Caledonia militia?

lictor616 · July 15, 2009

Well, by jeffery... it is all within the posting guidelines. Mr. "Whiteman" has been banned here before a number of times and sneaking back onto this site violates the rules. Plus we all know that nefarious avatar can't control himself when he is presented with truth he can't propagandize. And of course threatening to sue the administrators and moderators doesn't help his case either!

nearly every single post of yours is an ad hominem or at least has an ad hominem component to it. You attack posters personally, and use Godwin's law on a nearly constant basis...

Edited July 15, 2009 by lictor616

M.Dancer · July 15, 2009

nearly every single post of yours is an ad hominem or at least has an ad hominem component to it. You attack posters personally, and use Godwin's law on a nearly constant basis...

Godwin's law does not apply when one particpant is a nazi, nazi.

lictor616 · July 15, 2009

Godwin's law does not apply when one particpant is a nazi, nazi.

I am not a member of the NSDAP, i don't subscribe to many of the "ideas" of the nazi party.

You know and I know that you're calling me a nazi simply to insult and defame.

M.Dancer · July 15, 2009

I am not a member of the NSDAP, i don't subscribe to many of the "ideas" of the nazi party.
You know and I know that you're calling me a nazi simply to insult and defame.

I fail to see how calling someone who openly admires hitler and the nazi regime a nazi can be construed as an insult. It's a point of fact.

You may quibble that being a white supremist and a racist is not the same as being a nazi, but no one cares about the finer distinctions between one group of hateful kooks and another. In most people's minds, your all

tango · July 15, 2009

I am not a member of the NSDAP, i don't subscribe to many of the "ideas" of the nazi party.
You know and I know that you're calling me a nazi simply to insult and defame.

nazi is a demeanour you have, not a group you belong to.

mdancer, THANKS for Illinois Nazis ... :lol:

Edited July 15, 2009 by tango

lictor616 · July 15, 2009

I fail to see how calling someone who openly admires hitler and the nazi regime a nazi can be construed as an insult. It's a point of fact.
You may quibble that being a white supremist and a racist is not the same as being a nazi, but no one cares about the finer distinctions between one group of hateful kooks and another. In most people's minds, your all

I don't believe in the superiority of any race, I don't subscribe to nazi aryan doctrine, I don't admire hitler.

I'm not calling you a commie for being a lefty drone... because that's an ad hominem... and so is your "nazi" accusation.

charter.rights · July 15, 2009

I don't believe in the superiority of any race, I don't subscribe to nazi aryan doctrine, I don't admire hitler.
I'm not calling you a commie for being a lefty drone... because that's an ad hominem... and so is your "nazi" accusation.

It seems that this thread has devolved into a bad case of garyitis. That is the psychological condition where one turns every discussion into a self-aggrandizing narcissistic debate......

It isn't ad hominem when one personalizes statements and observations. It is paranoia.

tango · July 15, 2009

I don't believe in the superiority of any race, I don't subscribe to nazi aryan doctrine, I don't admire hitler.
I'm not calling you a commie for being a lefty drone... because that's an ad hominem... and so is your "nazi" accusation.

For saying that euro canadians are second class citizens? for talking about the racist laws that favor minorities and natives ABOVE ordinary canadians?

Pretty classic Neo nazi stuff

Yet you are perfectly capable of calling all white Caledonians NEO NAZIS

Never.

Where did you get that? Gary McHale

Here you reveal that you have the same agenda re Caledonia/Six Nations, as Gary McHale and Mark Vandermaas. Their third outsider white supremacist wannabe is Jeff Parkinson.

AngusThermopyle · July 15, 2009

Whats with all the Nazi references in this thread? Are those who throw this title around so unaware of history and the true meaning of Nazi'ism that they honestly believe this to be a valid description?

Lets face it, even those who today proclaim themselves to be Nazi's have no idea of what the word actually represents. Instead they have a selective view tailored to fit their own personal desires.

