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I wonder to a bit, but I think I trust the independence of Elections Manitoba.

[punked]

Or they will reform their fundraising as other provincial Liberal and the federal Liberals have done.

Ohhh you mean like in Manitoba and Saskatchewan, yah the Liberals are doing great out there eh...........

[jdobbin]

Ohhh you mean like in Manitoba and Saskatchewan, yah the Liberals are doing great out there eh...........

I don't know anything about how Sasktchwan Liberals raise money but the provincial Liberals of Manitoba raised the most they've done in the last election. It was enough to run a full slate and have what many considered to be the best fleshed out policies. Half of the legislation last year that was passed started off as a Liberal or Opposition private members bill.

As I've said, Gary Doer is a populist. There hasn't been the like of that in any NDP party in Canada and as such he is able to win majorities with ease. Having said that, if you are looking for real social democratic change, you won't find it from the NDP in Manitoba. They have been fairly risk adverse and run what many think is a centrist, even Liberal government.

[punked]

I don't know anything about how Sasktchwan Liberals raise money but the provincial Liberals of Manitoba raised the most they've done in the last election. It was enough to run a full slate and have what many considered to be the best fleshed out policies. Half of the legislation last year that was passed started off as a Liberal or Opposition private members bill.

As I've said, Gary Doer is a populist. There hasn't been the like of that in any NDP party in Canada and as such he is able to win majorities with ease. Having said that, if you are looking for real social democratic change, you won't find it from the NDP in Manitoba. They have been fairly risk adverse and run what many think is a centrist, even Liberal government.

There you go again, Liberals taking credit for the NDP's success. Gary Doer, runs his province like Tommy Douglas and if you add their NDP governments total years together they make up the vast majority of NDP governments. Doer runs Manitoba like an NDPer. The problem was in Ontario the Liberal Bob Rea ran his Ontario like a Liberal. Not only that but you want me to believe that half the legislation in Manitoba's 57 seat government came from the 2 Liberal's there? Now you are just being ludicrous. The Liberals died in Sask and Manitoba as soon as the money from the cooperations was cut off. Same thing would happen in NS although it would take a little long with their slush fund money still there.

Edited June 11, 2009 by punked

[jdobbin]

There you go again, Liberals taking credit for the NDP's success.

There isn't any denying that half the bills last year started off as Liberal or Opposition private members bills. There isn't any getting around that. It is the highest proportion that I know of anywhere.

Gary Doer, runs his province like Tommy Douglas and if you add their NDP governments total years together they make up the vast majority of NDP governments.

That's not exactly how many people would describe how Doer runs the province. There is not so much social democrat in Doer as many think

Doer runs Manitoba like an NDPer.

Once again, there is very little semblance between Doer and say, the NDP federally,

The problem was in Ontario the Liberal Bob Rea ran his Ontario like a Liberal.

Denying Rae was an NDP or saying he ran things like a Liberal ignore the fact that there was Liberals in that province who did things quite differently than he.

Not only that but you want me to believe that half the legislation in Manitoba's 57 seat government came from the 2 Liberal's there? Now you are just being ludicrous.

Half the legislation came from the Opposition, with the largest portion coming from two Liberal members. I know you don't believe it but is true. Manitoba is very light in government bills and half of them started on the Opposition side of the house.

The Liberals died in Sask and Manitoba as soon as the money from the cooperations was cut off. Same thing would happen in NS although it would take a little long with their slush fund money still there.

The Liberals have not been in power in Manitoba since the 1950s. Corporation funding only ended recently.

Part of the reason why the Liberals did not do well in the 1970s was anti-Semitic feelings towards its leader. This is well documented. There was a rise in the Liberals in the 1980s but organizationally, they were no match for the union support the NDP got. That much is a fact as well

Now, the NDP has a populist as leader. It remains to be seen what happens when he leaves. There is some evidence that the party will have a hard time finding anyone with Doer's credentials.

[punked]

There isn't any denying that half the bills last year started off as Liberal or Opposition private members bills. There isn't any getting around that. It is the highest proportion that I know of anywhere.

Denying it right here until this is evidence otherwise.

That's not exactly how many people would describe how Doer runs the province. There is not so much social democrat in Doer as many think

Yes increasing medical funding to the highest per capita in Canada and education as well is very not social democrat of him. Oh wait it is the opposite. Not like the Liberals who bottom loaded the system in the 90's so every province had to cut. Again you are trying to take credit where your party almost killed the system.

Once again, there is very little semblance between Doer and say, the NDP federally,

I agree much like the Liberals Federally don't resemble the Liberals in NS, NB, SK, MB, PQ,BC or Newfoundland. Does that make them not Liberal? Doer has much more NDP in him then Layton does.

