a new political party?

[DinoValente]

I am pleased to announce the formulation of a new political party, The Radical Renewal Party. We are a non hierarchical collective dedicated to reform and change both within the system and without. Every decision made by the party will be by concesus or it will not happen.This organization will always be a work in progress. The spirit of the thing, however, remains the same.

We are concerned with the equality of ALL living creatures, both animal and plant.

We will put an end to the speciesism that places a higher value on human life than non human animal life. We are not automatically opposed to the eating of meat, but we are opposed to the mistreatement of animals that comes with the factory farms and mass production of meat

We are in favour of the redistribution of wealth and property with a focus on returning the land to the aboriginals from whom it was stolen.

We propose reforming the prison system and implementing harm reduction instead of minimum sentencing and overcrowded prisons.

We propose reinstituting the Keynesian economic system.This theory calls for saving in times of economic prosperity so there is money to reinvigorate the economy in times of recession

comments questions anyone? feel free to email us at [email protected]

[Who's Doing What?]

You need a concensus to make a decision?

Good luck deciding on lunch. lol

[William Ashley]

Hi you are invited to be an adviser for my party, the Social Party.

I support reform reform of the judicial and electoral systems. First by implementing an elective Justice system for arbitration at first instance, to see if crimes can be resolved through agreement, eg. restitution. Prior to clogging the justice of the peaces or provincial court judges, these people elected by their jurisdiction populus would act by hearing the case. In this way I would like to empower the victim to set reasonable guidelines for the type of justice they would like to see. So that they arn't victimized a second time, by creating an enemy for life, or receiving no direct compensation for losses. These arbitrators would be voluntary positions, with modest renumeration for supplies. They would have no power to enforce a sentence that results in jail time, and would be a type of diversion coordinator. They could also hear traffic ticket appeals, by law fines, and other such non criminal hearings, including family court. Entry to this would be up to the victim and suspect mutually agreeing to the hearing. Likewise I support a 100% right to self representation in a trial. I also support the removal of the need of procedural formality during a trial. A trail should be a trial of discovery, not a trial of systematics. While procedure is a benifit it should not impede the function of discovery. This would be an extension of the office of the attorney general who would opt to divulge the powers of dismisal of a court hearing on the advice of the magistrate - or magistrate courts under the attorney general. (since the attorney general has the power to dismiss a court process - this is the only means I can think of to make it legal, based on supravires subvires etc.. issues). These would have a pool of magistrates elected by public vote, who would hear the cases at first instance. The case would always go to the person with the highest vote provided they were available based on booking queing. Eg. if it took 20 magistrates to hear cases daily then it would cycle through the top 20 magistrates. Should there be a greater or lesser workload only the magistrates from the top would be needed. Although the magistrate assigned would have the option to assign another magistrate with the proper qualifications (passing a government approved magistrate course) to act as a proxy on the hearing. However the nature of the hearing would be anonymous until revieled so that they could not fix who would hear any specific case.

As for the electoral system I beleive there should be more representation and everyones vote should count when making legislation, to do this a new house would be created under the commons where those people would represent their voters, rather than a constituency. All people who receive a vote would be part of it.

Also I propose a second house that does not pool the vote on a regional riding, but instead throughout the totality of Canada, to create a Federal Council, based on popular vote. Likewise they would vote based on the number of votes they received Federally. I feel this may be very benificial for hiring of political staff or forming a cabinet within the houses of parliament, but not being held to only the commons, and rarely used senate. It would also give a larger base for hearings and committees. And provide for a larger base of people voice in parliamentary procedure.

I think that the aboriginals do need to be in consultation with the government to resolve any land disputes, and insure our brothers do not suffer from living conditions. I think that nationalization of the natural resources of Canada is a means to insure more control over the distrobution of wealth in Canada. Likewise creating a public national bank of Canada, to offer non investment banking are ways for Canada to insure an equal playing field for all Canadians. Arbitrarily the government intervention like was $70,000, as that is a solid income level to meet the daily needs - of course changed on a basis of the Cost of Living Index. To offset high corporate income taxes part of the corporate income taxes would go directly to corporate ministeries such as industries canada, border services etc.. with a lobby request from corporations on how those funds should be spent.

Likewise with each income tax filing - and only people earning more than 70,000 would be required to file, there would also be a suggestion box, HOW would you like your tax dollar spent, or atleast an online number given to provide the suggestion.