I believe this debate would be far better served without the childish and highly innacurate application of this word to any who offend others or hold differing viewpoints. Actually, glibly applying this label to any whom one disagree's with should be reason for a suspension of posting privileges as it is a far more vile label than any mere profanity.

M.Dancer · July 15, 2009

I don't believe in the superiority of any race, I don't subscribe to nazi aryan doctrine, I don't admire hitler.

Your posts beg to differ. I know as well from your posts that honesty is not your strong suit, but prevaricating like you are now only humiliates you.

tango · July 15, 2009

Whats with all the Nazi references in this thread? Are those who throw this title around so unaware of history and the true meaning of Nazi'ism that they honestly believe this to be a valid description?
Lets face it, even those who today proclaim themselves to be Nazi's have no idea of what the word actually represents. Instead they have a selective view tailored to fit their own personal desires.

I believe this debate would be far better served without the childish and highly innacurate application of this word to any who offend others or hold differing viewpoints. Actually, glibly applying this label to any whom one disagree's with should be reason for a suspension of posting privileges as it is a far more vile label than any mere profanity.

Perhaps you are not aware of who we are dealing with here:

and here ...

A White Nationalist Canada and Repatriation

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=391588

Repatriation would not be easy. I advocate a system of zero-nonWhite-immigrant growth: Disallow entry by any non-White immigrants, and tell those already here that they may have only one child per couple; if they wish to have more than one child, they must return to the land of their origin. The penalty for having more than one child would be mandatory deportation. This system would trigger a decline in the non-White populace in our lands; the population of those who remained here would drop by at least fifty per cent per generation, and many couples would for cultural reasons desire to have many children, and thus would either voluntarily leave in order to be able to do so, or would face deportation for illegal multiple procreations.

Obviously, this system involves imposing strict limitations upon rights, but it is far less tyrannic than simple mass deportation.

And for any who might complain that even these measures might seem too harsh, they are a good deal more benign than the genocide being imposed upon the White race through displacement by non-White immigrants. Those who imposed this genocide upon us are the aggressors and criminals; a means of diminishing the alien presences which threaten our existence is defensive and morally justifiable.

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"At whatever age your child knows what an abortion is, at whatever age your child knows what rap music is, at whatever age your child has ever seen a mixed race couple, they are old enough for pro-White music."

-Byron Calvert

2004

And here ....

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I live 20 minutes from where all of this is going on. I have been a proud supporter of Gary McHale and Doug Flemming for the past 3 years. If you want the insider information let me know. I joined the Caledonia Militia because I believe it's wrong what's going on here.

a couple of weeks ago I went to the information meeting for the Militia. Gary and Dough brought up some excellent points http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/

These indians think they are above the law. at the meeting we were just talking and minding our own business while the indians and non native protesters were chanting, beating their war drums and refusing to listen to the police when told to go to the other side of the road and to leave us alone. There were about 100 native and non native protesters and maybe 40 of us white folks yet the police were treating us like we were the criminals .... we booked the hall ... we were quiet and respectful ... we were forced to vacate the property within 30 minutes of the meetings conclusion.

I was wearing my Southern Cross tattoo loud and proud.

Us white people have been tormented by these indians for 3 years. We get denied our right to free speech, we get denied the right to wave the Canadian Flag, we get arrested for walking down the street to hang up the Canadian Flag on Canada Day weekend, the OPP stand by while the indians beat up an elderly couple, We get robbed by indians and the OPP ignore it.

The indians are running around DCE with guns, threatening municipal workers who were sent to cut off water and hydro to the site (i was one of those municipal workers), they block major roads in and out of Caledonia, they are currently threatening to make HWY#3 a toll road.

Recently they built an illegal cigarette shack on an elderly white mans property against his will. By-Law officers are now threatening the white man to remove it or face fines/arrest ... elderly white man tells indians to tear it down ... indians threaten him ... OPP are called in by the indian who claims he has a right to have the illegal smoke shack on the elderly mans property and that the white man is infact threatening him. So long story short the white man is about to be fined/arrested if the smoke shack isn't removed.

