jdobbin Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 It's not as if there was bombshell news to report in that binder anyway, All CTV has really proven is that they can't be trusted. They did their part during the election for the Conservatives. You just didn't appoint enough of them to the Senate. Quote
waldo Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 So, if a woman left her purse behind in the green room, would CTV be justified in making copies of any personal documents found inside, and presenting those on the news? I'd think they'd be brought up on charges if they did so. How is this different, especially when they were acutely aware that the documents were classified as "secret". If anything, it's worse on CTV's part.It's not as if there was bombshell news to report in that binder anyway, All CTV has really proven is that they can't be trusted. apparently, to you, the issue/story is all about CTV... nice (attempted) deflection of another Conservative gaffe. bombshell news? I guess what's described as "essential active commercial information", with the potential to impact the sale of AECL, wouldn't be categorized as "bombshell" to foundering, flubbering, floundering Conservatives! Quote
Muddy Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Lets see now! Your Mom and Dad supposedly brought you up to be honest and charitable person. You find something that has been lost of value or not. Is it not good manners to contact the person who lost it. Well thats what my Mom taught me. Maybe others were not brought up with the grace and honesty that my poor old Mom had. Meanwhile the hollering is overstated in the House. Quote
waldo Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Lets see now! Your Mom and Dad supposedly brought you up to be honest and charitable person. You find something that has been lost of value or not. Is it not good manners to contact the person who lost it. Well thats what my Mom taught me. Maybe others were not brought up with the grace and honesty that my poor old Mom had.Meanwhile the hollering is overstated in the House. oh please! Don't be blamin' Conservative TeleVision Quote
Keepitsimple Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Lets see now! Your Mom and Dad supposedly brought you up to be honest and charitable person. You find something that has been lost of value or not. Is it not good manners to contact the person who lost it. Well thats what my Mom taught me. Maybe others were not brought up with the grace and honesty that my poor old Mom had.Meanwhile the hollering is overstated in the House. Like I said....it just doesn't sit well with me. It's bad enough that we're losing faith in our politicians. It would have been nice to see CTV take a more professional and yes, gracious approach - immediately call Lisa Raitt....but still report the story...... but in a less incendiary fashion. Naive perhaps.....but it just bothers me. I would feel the same way if this happened to the LIberals or NDP if they were the government. Quote Back to Basics
ToadBrother Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 So, if a woman left her purse behind in the green room, would CTV be justified in making copies of any personal documents found inside, and presenting those on the news? I'd think they'd be brought up on charges if they did so. How is this different, especially when they were acutely aware that the documents were classified as "secret". If anything, it's worse on CTV's part.It's not as if there was bombshell news to report in that binder anyway, All CTV has really proven is that they can't be trusted. It's different because it's a government document, paid for by the public purse and thus belonging to the public. It's not a private document, it's a secret government document. Reporters throughout the history of modern journalism have gone to rather great lengths to get their hands on what governments don't want them to see, so why would they not take advantage of it? That's their job, to report things, even things that governments don't want them to report. In fact, I think it's their duty to especially report things that government doesn't want them to report. Quote
ToadBrother Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Lets see now! Your Mom and Dad supposedly brought you up to be honest and charitable person. You find something that has been lost of value or not. Is it not good manners to contact the person who lost it. Well thats what my Mom taught me. Maybe others were not brought up with the grace and honesty that my poor old Mom had.Meanwhile the hollering is overstated in the House. If there's one thing journalists have never been, it's well-mannered. I don't know what fantasy land you're living in, but journalists throughout modern history have done all sorts of borderline things to get a scoop. Remember Deep Throat? Quote
capricorn Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Reporters throughout the history of modern journalism have gone to rather great lengths to get their hands on what governments don't want them to see, so why would they not take advantage of it? That's their job, to report things, even things that governments don't want them to report. In fact, I think it's their duty to especially report things that government doesn't want them to report. Fully agree. Freedom of the press is just as important as freedom of speech. If anyone is negligent and fails to protect government documents in accordance with security rules and the media uncovers it, the media is justified in making a judgment as to whether the information should be made public, and acting accordingly. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 If it was my call I would prosecute ALL involved. The Minister, the Deputy, the staffer, the reporter, the editor and the networks executives. They were all guilty with respect to how the property of the people of Canada was handled. Quote
Topaz Posted June 5, 2009 Author Report Posted June 5, 2009 If it was my call I would prosecute ALL involved. The Minister, the Deputy, the staffer, the reporter, the editor and the networks executives. They were all guilty with respect to how the property of the people of Canada was handled. I agree to a point, BUT Harper made this big speech when he fired Bernier about how ministers were responsible for their documents and no minster would keep their jobs if they did what Bernier did. It shouldn't matter were the document was left, the point is it was left behind unsecured. If its serious enough for someone to lose their job, then its serious enough for the minister to do the same. It shouldn't really surprise Canadians that she not leaving because she not the first minister to have serious questions, and wasn't fired. I wonder if the 26 year old got a good letter from the minister for her next job or will she end up on EI? Quote
capricorn Posted June 5, 2009 Report Posted June 5, 2009 the 26 year old I really can't understand what the fixation is with the age of the aide. Almost everything I read mentions her age. Is the implication that she is young? That she was taken advantage of because of her age? I don't get it. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
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