I also feel reform to corrections is needed by offer a reduced sentence to Development Project Participants or DPP's. They would help in infrastructure projects. This program would not be offered to high risk offenders. However a second Northern Works project in concert with the Canadian Military would be made available to long term and high risk offenders. To work in the great outdoors on projects and training, and a chance for relocation.

Having a military service option for high risk offenders for long term offenders - eg people serving a sentance of more than 5 years would be allowed to enter military service in the Aussie Corps. They would be deployed overseas for training, and not eligible for return until after their prison term was completed. They would have the option of staying on in the forces should they serve well. They would not be allowed outside of secure facilities until their term was complete.

I am pleased to announce the formulation of a new political party, The Radical Renewal Party. We are a non hierarchical collective dedicated to reform and change both within the system and without. Every decision made by the party will be by concesus or it will not happen.This organization will always be a work in progress. The spirit of the thing, however, remains the same.

We are concerned with the equality of ALL living creatures, both animal and plant.

We will put an end to the speciesism that places a higher value on human life than non human animal life. We are not automatically opposed to the eating of meat, but we are opposed to the mistreatement of animals that comes with the factory farms and mass production of meat

We are in favour of the redistribution of wealth and property with a focus on returning the land to the aboriginals from whom it was stolen.

We propose reforming the prison system and implementing harm reduction instead of minimum sentencing and overcrowded prisons.

We propose reinstituting the Keynesian economic system.This theory calls for saving in times of economic prosperity so there is money to reinvigorate the economy in times of recession

comments questions anyone? feel free to email us at [email protected]

Edited October 26, 2008 by William Ashley

[madmax]

I am pleased to announce the formulation of a new political party, The Radical Renewal Party. We are a non hierarchical collective dedicated to reform and change both within the system and without. Every decision made by the party will be by concesus or it will not happen.This organization will always be a work in progress. The spirit of the thing, however, remains the same.

We are concerned with the equality of ALL living creatures, both animal and plant.

We will put an end to the speciesism that places a higher value on human life than non human animal life. We are not automatically opposed to the eating of meat, but we are opposed to the mistreatement of animals that comes with the factory farms and mass production of meat

We are in favour of the redistribution of wealth and property with a focus on returning the land to the aboriginals from whom it was stolen.

We propose reforming the prison system and implementing harm reduction instead of minimum sentencing and overcrowded prisons.

We propose reinstituting the Keynesian economic system.This theory calls for saving in times of economic prosperity so there is money to reinvigorate the economy in times of recession

comments questions anyone? feel free to email us at [email protected]

You could join the Animal Alliance Party.

That said, with the Trend to Neo Con, Neo Liberal, I think you should take a look at the NEO RHINO party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neorhino.ca

The party was founded by François "Yo" Gourd, who was involved with the former Rhinoceros Party. He stated he named the new party for the Rhinoceros Party and for Neo, the Matrix character. The party is currently led by Richelle Cloutier.

It promises, like its predecessor, not to keep any of its promises if elected. Among its early platform planks was to "take away soldiers' weapons, replace them with paintball guns, and repaint Havana." The party has also proposed a mandatory national gas barbecue registry, a guaranteed weekly orgasm and the creation of an army of clowns to travel the world promoting peace and laughter.

[DinoValente]

Hi you are invited to be an adviser for my party, the Social Party.

You have some good points in your critique of the justice system, but the whole voting for judges thing doesn't work so well in the U.S., at least as far as I can tell. Your proposal for arbitration first then proceeding to a vote is a great one, but how would it work in the case of Paul Bernardo? (I know he's an extreme example) What could he do to provide restitution? Also, there needs to be a way to ensure that the person suspected of the crime actually did it, maybe a pre-arbitration trial or something?

Our electoral system isn't really broken except for the First Past The Post idea. Because of that there hasn't been a legitmate (by which i mean the majority of popular vote) in Ontario for.....a really long.

We agree with the nationalization of all resources and brining the aboriginals back to the table, and we already have a public national bank. 70 000 seems to be a bit low for the taxation rate, but that's a minor quibble.

You have some really good ideas, but the forced military enlisting is a little too far for us. We feel that the prisoner should have a choice between execution, hard labour and, as you suggested, overseas military service.

You could join the Animal Alliance Party.

That said, with the Trend to Neo Con, Neo Liberal, I think you should take a look at the NEO RHINO party.

I've never heard of the Animal Alliance Party, I'll definately check them out though. And the Rhino party is a joke, while we won't take ourselves too too serilously, we are a serious movement

[normanchateau]

They're currently a Vancouver municipal rather than federal party and their platform is work less. The Work Less Party:

http://www.worklessparty.org/

[kengs333]

I am pleased to announce the formulation of a new political party, The Radical Renewal Party. We are a non hierarchical collective dedicated to reform and change both within the system and without. Every decision made by the party will be by concesus or it will not happen.This organization will always be a work in progress. The spirit of the thing, however, remains the same.