This situation is all ****ed up. I'll post more as I know more.

By the way I personally know the contractor that bought the land ... funny how the indians didn't start their terrorist acts at DCE until there were houses, water and electricity there.

stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7035900&highlight=McHale#post7035900" target="_blank">http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthre....ale#post7035900

Mapleleafweb is becoming a target recruiting ground for the 'white nationalists'.

They are sucking in all you right wing folks with anti-immigrant sentiments.

Be careful what you agree with. There is an insidious 'white supremacist' recruitment campaign going on right here.

Edited July 15, 2009 by tango

M.Dancer · July 15, 2009

I don't believe in the superiority of any race, I don't subscribe to nazi aryan doctrine, I don't admire hitler.

*cough*

National Socialism (or third way capitalism) in Germany was a raving success, zero unemployment, stupendous scientific and mathematical literacy, outstanding social cohesion and sense of community (well except perhaps with Jews). The population was healthy beyond modern day canada- cancers, obesity, STD's were nearly at zero... what else? oh yes taxes were a great deal lower then current rates (its true Nazi Germany did not have millions of regular welfare dependents, the mentally and physically infirm (or "Erbkrank") ... there was also a minimum of inter-class hostility.

acting out? have you read his speeches - have you read Mein Kampf? Hitler built a superpopular political party along with a handful of men- at what point do we recognize the monumental achievement that that was?

Wild Bill · July 15, 2009

Perhaps you are not aware of who we are dealing with here:

Well, I wasted 4:01 minutes of my time on your youtube link, waiting to see something racist or "white supremacist".

I didn't see anything! All I saw was a lot of non-native protestors. I presume it was a McHale rally of some kind. They spent a lot of time waving Canadian flags. So what? Six Nations protestors wave flags as well.

You keep dragging white supremacy into the mix, with allusions you never substantiate. You just tell us "I know for a fact but I can't say!"

Who are you? The Pope? I'm supposed to believe you because of who you are?

If we do get a racist type posting in the forum it seems to make your day! Instead of just accepting him as just one of the usual wingnuts who show up in political forums you act as if he represents vast numbers of people involved in a Caledonia conspiracy.

After all, if anyone disagrees with you they must be a racist and a white supremacist, n'est-ce pas?

One guy thinks that whites can do no wrong. You constantly posit that Six Nations is always and completely in the right.

What's the difference? I don't think either viewpoint would make very pleasant company.

tango · July 15, 2009

Well, I wasted 4:01 minutes of my time on your youtube link, waiting to see something racist or "white supremacist".
I didn't see anything! All I saw was a lot of non-native protestors. I presume it was a McHale rally of some kind. They spent a lot of time waving Canadian flags. So what? Six Nations protestors wave flags as well.

You keep dragging white supremacy into the mix, with allusions you never substantiate. You just tell us "I know for a fact but I can't say!"

Who are you? The Pope? I'm supposed to believe you because of who you are?

If we do get a racist type posting in the forum it seems to make your day! Instead of just accepting him as just one of the usual wingnuts who show up in political forums you act as if he represents vast numbers of people involved in a Caledonia conspiracy.

After all, if anyone disagrees with you they must be a racist and a white supremacist, n'est-ce pas?

One guy thinks that whites can do no wrong. You constantly posit that Six Nations is always and completely in the right.

What's the difference? I don't think either viewpoint would make very pleasant company.

Do you know who those people were, pictured in the video in Caledonia for McHale/Vandermaas/Parkinson's rallies?

Paul Fromm (Stormfront, crusader for Ernst Zundel)

Dave Ruud (Northern Alliance)

Melissa Guille (Canadian Heritage Front/Alliance),

and others not yet identified.

