it would put the offensive comment in context and/or revealed that the comment was a spontaneous aside and not actually part of the speech, it would not have been removed from his blog. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted July 3, 2009 Report Posted July 3, 2009 I too would rather comment on the full speech. Unfortunately Elniski chose to remove the speech from his blog after the controversy arose. Thus the offending statement remains in the public domain while the remainder of the speech does not. I suspect that if Elniski were proud of the entire speech, felt that it would put the offensive comment in context and/or revealed that the comment was a spontaneous aside and not actually part of the speech, it would not have been removed from his blog. I believe he did say publicly that he deeply regretted it, and apologized. Therefore it was not taken out of context. Quote
Argus Posted July 3, 2009 Author Report Posted July 3, 2009 You're welcome to read the whole article in the link provided. Read it and weep, bro First of all. Why should I 'weep'? I have nothing invested in this guy. I'd never even heard of him before. Second, you appear to not realize that "the whole article" does not actually contain the entire speech. It only containst he parts selected to be the most entertaining/outrgeous. That is the nature of the media. I'm sure that, taken as a whole, his speech is blandly encouraging for them all to go forth and seek out exciting careers, etc. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 3, 2009 Author Report Posted July 3, 2009 I too would rather comment on the full speech. Unfortunately Elniski chose to remove the speech from his blog after the controversy arose. Thus the offending statement remains in the public domain while the remainder of the speech does not. I suspect that if Elniski were proud of the entire speech, felt that it would put the offensive comment in context and/or revealed that the comment was a spontaneous aside and not actually part of the speech, it would not have been removed from his blog. Riiiiight. He didn't just delete everything in a panic cause the media hounds were on him. He's hiding something! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Molly Posted July 3, 2009 Report Posted July 3, 2009 Obviously not hiding it very well. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Argus Posted July 4, 2009 Author Report Posted July 4, 2009 Obviously not hiding it very well. Yes, it's very hard to hide the truth from people who need no facts to know what truth is. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Sir Bandelot Posted July 4, 2009 Report Posted July 4, 2009 Yes, it's very hard to hide the truth from people who need no facts to know what truth is. It's very easy to hide the truth from people who ignore the facts, and won't see what truth is. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 "Why Canadians are turned off politics" The Tory attack ads are another good example why. Quote
normanchateau Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 Riiiiight. He didn't just delete everything in a panic cause the media hounds were on him. He's hiding something! No doubt to make sure that the offensive statement is put in context, he will eventually release the full speech once the "media hounds" lose interest in the story. Riiiiight. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 "Why Canadians are turned off politics" The childish bickering, name calling, and polarization of views makes us sick. Quote
Argus Posted July 5, 2009 Author Report Posted July 5, 2009 It's very easy to hide the truth from people who ignore the facts, and won't see what truth is. You haven't given any facts. You've given one sentence from the address he gave to a class. You consider that sufficient. I'm saying it's not. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 5, 2009 Author Report Posted July 5, 2009 "Why Canadians are turned off politics"The childish bickering, name calling, and polarization of views makes us sick. Not all Canadians. You're apparently quite enthusiastic about them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Sir Bandelot Posted July 5, 2009 Report Posted July 5, 2009 Not all Canadians. You're apparently quite enthusiastic about them. You have been here a long while, and ave over 12000 posts. I'd say you're pretty enthused... Quote
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