How many of you are there--aside from yourself?

I applaud your desire to contribute to the political process in this country, but let's see you get the party established and in a position to field candidates in the next election.

[DinoValente]

How many of you are there--aside from yourself?

I applaud your desire to contribute to the political process in this country, but let's see you get the party established and in a position to field candidates in the next election.

That is actually the reason I started this thread. We are a very small organization at the moment, we were very recently founded so it will be awhile before we can get the 250 sigs necessary to register as a party.

[kengs333]

We are in favour of the redistribution of wealth and property with a focus on returning the land to the aboriginals from whom it was stolen.

You're joking, right?

BTW: there already is a "First Peoples" party. They ran I believe six candidates in this last election.

Edited October 27, 2008 by kengs333

[kengs333]

Is it just me or isn't it an interesting coincidence that "charter.rights" stops posting and then "DinoValente" here suddenly shows up wanting to form a party that will "return" the land that was supposedly "stolen" from the Indians?

You know, the Germans pulled that stunt back in the 1930s--didn't go over all that well with the rest of Europe....

[DinoValente]

You're joking, right?

BTW: there already is a "First Peoples" party. They ran I believe six candidates in this last election.

That's really great to hear, but no we aren't joking. Our society functions and makes money off the land that was stolen by our ancestors from their ancestors. The word "reparations" seems to be a scary word on in our society, right up their with proletariat and bourgeoisie, but it is an idea we support.

[kengs333]

That's really great to hear, but no we aren't joking. Our society functions and makes money off the land that was stolen by our ancestors from their ancestors. The word "reparations" seems to be a scary word on in our society, right up their with proletariat and bourgeoisie, but it is an idea we support.

Should we start paying reperations to the Germans because we firebombed their cities? I think in terms of how losers have been reated throughout history, the Indians have had it pretty good. They all have the opportunity to be educated and succeed in one of the most advanced and civilized societies in human history. Many decide not to do so citing "culture" and "tradition" as excuses...

[Mr.Canada]

Should we start paying reperations to the Germans because we firebombed their cities? I think in terms of how losers have been reated throughout history, the Indians have had it pretty good. They all have the opportunity to be educated and succeed in one of the most advanced and civilized societies in human history. Many decide not to do so citing "culture" and "tradition" as excuses...

For once kengs333 says something non partisan, I fully agree with you.

[DinoValente]

Should we start paying reperations to the Germans because we firebombed their cities?

If we had gone into Germany, taken away all the rights of the German people to their native lands, had a policy of exterminition, not integration for decades and pushed them away to the fringes of society then yes we should pay the Germans reperations.

I think in terms of how losers have been reated throughout history, the Indians have had it pretty good.

Assuming you don't count the massive wars and the increadible amount of dead that came from the biological warfare both the British and the Americans carried about by giving tribes blankets with small pox and telling them it was a peace offering.

They all have the opportunity to be educated and succeed in one of the most advanced and civilized societies in human history. Many decide not to do so citing "culture" and "tradition" as excuses...

I do agree that if you are living on land that can not be sustained, then you should not be living there, which means that that the aboriginal tribes living on the edges of our civilization that relies completely on government handouts should be moved to somewhere where they can actually survive. But that rubs up against completely liberty and freedom rather quickly

For once kengs333 says something non partisan, I fully agree with you.

Simply because they agree with you does not make them non partisan

[Mr.Canada]

Simply because they agree with you does not make them non partisan

Yes, that's why I put a comma there. I thought that would have been obvious.

The fact that the idea doesn't belong to any particular party does.

But, you being in Peterborough, I understand that the water there isn't quite the same.

[DinoValente]

But, you being in Peterborough, I understand that the water there isn't quite the same.

We've also got members in Winnipeg, I don't want to know what's in that water

[kengs333]

If we had gone into Germany, taken away all the rights of the German people to their native lands, had a policy of exterminition, not integration for decades and pushed them away to the fringes of society then yes we should pay the Germans reperations.

Funny you should mention that... this is pretty much what started to happen to ethnic Germans after the Treaty of Versailles carved up former German territories and lumped them in with Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc. That got a lot of Germans pretty pissed off, and then some guy called Hitler came around and went and did something about it...