These are the neo nazi/white supremacist leaders in Canada ... in Caledonia with Gary McHale.

Google em bill ... and decide whether you want to defend them or distance yourself from them so we can know where you stand: Are you one of the white supremacist recruiters or just an unknowing sucker for them?

There aren't "vast numbers of people involved in the Caledonia conspiracy": Just a few really bad apples not from Caledonia, and their badapple buddies. However, they do succeed in causing mayhem.

They are causing mayhem here on mapleleafweb too. I think it's time people started realizing what they are encouraging here, with their naive and ignorant anti-immigrant and anti-native posts.

White supremacists want you! Do you want them?

Edited July 15, 2009 by tango

lictor616 · July 15, 2009

*cough*

Dancer, you should really delve into the concept of Godwin's law... cuz really..

Say I agree with animal rights laws, and I commend nazi germany for PIONEERING animal rights.... doesn that make me a nazi? because then by your definition: all peta members are nazis (while actually, most of them are marxists)

Say I commend Hitler for his vegeterianism... does that make me a nazi? And does that make all vegetarians hitler lovers?

My favorable comments for one or another of some of the policies and programs of Nazi Germany, does not mean I embrace ALL OF THEM.

The only reason you SAY it does is as an ad hominem abusive against me...

Edited July 15, 2009 by lictor616

AngusThermopyle · July 15, 2009

Just a few really bad apples not from Caledonia, and their badapple buddies. However, they do succeed in causing mayhem.

And this is justification for accusing fellow members of being Nazi's? This applies to just about any race on earth equally, the only ones I can think of who would be difficult to characterize in this way would be the Kalahari Bushmen.

Indeed Caledonia has seen its share of such characters from the Native side as well. Or is it that no such people exist among Natives? What of Shawn Brant? I've seen video's of him openly advocating armed insurrection and violence, advocating Genocidal policies, or were they all just "doctored", evidence unavaillable of course.

As you can see, a few nutbars, no matter what race, do not justify labeling entire groups of people. Or are you of the opinion now that such a practise is both good and healthy. A rather strange position to take for one accustomed to accusing others of just such a habit, if indeed that is what you believe.

tango · July 16, 2009

And this is justification for accusing fellow members of being Nazi's? This applies to just about any race on earth equally, the only ones I can think of who would be difficult to characterize in this way would be the Kalahari Bushmen.
Indeed Caledonia has seen its share of such characters from the Native side as well. Or is it that no such people exist among Natives? What of Shawn Brant? I've seen video's of him openly advocating armed insurrection and violence, advocating Genocidal policies, or were they all just "doctored", evidence unavaillable of course.

As you can see, a few nutbars, no matter what race, do not justify labeling entire groups of people. Or are you of the opinion now that such a practise is both good and healthy. A rather strange position to take for one accustomed to accusing others of just such a habit, if indeed that is what you believe.

I never accused any poster here of being a nazi. mdancer did.

I simply laid out the neo nazi/white supremacist composition of Gary McHale's entourage at his rallies, etc.

I also pointed out that this board is infested with them, and that members should beware of what they are being talked into, because white supremacist thinking is insidious.

Edited July 16, 2009 by tango

Wild Bill · July 16, 2009

I never accused any poster here of being a nazi. mdancer did.
I simply laid out the neo nazi/white supremacist composition of Gary McHale's entourage at his rallies, etc.

I also pointed out that this board is infested with them, and that members should beware of what they are being talked into, because white supremacist thinking is insidious.

Ok, so some wingnuts attended McHale's rally.

Were they involved in the leadership, or did they just happen to show up?

Even if you did prove that McHale is one of those wingnuts, it still wouldn't change my mind one iota as to my opinion of the tactics of the Six Nations protesters. I might lower my opinion of McHale, but it is illogical to think that if one is bad the other must be good. They could BOTH be bad!

I say again, this is why I base so much of my opinion on people's actions, not just their words. I am hardly some brainless dupe brainwashed by white supremacists simply because I disagree with YOU!

