Smallc Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 And then they can start banning abortion and gay marriage and bring back the death penalty (I thought all life was sacred?) and all kinds of fun stuff!!!! Quote
fellowtraveller Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 My point is THEY CAN'T LEAVE without the consent of every other government in Canada. They can't be a sovereign state unless they have been allowed to leave in the first place. They can't even have a legitimate vote without the consent of the HoC. There is no justification under international law and they have no authority to do so within the constitution. They wouldn't even be able to claim a majority vote for succession unless every vote showed up at the polls and a majority of them voted to leave. In fact, Canada would have almost every right to tell the troops to go in and start shooting if that's what it took. It is only under a very small number of circumstances that they would be allowed to leave. I understand your premise, and I'm telling you that it is incorrect. They can be whatever they decide, and their voting process is theirs to determine legitimacy. Nobody asked Moscow for permission when the USSR dissolved and many soverign states were created or emerged. Kosovo did not ask Serbia for permission more recently when they declared their unilateral independence. Lets pretend your wife announces: I'm leaving. Will your response be to drag out your wedding vows, where you both promised devotion for perpetuity, and insist they apply and she cannot leave, all the while speaking to the back of the door through which she has exited? Later, you sit alone at home proclaiming you're stilll married while she is in Cancun banging the poolboy....... We came that close to division of Canada in 1996 when the Worst PM in Canadian History, Mr Chretien, sat on his hands until it nearly happened. Quote The government should do something.
madmax Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 Sorry but many union members are Tory supporters and not NDP supporters. That is correct.... Many more Union Members support Tories then the NDP. Quote
madmax Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 I really hope that the Coalition goes into power. It only has 35% of public support with 65% of Canadians against it. It will be the last time the Liberals will ever be in power again. So I say lets let them govern for what? 6 weeks? Then the Tories will gain a massive majority. They would be governing for no less then 18 months and no more then 2 years. Then the CPC may have an opportunity for Majority or the LPC an opportunity for Majority. Quote
punked Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 The problem is you need other states to recognize your independence. If they don't you are not independent. Quote
punked Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 I really hope that the Coalition goes into power. It only has 35% of public support with 65% of Canadians against it. It will be the last time the Liberals will ever be in power again. So I say lets let them govern for what? 6 weeks? Then the Tories will gain a massive majority. Not true the newest polls show 51% of Canadians for 43% against and the rest undecided you need to stop living in the past. Quote
madmax Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 During the start of the coallition, our union actually had some people out front handing out fliers supporting the coalliton and calling on members to go down to Parliament Hill to demonstrate in support. I thought Public Sector Workers could not participate in Political activities? No signs on lawns, no protesting regarding government etc.? Quote
madmax Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 Not true the newest polls show 51% of Canadians for 43% against and the rest undecided you need to stop living in the past. 16% of people support an election immediately. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 And then they can start banning abortion and gay marriage and bring back the death penalty (I thought all life was sacred?) and all kinds of fun stuff!!!! Yes restrict abortion, restore the traditional definition of marriage and bring back the death penalty for serious henious crimes such as pedophile/murders etc. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) I understand your premise, and I'm telling you that it is incorrect. They may say they have left, they may say that they are they're own, but in the legal reality, they won't be, and they have no right to leave without the permission of the rest. Its not going to happen anyway, but if it did, Canada has many options. Many more than the part that's leaving. If my wife decided to leave (I don't have one, but what you describe actually sounds like something I might do is desperation lol) until she had successfully divorced me, we would technically still be married. Edited January 3, 2009 by Smallc Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 Not true the newest polls show 51% of Canadians for 43% against and the rest undecided you need to stop living in the past. LOL, ok you can keep believing that if you want to. I hope they do it. The Tories will have a majority for at least a decade. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
fellowtraveller Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 The problem is you need other states to recognize your independence. If they don't you are not independent. How is that a problem? If Quebec , for example, separated they'd have numerous countries aligned and recognizing in hours. Countires like Iran and Syria would leap at the chance. Serbia too, any oppostrtunity for payback would be welcome. Quote The government should do something.
punked Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 LOL, ok you can keep believing that if you want to. I hope they do it. The Tories will have a majority for at least a decade. polls only work when they are for your side right? Quote
Smallc Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 The problem is you need other states to recognize your independence. If they don't you are not independent. Oh, I'm sure some countries would, but would the US if they were leaving and it wasn't legal? Would most of Europe? Quote
fellowtraveller Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 The problem is you need other states to recognize your independence. If they don't you are not independent. How is that a problem? If Quebec , for example, separated they'd have numerous countries aligned and recognizing in hours. Countires like Iran and Syria would leap at the chance. Serbia too, any oppostrtunity for payback would be welcome. Quote The government should do something.
Smallc Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 Serbia too, any oppostrtunity for payback would be welcome. Yes, we never should have recognized that. Quote
punked Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 http://www.robbinssceresearch.com/polls/poll_556.html Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 http://www.robbinssceresearch.com/polls/poll_556.html That outfit doesn't seem very reputable and seem very biased sorry. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
punked Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 That outfit doesn't seem very reputable and seem very biased sorry. It is the only poll we got in the last 3 weeks so you will have to deal with it. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 It is the only poll we got in the last 3 weeks so you will have to deal with it. Yeah as you people will have to live with a decade of majority Tory rule. The death of the Liberal Party. Ignatieff isn't stupid enough to do that anyways. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
punked Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 You act like the Tories aren't the ones falling in the polls. Everyone knows they are. Quote
Smallc Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 And, you know, governments always do so good in elections that follow recessions and deficits... Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 And, you know, governments always do so good in elections that follow recessions and deficits... Which is why I say let the Coalition hang themselves. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Boydfish Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 The bailout is not for the "workers" in case you missed it. It is for the companies, North American Auto Companies, so that they can have a harmonious closure of Canadian/Ontario Operations. The elimination of North American production has been in full swing since 2005, and part of the problems are that the companies are heavily invested in building New operations in Mexico and CHina, and with the financial meltdown in the US, the available capital to continue to downsize and relocate disappeared, concurrently with a recession in where Auto Sales of "ALL" manufacturers have been hit hard as happens in every boom and bust cycle. If you remove the spin from your statement, it doesn't change the fact that when the auto sector goes belly-up, Ottawa flings billions at them. When BC's forestry gets hit hard, there isn't so much as a token effort from Ottawa. Quote
Smallc Posted January 3, 2009 Report Posted January 3, 2009 That's because of a certain trade agreement..... Quote
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