Canada Adds 107,000 Jobs in September

[Bryan]

So some kid starts working at Tim Hortons when dad just lost his job at John Deere a few months ago...

WOW. Considering the fact that the same Statscan report says wages have increased 4.6 per cent over last year, Tim Horton's must be paying a lot!!!

[kengs333]

WOW. Considering the fact that the same Statscan report says wages have increased 4.6 per cent over last year, Tim Horton's must be paying a lot!!!

Well, in Ontario minimum wage is being increased 75 cents a year, so when it goes from $8.00 to $.8.75 that nearly a 10% increase...

What do you think was meant by the "tight labour market" reference?

A 4.6% increase is not all that significant given the astronomical increase in the cost of living across the board.

[Bryan]

Well, in Ontario minimum wage is being increased 75 cents a year, so when it goes from $8.00 to $.8.75 that nearly a 10% increase...

What do you think was meant by the "tight labour market" reference?

A 4.6% increase is not all that significant given the astronomical increase in the cost of living across the board.

It's 4.6% across the board, not just the minimum. Well ahead of the cost of living increases. It means, on average, everyone is making more than they did last year, even after inflation, even after changing jobs.

The biggest labour problem we have in this country is a shortage of workers. There are thousands and thousands of good paying jobs going unfilled because we simply do not have enough skilled people to do the work.

[jdobbin]

What gutter politics? You mean scary kitten eating gutter politics? Is that it?

Just take your lumps like a man and quit with the boo hoo crap.

I think you know what gutter politics Harper is capable. He'll Keep it up though and lose votes just short of a majority as per usual. He can't seem to help himself.

Take your minority, I guess.

[kengs333]

It's 4.6% across the board, not just the minimum. Well ahead of the cost of living increases. It means, on average, everyone is making more than they did last year, even after inflation, even after changing jobs.

The vast majority of those jobs that were created are part-time, and part-time jobs usually means minimum wage. It plays a significant influence in the determination of that figure.

The biggest labour problem we have in this country is a shortage of workers. There are thousands and thousands of good paying jobs going unfilled because we simply do not have enough skilled people to do the work.

That's all going to change shortly.

[Bryan]

The vast majority of those jobs that were created are part-time, and part-time jobs usually means minimum wage. It plays a significant influence in the determination of that figure.

By that logic you are claiming that John Deere factory workers were making LESS than minimum wage, because they are making more now at Tim Horton's, part time. Bravo, you must be consulting the same economic experts as Dion and May.

[kengs333]

By that logic you are claiming that John Deere factory workers were making LESS than minimum wage, because they are making more now at Tim Horton's, part time. Bravo, you must be consulting the same economic experts as Dion and May.

LOL Are you serious? Learn how to read. I said that their sons are working at Tim Hortons.

I am not "claiming" that people at John Deere were earning less than minimum wage at all. If you take out 800 people from an economy that employs several million people, that has little influence on the average wages figure. But if a significant number of the employed in the economy are part-time, minimum wage an increase will be reflected.

Let's say there is an economy with 100 workers; 99 get $8.00/h, one gets $30.00; the average wage is $8.22/h:

99 @ $8.00

1 @ $30.00

= $822.00 ($8.22)

Let's say that the one worker loses his job and that is replaced by an $8.00/job, and all $8.00/h jobs are raised to $8.75/h:

100 @ $8.75

= $875.00 ($8.75)

You'll notice that even though the one high paying job was replaced by a low paying job, the average wage still increased by $0.53:

$8.75 - $8.22 = $0.53

Therefore, the worker with the high wage was not in fact working for less than $8.00 as your illogic would dictate.

Edited October 10, 2008 by kengs333

[whowhere]

LOL Are you serious? Learn how to read. I said that their sons are working at Tim Hortons.

I am not "claiming" that people at John Deere were earning less than minimum wage at all. If you take out 800 people from an economy that employs several million people, that has little influence on the average wages figure. But if a significant number of the employed in the economy are part-time, minimum wage an increase will be reflected.

