Fiscally Conservative?

[Mr.Canada]

By that logic then, Jack Layton should have been running his election campaign from a train, and done all of his advertising through posters, and then refunded all the tax dollars used to fund his campaign. All parties are not doing well financially.

The CPC has a lot of money so I don't think you're well informed at all. The Tories membership actually supports its party with money, LPC members do not. Maybe more Torie supporters have good paying jobs, houses and cars I don't know. I wonder how much money the urban terror group known as OPAC and its members are donating. They don't work and are professional protesters.

[madmax]

Very funny. Bob Rae raised the Ont. deficit to 9 Bilion dollars in its first budget and was 40 Billion in debt by the end of term. Bob Rae created the doctor shortage in the country that we see today.

The Harper CPC are on their way. The surpluses are wasted. Their is a big difference between fiscal managers, and governments like Devine & Rae & Trudeau and Mulroney.

[madmax]

You don't like the spending now the Liberals spend much more and raise taxes but you have to have a job and a house to care about higher taxes.

So you would rather have the Green Shift plan which would cost over $40 Billion.

Did you forget the CPC are the government and have been since 2006? So far the results of the Harper fiscal regime are underwhelming.

[madmax]

BoB Rae had a 6% approval rating when he left office....he was the worst Premier in Ontario and maybe Canadian history.

Brian Mulroney had an approval rating of 6%. Brian Mulroney is the Worst Federal Leader in Canadian History. He and Harper are going to have alot in common, with their uncontrollable spending and pandering to those lined up at the trough, should they not change their spendthrift ways.

Edited November 24, 2008 by madmax

[madmax]

By that logic then, Jack Layton should have been running his election campaign from a train, and done all of his advertising through posters, and then refunded all the tax dollars used to fund his campaign. All parties are not doing well financially.

Political Party Welfare is a thread I started and I support the ending of it. Hope you voted in the forum poll that was created by another forum poster who supports that position.

We are discussing the federal government, currently run by the CPC who are not fiscally conservative. Many people want to divert attention to other parties, even if the evidence ironically supports the NDP of all parties being the best at not running deficits.

It does not matter what other parties federally are doing. The CPC is government, it is what they are doing that matters. And they are running deficits with the blessings of former Reformers in parliment.

[Shakeyhands]

well... so far the two responses that this thread has recieved from people who I would consider CPC members (based on posts) have had NOTHING to do with the original question.

Fine, we get it, Layton and Dion would have been worse, but how do you explain of the horrendous amounts of OUR money that your boys have been spending for what must amount to their vacations in far flung places all the while screaming about prudence and responsibility?

[Oleg Bach]

well... so far the two responses that this thread has recieved from people who I would consider CPC members (based on posts) have had NOTHING to do with the original question.

Fine, we get it, Layton and Dion would have been worse, but how do you explain of the horrendous amounts of OUR money that your boys have been spending for what must amount to their vacations in far flung places all the while screaming about prudence and responsibility?

What do you expect from the young new guard raised in a liberal society - Conservatism?

[Mr.Canada]

If Canada is to taken seriously on the world stage it must present itself properly. To have our PM flying coach would be not very good.

I think that you guys are getting the CPC mixed up with the GG Michelle Jean who spent $835,000 on flying around to various vacation spots.

Michelle Jean is a BQ and sometime Liberal supporter (Left winger) and former under employ of the CBC. Michelle Jean also feels she's entitled to her entitlements including taking a national CHallenger jet to fly to her house in France and to her vacation spots in the West Indies.

The Challenger jet returns to Canada each time and flies back to pick them up. It would have been cheaper to fly Michelle JEan and her family First Class. She obviously has no respect for taxpaying Canadians.

I guess if you don't have a job or house and don't pay taxes it's all free money right? Ask Jack Layton supporters many of them are unemployed.

[Oleg Bach]

Apparently no one seemed to care in the appointment of a woman that had a husband that was a domestic bandit...bandit - bandit wife? Wonder what the Queen thinks of her? I doubt very much that the Queen was pleased with her being made a personal rep...so who really makes the decision on who is going to be the GD?

[guyser]

I thought it was common knowledge as it's ancient history.

Not when it isnt true as you put it.

I have to remember that many young kids post here on MLW and may not have the knowledge that I do. There's the link at any rate.

You dont have knowledge of this so why try?

Dont fill there heads with falsehoods, hows that?

Your link says nothing what you said.

[guyser]

He totally destroyed the Ontario economy and created the doctor shortage that we are now enjoying by paying U oF T 10 million dollars to graduate 30% less doctors.

Farted again and this popped out?

[Oleg Bach]

McSwinty reminds me of a mentally over extended hyperactive Scientologist. Nothing more irritating than a kid as premier who's parents continually told him he was gifted and a genius.

[Shakeyhands]

If Canada is to taken seriously on the world stage it must present itself properly. To have our PM flying coach would be not very good.

I think that you guys are getting the CPC mixed up with the GG Michelle Jean who spent $835,000 on flying around to various vacation spots.

Michelle Jean is a BQ and sometime Liberal supporter (Left winger) and former under employ of the CBC. Michelle Jean also feels she's entitled to her entitlements including taking a national CHallenger jet to fly to her house in France and to her vacation spots in the West Indies.

The Challenger jet returns to Canada each time and flies back to pick them up. It would have been cheaper to fly Michelle JEan and her family First Class. She obviously has no respect for taxpaying Canadians.

I guess if you don't have a job or house and don't pay taxes it's all free money right? Ask Jack Layton supporters many of them are unemployed.

I haven't mentioned the PM specifically, I have no issue with him flying on a Military jet, nor do I the GG. BUT, look at the dollar amounts of those other flights. Then let's talk about who has no respect for tax paying Canadians.