As I had said in my last post, from my perspective looking from the outside I can see evil objectively.

If McHale and his followers ever blow up an electrical transformer, beat up tv cameramen, try to run over a policeman or put an old man into the hospital with brain damage rest assured I would be as quick to decry his actions as I am those of the Six Nations protesters.

Evil is as evil does.

Perhaps using 'native pride' as an excuse for 'Hawaiian missionary righteousness' is also insidious.

May I never fall for either kind of illogical excuses for harming innocents.

Edited July 16, 2009 by Wild Bill

tango · July 16, 2009

Ok, so some wingnuts attended McHale's rally.
Were they involved in the leadership, or did they just happen to show up?

Even if you did prove that McHale is one of those wingnuts, it still wouldn't change my mind one iota as to my opinion of the tactics of the Six Nations protesters. I might lower my opinion of McHale, but it is illogical to think that if one is bad the other must be good. They could BOTH be bad!

I say again, this is why I base so much of my opinion on people's actions, not just their words. I am hardly some brainless dupe brainwashed by white supremacists simply because I disagree with YOU!

As I had said in my last post, from my perspective looking from the outside I can see evil objectively.

If McHale and his followers ever blow up an electrical transformer, beat up tv cameramen, try to run over a policeman or put an old man into the hospital with brain damage rest assured I would be as quick to decry his actions as I am those of the Six Nations protesters.

Evil is as evil does.

Perhaps using 'native pride' as an excuse for 'Hawaiian missionary righteousness' is also insidious.

May I never fall for either kind of illogical excuses for harming innocents.

Yup you got the lingo down pat.

Just like Gary, Mark and Jeff. <_<

tango · July 16, 2009

The latest action of the Caledonia Peacekeepers:

Mayor Trainer and Council

45 Munsee Street North

P. O. Box 400

Cayuga, Ontario

Canada, N0A 1E0

July 13, 2009

Re: Illegal Smoke Shops

Dear Mayor Trainer:

I would like to express my appreciation that Haldimand County has taken steps against the illegal smoke shop on Ernie Palmer's property. This is encouraging to the residents of Caledonia. Haldimand County is starting to stand behind their bylaws.

I would also like to point out that Mr. Palmer is just an average person - a retired farmer - caught in the middle of a greater problem. To my knowledge Haldimand County has not been willing to enforce their bylaws when it comes to the property owner of DCE, the McGuinty Government, or the property owners where the other smoke shops have been operating for the past 2 years.

Can you provide me with the dates when Haldimand County issued fines against the property owners where the other smoke shops are located? This means that there should be fines against Six Nation's Band Council and Hydro One.

Furthermore, can you provide me with a list of fines that Haldimand County issued against the McGuinty Government for the endless violations of bylaws that have occurred over the past 3 years?

What I am asking is whether Haldimand County is willing to go after the bigger fish that have allowed smoke shops on their properties for over 2 years?

Haldimand County didn't spend a year negotiating with Mr. Palmer to have the smoke shop removed. I am wondering when the County will enforce the bylaw(s) against the other property owners. I believe the lack of action by Haldimand County has emboldened these smoke shop owners.

Sincerely,

Doug Fleming

Caledonia Peacekeepers

I have no problem with people exercising their right to question our governments.

I've heard though that Hydro One unloaded the land to the County recently, and the County is careful about biting the provincial 'hand that feeds them'.

Band Council bought the land outright 13 years ago, but the feds haven't 'added it to the reserve' yet. :rolleyes:

But all worth asking ...again.

edit/add I notice he left out one or more smoke shops ... ?

Edited July 16, 2009 by tango

AngusThermopyle · July 16, 2009

I never accused any poster here of being a nazi. mdancer did.

You are correct, you haven't. However what you do is things like this.

Yup you got the lingo down pat.
Just like Gary, Mark and Jeff.