Let's say there is an economy with 100 workers; 99 get $8.00/h, one gets $30.00; the average wage is $8.22/h:

99 @ $8.00

1 @ $30.00

= $822.00 ($8.22)

Let's say that the one worker loses his job and that is replaced by an $8.00/job, and all $8.00/h jobs are raised to $8.75/h:

100 @ $8.75

= $875.00 ($8.75)

You'll notice that even though the one high paying job was replaced by a low paying job, the average wage still increased by $0.53:

$8.75 - $8.22 = $0.53

Therefore, the worker with the high wage was not in fact working for less than $8.00 as your illogic would dictate.

You need to reedit your post. You failed to adjust the 8.00 is your first example

Let's say there is an economy with 100 workers; 99 get $8.00/h, one gets $30.00; the average wage is $8.96/h:

99 @ $8.75

1 @ $30.00

= $896.25 ($8.96)

You'll notice that even though the one high paying job was replaced by a low paying job, the average wage still [A DECREASE] by $0.2125:

$8.75 - $8.9625 = -$0.2125

You must be on the Conservative Economics team. I am starting to clearly understand why and how the conservatives are driving Canada into deficit and debt.

[independent]

Yet the singlemost impressive jobs report in over 30 years.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/200...991291-sun.html

Job growth was mainly related to the election. Harper just has too call an election every month.

[Jobu]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/200...991291-sun.html

Job growth was mainly related to the election. Harper just has too call an election every month.

Makes perfect sense. After all, this is our first ever election.

I gues you missed the part where jobs were created in every sector of the economy, except for food service (i.e., McJobs).

[margrace]

I was watching CBC morning news this AM and they started the news with the jobs. There was a preamble of doom and gloom, how they were expecting the financial woes to manifest itself this September when they said contrary to their thoughts that the number of jobs created was a record. That there hasn't been this many jobs created since 2002....Their disappointment was palpable.

Still they were able to find the lead lining in the silver cloud....that most of the jobs were part time.

Actually all news stations were reporting that it was mostly part time jobs. So how many of these jobs are doubled up, by that I mean one person working two and even three of them. They don't report that do they? Remember Mr. Clements little problem with the Sars thing. His gov't had laid off 20% of the Bimbos/Nurses and then he discovered that not only was the epidemic in nurses and doctors but that many of his Bimbos/Nurses were working two hospitals.

Edited October 11, 2008 by margrace

[independent]

Makes perfect sense. After all, this is our first ever election.

I gues you missed the part where jobs were created in every sector of the economy, except for food service (i.e., McJobs).

"In the last two years, many new jobs have been created in resource industries such as oil and gas, mining and agriculture based in Western Canada, offsetting big losses in the manufacturing sector centred in Ontario and Quebec."

"Mulraine forecast the Canadian economy will grow by about 15,000 jobs in September, mostly due to hiring related to the Oct. 14 federal election.

"That's the only reason why we see a big bump for September," he said. "

"The Canadian job market hasn't exactly given a stellar performance this year and that's because the economy itself is in a depressed shape," TD economics strategist Millan Mulraine said, noting that the economy shrank in the first quarter and eked out only a small gain in the second.

I sure get different things from the article than you.

[kengs333]

You need to reedit your post. You failed to adjust the 8.00 is your first example

Let's say there is an economy with 100 workers; 99 get $8.00/h, one gets $30.00; the average wage is $8.96/h:

99 @ $8.75

1 @ $30.00

= $896.25 ($8.96)

You'll notice that even though the one high paying job was replaced by a low paying job, the average wage still [A DECREASE] by $0.2125:

$8.75 - $8.9625 = -$0.2125

You must be on the Conservative Economics team. I am starting to clearly understand why and how the conservatives are driving Canada into deficit and debt.

Why would I "adjust" my first example? The wage increase isn't retroactive.

So if I'm on the "Conservative Economics team," then I guess that would make you a member of the Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada?

[kengs333]

Makes perfect sense. After all, this is our first ever election.

I gues you missed the part where jobs were created in every sector of the economy, except for food service (i.e., McJobs).

Most are part-time, though.

It's so anomolous and just happens to coincide with the Conservative's desperate attempt to form a majority, that it's almost suspect.

Whatever the case, we're still at 6.1% unemployment.