Time For a New Party

[CAMP]

CAMP - it's still vague. "And then proportional representation" ... just like that you write it without explanation of who, how, when, where etc.

Also you say education "...would be established." By whom ? When ? How ? Here's a hint, don't use the passive voice when writing these things.

I think CAMP would accomplish more as a political action group rather than as a party. How many people are in CAMP now ?

I can go into how proportional representation works but I think it would be best to study the WIKI site for that so you will understand the types that exist. The two main ones are mixed member proportional (MMP) and single transferable vote (STV) go to the WIKI site ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation to read up. Please realize I can't put everything on the CAMP site and explain it in detail, this would just cause the website to get too large and cumbersome. As far as education and installing it, this must be done via the provincial governments (because they are responsible for education). Obviously federal and provincial governments would have to consult as to getting this done.

Dynamic Democracy is explained in a straight forward manner how the system would work. I think the problem here is the website holds a wealth of information to digest and have it understood. I will be adding audio to each page in the near future and revamp the website to a more modern looking site.

To register a party in Canada you need 250 endorsements filled out and at least one person to run in any riding in Canada along with a few officers. Presently we have approx 35 people who have run before as Independents and some who would like to run in the next election along with many other Canadians who want change.. When we are ready (and it will be soon) we'd like to have 500 members. Once that is achieved we will fill out the endorsements and then register the party. Elections Canada scrutinizes each endorsement, they will eliminate any they can't verify. 500 endorsements pretty much guarantees registration.

We are slowly organizing the Independent candidates that ran in the last election that were normal candidates and not crack pots. (There are some strange people who run as independents) To run as an Independent all you need is 100 endorsements and 1000 bucks, so anyone with the gumption may run. Everything from pot legalizers to out right idiots have done this and have given a bad rap to the real Independents who don't want to be stuck in a partisan party, yet are real Canadians who want to represent their riding. (W CAMP is set up to eliminate partisan politics. I have two audio clips of an online radio station available for your listening found on the CAMP website under the CAMP NEWS page that explains the discrimination that Independents face vs being in a party. After you listen to the rules parties have made up to their benefit you may realize just how democracy becomes eroded with out the main population knowing.

[benny]

This party has a primary goal of improving Canada in an on going fashion. The 5 issue cycle would have a time frame that would allow public input, polling, and then democratic results.

To me, your democratic innovations can be easily adopted by existing political parties. For this reason, I also think CAMP would accomplish more as a political action group rather than as a party.

When you write "public input" you seem to imply the input of aggregations of individuals. To me, democracy can do better than welcoming the input of individuals, who may all be pathologically narcissistic.

[CAMP]

To me, your democratic innovations can be easily adopted by existing political parties. For this reason, I also think CAMP would accomplish more as a political action group rather than as a party.

When you write "public input" you seem to imply the input of aggregations of individuals. To me, democracy can do better than welcoming the input of individuals, who may all be pathologically narcissistic.

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Hmmm interesting so you feel that the majority of Canadians wouldn't participate in the polling perhaps, or if they do they would be self centered egotistical types. I don't know what country or place in the country you’re living in, but most every one I chat with is fairly normal and able to handle answering a poll with reasonable wisdom. Also notice if you haven't read the methods, that there would be a period of fact gathering and educating the public on each issue both online and in the newspapers, so they can make a wise decision when they vote/poll.

You’re assuming Canadians would not want to be involved, and you may be right, (but let's hope not). Those that do will have their voice heard and for those who prefer not to due to laziness or other reasons we have addressed this issue.. For those Canadians who don't want to bother with polling and getting involved in their countries political decisions other than to vote once every 4 years ( more like every year now) (both accounts sad really)

There is an exclusion to proxy there polling inputs to they’re MP. So essentially those numbers who do not participate because they trust they're MP can do so by relinquishing their right to poll in-between mandates.

At any rate get ready for one more political party at least and possibly a few more to dilute the vote even further and cause even more problems for our antiquated system.

[benny]

Hmmm interesting so you feel that the majority of Canadians wouldn't participate in the polling perhaps, or if they do they would be self centered egotistical types. I don't know what country or place in the country you’re living in, but most every one I chat with is fairly normal and able to handle answering a poll with reasonable wisdom. Also notice if you haven't read the methods, that there would be a period of fact gathering and educating the public on each issue both online and in the newspapers, so they can make a wise decision when they vote/poll.

I'm living in the Laurier-Sainte-Marie riding (the riding of Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe). If CAMP is about to have a candidate in each Canadian riding, I may be interested to be a CAMP candidate here. What I would like you to consider though is that politics is much more about formulating polls but about answering them. More fundamentally, I think democracy is not about educating the public about facts; it's about allowing a mass of subjective beings to act as a people.