This is what you posted in answer to WB's post. I guess you didn't like it so you decided to class WB with those named, whom you have upon numerous occasions declared to be White Supremecists and Neo Nazis. By doing so you imply that WB is in fact a WS or NN, not very subtle but clear of meaning anyway.

Would it not be better if we were to avoid these types of rebutals and instead replied in a well thought out manner? It does nothing to further or help your message and in fact just about garantees it won't be heard.

tango · July 16, 2009

You are correct, you haven't. However what you do is things like this.
This is what you posted in answer to WB's post. I guess you didn't like it so you decided to class WB with those named, whom you have upon numerous occasions declared to be White Supremecists and Neo Nazis. By doing so you imply that WB is in fact a WS or NN, not very subtle but clear of meaning anyway.

Would it not be better if we were to avoid these types of rebutals and instead replied in a well thought out manner? It does nothing to further or help your message and in fact just about garantees it won't be heard.

There are white supremacist thinkers who don't belong to clubs.

I'm pointing out similarities with people from known organizations, for consideration.

Wild Bill · July 16, 2009

There are white supremacist thinkers who don't belong to clubs.
I'm pointing out similarities with people from known organizations, for consideration.

No, you're not!

You're simply labeling anyone who disagrees with your premises in an ad hominem manner.

You are right and anyone who disagrees must be evil. You rewrite history to benefit your own arguments, in the face of videotape.

If you looked in a dictionary under the word 'zealot'...

You actually do the Six Nations protesters a disservice, by making them look irrational. There is no point in dealing with irrational people. The most you can do is ignore them unless they get violent, at which point you use whatever force is necessary to lock them into a rubber room.

I refuse to feed the troll any longer. I'm off to the control panel to add to my 'ignore' list.

tango · July 16, 2009

No, you're not!
You're simply labeling anyone who disagrees with your premises in an ad hominem manner.

You are right and anyone who disagrees must be evil. You rewrite history to benefit your own arguments, in the face of videotape.

If you looked in a dictionary under the word 'zealot'...

You actually do the Six Nations protesters a disservice, by making them look irrational. There is no point in dealing with irrational people. The most you can do is ignore them unless they get violent, at which point you use whatever force is necessary to lock them into a rubber room.

I refuse to feed the troll any longer. I'm off to the control panel to add to my 'ignore' list.

:rolleyes: Well that's a relief.

I'm very aware of the laws on defamation, so I don't label anyone anything, unless they have already identified themselves by belonging to a white supremacist or neo-nazi organization or openly supporting them, like Paul Fromm, Melissa Guille, Dave Ruud and others. Gary McHale, Jeff Parkinson and Mark Vandermaas deny those connections, but think in the same way, and the neos and supremies come to their anti-native rallies.

If you don't realize who these people are, they can suck you in to their white supremacist thinking. That's their M.O. - that's how they recruit.

I think it's important for people here to know who they are dealing with.

Edited July 16, 2009 by tango

charter.rights · July 16, 2009

Well that's a relief.
I'm very aware of the laws on defamation, so I don't label anyone anything, unless they have already identified themselves by belonging to a white supremacist or neo-nazi organization or openly supporting them, like Paul Fromm, Melissa Guille, Dave Ruud and others. Gary McHale, Jeff Parkinson and Mark Vandermaas deny those connections, but think in the same way, and the neos and supremies come to their anti-native rallies.

If you don't realize who these people are, they can suck you in to their white supremacist thinking. That's their M.O. - that's how they recruit.

I think it's important for people here to know who they are dealing with.

At the rate Bill is going he's not going to ave anyone to discuss things with...or even challenge his thinking...because ~everyone~ will be on his "ignore list". So sad for Bill that he isn't willing to listen to others with opposing views and is so dogmatic about his beliefs he is afraid to even read something alternative.

In a satirical kind of way I feel sorry for WB. He is like a kid to keeps tripping over the same stone and then blames the stone for being in his way.