Assuming you don't count the massive wars and the increadible amount of dead that came from the biological warfare both the British and the Americans carried about by giving tribes blankets with small pox and telling them it was a peace offering.

I believe that there is only one documented incident where the British engaged in "biological warfare". But whatever the case, what do you suggest we do to componsate all those people who had ancestors scalped and tomahawked--among other grievous barbarities--by various Indian groups? What about the Indians who were always at each others' throats?

I do agree that if you are living on land that can not be sustained, then you should not be living there, which means that that the aboriginal tribes living on the edges of our civilization that relies completely on government handouts should be moved to somewhere where they can actually survive. But that rubs up against completely liberty and freedom rather quickly

Simply because they agree with you does not make them non partisan

Hold on a second... are you advocating that Indians should be forced to relacate from their "traditional" lands? Have you been in consultation with these people, or are you just another patronizing white guy who thinks he knows what's best for the Indians?

Edited October 27, 2008 by kengs333

[Mr.Canada]

Nothing is ever enough for these natives. More and more and more. We must have shelled out a Trillion dollars total. Natives should be living like kings I dont get it.

[William Ashley]

voting for judges thing doesn't work so well in the U.S.

Can you explain in more detail on how you think popular justice fails, the justice system?

How would it work in the case of Paul Bernardo?

First off, Mr Bernardo wasn't charged with a "summary offense" he was charged with an indictable offence.

I see serious crimes, vs. technical crimes. Technical crimes clog the justice system and really have little if any effect but adding red tape beaurocracy to peoples lives and making Canada a less productive country. Things like "technical crimes are using drugs privately, eg. possesion of under 5g of pot, disorderly conduct due to public intoxication, shoplifting, vandalism etc... The key to these things is insuring that people get the counselling or proper diversion program, and that the victim if there is one, gets compensation to make repairs or replace damaged or lost goods, or in the case of businesses to pay their employees or insurance company. Damaging peoples life forever is not benefiting anyone. It should be about "making a better society" not revenge. As far as serious crimes these are different in that there are two classes, accidental (I didn't mean to, and I've learned my lesson), and vagrant differences of ethical conduct intention (premeditated acts with knowledge of illegal nature of the crime, and knowing that it harms society or a person). For the Mistakes, I think people should just make up for their damage, and really get it to sink in like requiring them to heal or make good, by performing public service, bettering themselves and helping the community to rid themselves of any deamons or habits that promoted the accidental capacity. For intentional crimes, I think people need to be removed from society if they will continue to harm soceity, however if the first instance then it shouldn't be for life, but a trial period, say 5 years, in the ghulags or military service, if they do the same thing again knowing it was wrong give them life in the ghulags, or miltiary, with the option of death on their bequest.

As for Bernardo, I don't know what happened and there was a publication ban on the trial. All I can say is that his was an indictable offence and was a repeated offence, so he would be in the last class. Although he might only serve 5 years, in the case of a repeat offence life hard labour or military service, or the option of death. I am very much against unproductive and costly prison terms. We'll he could work to make canada more productive. Perhaps the victims could use the money to teach girls self defence classes, or educate girls to walk with friends or use the bus etc.. or buy tasers or OC spray or implement a "panic system" for females that sends a digital warning if a girl is ever threatened on the way home. With all sex criminals paying out for this, it would make abuductions without warning that much more difficult. And all paid by previous sex offfenders.

As for arbitration.. I really am more leaning towards summary offences. It would be possible with serious offences, such as aggravated assault - much like a civil lawsuit. I don't think the state should be mediating personal conflicts beyon the point of insuring they get paid for their costs in the case of 911 call, etc... However in cases of Murder, this is much different because the victim is dead, and unless the person had a living will would not be able to indicate their wishes in the instance of being murdered, so the state would need to act on behalf of the victim. Crimes against the state or multiple victims which have different opinions are much different however it would be a little like a law suit. I think there is a need to have a public record, but the victims should be empowered to decide the fate of the offender.

forced military enlisting is a little too far for us.

Where did I say military enlisting would be forced? I very much don't agree with forced military enlistment, I think the military should be composed of volunteers not conscripts. As far as the military thing is concerned with convicts, is that they would have the option to serve rather than be sent to a ghulag or a longer sentence in jail, or opt for death. Obviouslly anyone who opts to sit in jail rather than work is a burdon on society and really isn't much of a benefit. I'd insure they had to grow their own food, and make their own clothes. or ship them off to baffin island or something.

It seems like we have a lot in common opinon wise.

Feel open to contact me at [email protected] Perhaps you or someone you know would be interested in running in the next election or helping in the next election.