Good for Harpers office for saying this will stop btw, lets see if the action it now.

[Oleg Bach]

For dumb Canadians the highest ambition is that of PM - But the Americans are more pragmatic - the most coveted position is to be head of the CIA. Now that is power..

[Argus]

Stephen Harper is like John Crosbie: cheap. IMV, Harper seriously missed a beat in the last federal election because he didn't play on this fact in his campaign in Quebec. Anyway.

Where the Tories have spent a fortune is on military crap. We bought four huge airplanes at several billion each and God-knows-how-many tanks, drones, HVs, RVs or whatever they're called. Harper is proof that the only difference between boys and men is the price of their toys.

This, of course, is utter drivel. The amount spent on military equipment to date is minimal. Even the amount promised, when spread over the number of years the equipment will be used, is minimal, and given the state of the current equipment, pretty much unavoidable.

And they are one-time charges. If you want to look at where he's been most profligate look at increasing the welfare money we send to Quebec, another 4.5 billion per year - EVERY year. And in response Charest whined that Quebec was still not getting enough welfare, and they found out Quebecers STILL wouldn't vote for them if there was a French guy running some other party.

[Argus]

Brian Mulroney had an approval rating of 6%. Brian Mulroney is the Worst Federal Leader in Canadian History.

Just because stupid people think it, that don't make it so.

[madmax]

Just because stupid people think it, that don't make it so.

Just because of this.......

Annual budget deficits ballooned to record levels, reaching $42 billion in his last year of office. These deficits grew the national debt dangerous close to the psychological benchmark of 100% of GDP, further weakening the Canadian dollar and damaging Canada's international credit rating.

Makes it so. Mulroney is the worst Prime Minister.

THe current CPC government has shown no fiscal responsibility.

[Mr.Canada]

Just because of this.......

Makes it so. Mulroney is the worst Prime Minister.

THe current CPC government has shown no fiscal responsibility.

Laurier is probably the worst PM or Trudeau.

[Shakeyhands]

Laurier is probably the worst PM or Trudeau.

ok, whatever, but are you going to comment on the CPC wasting your tax dollars on these junkets or not?

Do you by chance have ADD? Cause on an online forum, if your goal is to change the subject it's better to just not respond in in the thread.... just a thought.

[Shakeyhands]

Just because stupid people think it, that don't make it so.

And your thoughts Argus? Good use of public monies?

[Mr.Canada]

Farted again and this popped out?

It's absolutely true.

Bob Rae and deputy health minister, Michael Decter had hatched this plan.

Rae's contribution to Ontario's and Canada's present-day doctor shortage by, in effect, paying the country's largest medical school, the University of Toronto, up to $10 million to graduate 30% fewer doctors

Source

Most agree today's crisis was incubated in the early 1990s when then-premier Bob Rae decided to cut medical school enrolments in Ontario to forestall future inflation in the province's health care costs. Medical schools had their classes reduced in size by up to 15 per cent and residency positions for family doctors were trimmed.

Source

There are tons more. DO a search on the web and you'll see for yourself.

It's again common knowledge for any over the age of 30 who lived through it. You show your age yet again. Now have some respect for your elders and try learning from me. I can teach you a great many things if you would just pipe down and listen. I know that everyone is eager to post since their mom went out and you're home alone but do a bit of research first.

[Argus]

Just because of this.......

Makes it so. Mulroney is the worst Prime Minister.

Ludicrous sputter. Have a look at the world recession he governed during, the interest rates in the high double digits, and their effect on the debt Trudeau left as his legacy. We've been over this many times. The vast majority of the borrowing under Mulroney went to pay the debt servicing charges. That was why the debt kept getting higher and higher.

[Argus]

And your thoughts Argus? Good use of public monies?

A non-story. Only idealogues and veteran Harper-haters are going to be whinging about this.

The Tories spent more on travel? How were amounts calculated? Did the Star take into account the very steep increases in air fares and fuel surcharges over the period where gas went up by 200%? What about the challenger jets? No mention of them? I seem to recall when the Liberals were in office they were taking them all over the place, often on personal or party errands. And there were a lot of "meetings" in places like Melbourne and Nassau in the winter which were widely attended.

Chretien, of course, your hero, was the best. He not only flew all over the place, constantly on make-work vacations in sunny locales, he took two jets with him, the one which he flew on, and a backup jet to follow around just in case something happened to the first which might delay him. Bet you weren't crying about the cost of that back then.

[Shakeyhands]

A non-story. Only idealogues and veteran Harper-haters are going to be whinging about this.

The Tories spent more on travel? How were amounts calculated? Did the Star take into account the very steep increases in air fares and fuel surcharges over the period where gas went up by 200%? What about the challenger jets? No mention of them? I seem to recall when the Liberals were in office they were taking them all over the place, often on personal or party errands. And there were a lot of "meetings" in places like Melbourne and Nassau in the winter which were widely attended.

Chretien, of course, your hero, was the best. He not only flew all over the place, constantly on make-work vacations in sunny locales, he took two jets with him, the one which he flew on, and a backup jet to follow around just in case something happened to the first which might delay him. Bet you weren't crying about the cost of that back then.

Ahhhh... see you are mistaken, I did have issue with that. I don't think the onlne version showed all the costs of this study. Those fuel charges and surtaxes must be HUGE... some flights were 15-20K where you and I could book them for 5-6K .

You should be upset about this. If you aren't, you are much more partisian than I thought you were.

And Chretien is far from my hero, try not to generalize.

[madmax]

Laurier is probably the worst PM .....

LOL.