Anti abortion ad featuring...Obama

[gordiecanuk]

You make it sound as if these problems came about because of abortion being allowed. They occured whether or not we have the abortion laws and those prone to seek abortion for your reasons as noted above will continue.

You make a good point guyser, and trying to enforce laws is expensive to boot. We should just leave things the way they are...or maybe even get rid of the laws we have on the books for things like pedophilia and incest...I mean it's not like the laws we have are preventing people from doing it anyway.

[gordiecanuk]

I see nothing wrong with creating a new abortion law, but it's not the Pro Choice side that's holding it up! It's those so called pro lifers who demand a total ban on abortion or nothing! Since they are aware that severely restricting third trimester abortion will take away their main propaganda argument against abortion -- no more bloody pictures of dead fetuses to parade around on their marches. A dead zygote just doesn't bring the donations in for the cause.

We've been up and down this issue on this forum many times and the only thing that surprised me is finding that many Canadian women who seek third trimester abortions have to go to the U.S. to have it done. All that bullshit about Canada being an abortion wild wild west as portrayed in the anti abortion propaganda, doesn't match the realities of actually getting it done, since there are fewer and fewer abortion providers in Canada as the years go by. Women living in many rural areas, away from major metropolitan centers have poor access to abortion in real life.

As for the murdering babies crapola:

Third-trimester abortions are not generally available. For instance, in Quebec, there is currently no doctor who will perform a third-term abortion unless the health of the woman is in great peril or there is a genetic disorder. Currently the province sends women who seek to have third-term abortions performed to the United States. Quebec is currently actively looking to hire a doctor to do third-term abortions, but has not been successful as of October 2004. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_C...ess_by_province

And that's why many women in the land with no abortion law, end up having to go to the United States for a late term abortion, that ironically may have been performed at an earlier stage of pregnancy if the services were available.

Wikipedia isn't the best source, given that users can update articles...With that being said Pro-Choice advocates like ARCC (Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada) say that "most" LTA are due to serious health issues, while some are due to teenagers being in denial or because of a woman in an abusive relationship.

Morgentaler gave an interview to CTV back in 2004 and echoed the sentiments regarding teenagers in denial.

[Oleg Bach]

Almost all relationships should be considered abusive. To use someone for a purpose that is within the design of healthy and natural human functions is just fine - To abuse or misuse and warp what relationships are supposedly about is not normal behaviour - for instance to marry for money - whether it be a man or woman is an abuse - to secretly carry on affairs is an abuse - to lie to a partner consistantly in order to maintain control is an abuse. For a woman to intentionally become pregnant with out prior discussion with the male is an abuse of the male. We are all going on and on about "emotional" abuse - or "physical" abuse...and we are always overly focused on abuses that fit into the realm of poitical correctness...and males are not permitted to say - I am abused. They are scoffed at...as for abortion - it's just a bad idea - as my dad use to say and he had traveled the world - "If you have true respect for people or for a woman - any woman that you consider having sex with is fit to be a wife - or don't have sex with her" - Today sex has become like food - and everyone is gorging at the buffet.

[gordiecanuk]

- Today sex has become like food - and everyone is gorging at the buffet.

Where is this buffet of which you speak? I know I could have as many dates as I want...its just that I don't like giving my CCard # out beforehand.

[Oleg Bach]

Where is this buffet of which you speak? I know I could have as many dates as I want...its just that I don't like giving my CCard # out beforehand.

Get your friend drunk and use his...The older I get the more interested I am in women. Problem is they get less interested in me. Even if you have those good looks that they say comes with age in some males --- you are like a fine bottle of wine ---- with an expirey date on it....awh - If I only knew then what I know now ----yes I ate at the buffet...and yes I had my three wives - and yes those 200 affairs as an entertainer and pirate --- now God is looking down on me and saying ----hey buddy - you had enough...damn!

[cybercoma]

Awesome ad! Opens the door for the "if only Hitler were aborted" argument.

[Oleg Bach]

Awesome ad! Opens the door for the "if only Hitler were aborted" argument.

POPE here...abort everyone and we will be sure that the devil is dead......What's next - genetic testing of a fetus to see if it is or is not corporately compliant?

[WIP]

Wikipedia isn't the best source, given that users can update articles.

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The re-editing process makes wiki articles more reliable. The first article posted on a topic may reflect the biases of that person. The ability for others to fact-check their work makes wikipedia out-perform Encyclopedia Britannica and its staff of payed editors and research assistants....it's the evolution process in action. The wikipedia approach is so successful that Britannica has thrown in the towel and will allow a user-edit feature on its own online encyclopedia.....the fat lady is warming up in the bullpen!

[WIP]

Awesome ad! Opens the door for the "if only Hitler were aborted" argument.

Exactly! And the unwanted baby that the mother was forced to bear, is more likely to grow up to be Hitler than Obama.

[guyser]

We should just leave things the way they are...

Now you're talking !

or maybe even get rid of the laws we have on the books for things like pedophilia and incest...I mean it's not like the laws we have are preventing people from doing it anyway.

It may be just me, but I dont equate , as does the law, that a crime against another living person (pedo and incest) is the same as an abortion.

[gordiecanuk]

Now you're talking !

It may be just me, but I dont equate , as does the law, that a crime against another living person (pedo and incest) is the same as an abortion.

I'm just following your line of logic guyser, you said it was gonna happen anyway...so why have laws. Maybe you don't view a 20+ week old viable fetus as a baby, I do....hell even Henry Morgentaler does.

And with incest and pedo...there isn't anyone or anything dying. Like you say...its gonna happen anyway right?

[guyser]

I'm just following your line of logic guyser, you said it was gonna happen anyway...so why have laws. Maybe you don't view a 20+ week old viable fetus as a baby, I do....hell even Henry Morgentaler does.

It is considered near impossible to get a 20+ week fetus aborted. Cant get it in Quebec. Probably not anywhere else either.

The law does not consider it a human.

And with incest and pedo...there isn't anyone or anything dying. Like you say...its gonna happen anyway right?

Both of those are crimes against a living person. Its the old 'your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.'