Denying Rae was an NDP or saying he ran things like a Liberal ignore the fact that there was Liberals in that province who did things quite differently than he.

Funny I would say the samething about Doer when you called him a Liberal but I know for a Liberal it is ok for them to do something but no one else right?

Half the legislation came from the Opposition, with the largest portion coming from two Liberal members. I know you don't believe it but is true. Manitoba is very light in government bills and half of them started on the Opposition side of the house.

See this is where you change your story first it was Half came from the Liberals, now it is half came from opposition and "most" of that came from the liberals which one is it?

The Liberals have not been in power in Manitoba since the 1950s. Corporation funding only ended recently.

Part of the reason why the Liberals did not do well in the 1970s was anti-Semitic feelings towards its leader. This is well documented. There was a rise in the Liberals in the 1980s but organizationally, they were no match for the union support the NDP got. That much is a fact as well

Now, the NDP has a populist as leader. It remains to be seen what happens when he leaves. There is some evidence that the party will have a hard time finding anyone with Doer's credentials.

Well I don't live in the future we will see.

Edited June 11, 2009 by punked

[jdobbin]

Denying it right here until this is evidence otherwise.

Thought you might. However, it is common knowledge here just as the slush fund you keep talking about is common knowledge in Nova Scotia.

Here is just the latest bill that the Liberals introduced and will likely be recreated by the government:

Winnipeg Free Press

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/no-...s-46802897.html

Liberal Leader Jon Gerrard said he saw no reason why the bill shouldn't have been approved by the NDP majority as it would reduce the number of injuries to children in car crashes and reduce costs to the health-care system.

The bill would have mandated older children to use a booster seat until they're big enough to use a regular seatbelt.

"There's a safety issue here," Gerrard said. "This is legislation which is now in seven provinces."

A spokesman for the Manitoba Car Seat Coalition said it will lobby the NDP to change their minds.

And they may do that. The Doer government has a history of reworking opposition private member's bills into their own legislation.

Now, am I lying?

This seemed an easy bill to pass and is in seven provinces. What gives? Yeesh. Once again, risk adverse and the bill gets introduced by the Liberals only to be killed for no reason and then showing up again a few weeks later as a new bill.

Doer is generally risk adverse.

The Liberals and Opposition introduced half the bills last year that were eventually adopted as legislation.

Yes increasing medical funding to the highest per capita in Canada and education as well is very not social democrat of him. Oh wait it is the opposite. Not like the Liberals who bottom loaded the system in the 90's so every province had to cut. Again you are trying to take credit where your party almost killed the system.

I think you forget the hallway medicine that the NDP is responsible for. What was Doer doing? Cutting taxes at the time.

I agree much like the Liberals Federally don't resemble the Liberals in NS, NB, SK, MB, PQ,BC or Newfoundland. Does that make them not Liberal?

Liberals in B.C. and Quebec are a whole different bird from say Liberals in Ontario, Manitoba and federally. One looks at who those provincial wings support will tell you that much.

Doer has much more NDP in him then Layton does.

This sounds like a battle of the NDP. You don't think that Layton is a social democrat?

Funny I would say the samething about Doer when you called him a Liberal but I know a Liberal it is ok for them to do something but no one else right?

Until Rae jumped ship, he was considered a loyal NDP. How quickly things have turned and now there is denial that he ever was one.

I have said that Doer is a populist and governs from the center. No other leader of the NDP has governed so close to the center and that is why political analysts say that Doer governs from the position the Liberals usually occupy. Doer is fairly far removed from Pawley and Shreyer in his government's record.

See this is where you change your story first it was Half came from the Liberals, now it is half came from opposition and "most" of that came from the liberals which one is it?

Think I was quite clear. Half of last year's legislative agenda started off as private member's bills. The majority of that half started off as Liberal initiatives.

Bills on same sex adoption, apologies from the medical community being inadmissible in court, plastic bags, bans on smoking on school property and several other bills started off as private member's bills.

This isn't news to anyone around here. The Liberal leader is no where near as popular as Doer is but he is routinely regarded as one of the harder working parliamentarians and private member's bills that the NDP generally would have introduced start off with him.

Well I don't live in the future we will see.

Speculation is rife in Manitoba. There is no one who stands out head and shoulders above Doer. Some think Blaikie will take over but he doesn't nearly the same popularity that Doer does. Nor is as centrist.

Doer can walk into a store and literally is a superstar in terms of warmth people towards him. There has not been a premier like him in Manitoba in many decades.

Edited June 11, 2009 by jdobbin