jdobbin Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/508648 Justin Trudeau is the candidate to beat in his Montreal riding of Papineau, a new poll shows.Exclusive poll numbers published today in the Montreal daily LaPresse also deliver bad news for the Conservatives, including cabinet minister Michael Fortier. But as for Trudeau, the poll shows that if the election were held today, he would have the support of 40 per cent of voters in his riding, followed by 34 per cent for incumbent Bloc Québécois candidate Vivian Barbot. That's okay though. Fortier can remain in cabinet through the Senate if he promises to run in the next election. It avoids answering silly questions in the House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
independent Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/508648That's okay though. Fortier can remain in cabinet through the Senate if he promises to run in the next election. It avoids answering silly questions in the House. Justin Trudeau has been described as the closest thing to Canadian royalty. It will be interesting how he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Justin Trudeau has been described as the closest thing to Canadian royalty. It will be interesting how he does. You mean, besides our actual royalty? Odd, though; I'm fine with royal dynasties but uncomfortable with political ones. Maybe it's that politics smacks of self interest, and I can't imagine Justin Trudeau being anything but a carbon copy of his father in terms of fantastical idealism and social engineering. Actually, I can't imagine him being expected to be anything but a carbon copy of his father; I suspect people see him as the second coming of Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/508648That's okay though. Fortier can remain in cabinet through the Senate if he promises to run in the next election. It avoids answering silly questions in the House. Didn't Fortier already step down from the senate? I'd be just as happy if Harper ignored who has a seat and who doesn't, and just appointed cabinet posts to the best people for the job, even if they are not MPs or senators. I'd love to see Tom Flanagan and/or Ted Morton brought in especially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
independent Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Didn't Fortier already step down from the senate?I'd be just as happy if Harper ignored who has a seat and who doesn't, and just appointed cabinet posts to the best people for the job, even if they are not MPs or senators. I'd love to see Tom Flanagan and/or Ted Morton brought in especially. Careful that may come out sounding like there is a lack of qualified MPs which would not be a good selling point for the Tories. Having said that is will not be the first time or the last that has happened but I do not think the public in general like that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Careful that may come out sounding like there is a lack of qualified MPs which would not be a good selling point for the Tories. Having said that is will not be the first time or the last that has happened but I do not think the public in general like that idea. CPC has plenty of great people, just for some reason some of their best people like Flanagan and Finley prefer to work behind the scenes. And Morton appears to be happy with provincial politics. I'm just saying I'd like to see these guys promoted to cabinet wether they ever run as MPs or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeyhands Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Didn't Fortier already step down from the senate?I'd be just as happy if Harper ignored who has a seat and who doesn't, and just appointed cabinet posts to the best people for the job, even if they are not MPs or senators. I'd love to see Tom Flanagan and/or Ted Morton brought in especially. It's not just cabinet posts, you must be very happy despite his promises not to do so... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2...-patronage.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/508648That's okay though. Fortier can remain in cabinet through the Senate if he promises to run in the next election. It avoids answering silly questions in the House. I'm curious, as a Liberal supporter who is extremely fiscally conservative, why would you want someone like Justin Trudeau winning. If the party needs to redefine itself to compete with the tories, they need more McCallum's and less Trudeau's. As for Fortier losing, I couldn't care less, I agree with you there that it was shady of the tories to put him in cabinet without running, the voters in that riding will make the tories pay for that mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
independent Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I'm curious, as a Liberal supporter who is extremely fiscally conservative, why would you want someone like Justin Trudeau winning. If the party needs to redefine itself to compete with the tories, they need more McCallum's and less Trudeau's.As for Fortier losing, I couldn't care less, I agree with you there that it was shady of the tories to put him in cabinet without running, the voters in that riding will make the tories pay for that mistake. It is very true that Pierre Trudeau was not fiscally responsible but what has that got to do with Justin? He should be judged on his own merits. If he is any where near the leader his dad was he will be of great value to the Liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 It is very true that Pierre Trudeau was not fiscally responsible but what has that got to do with Justin? He should be judged on his own merits. If he is any where near the leader his dad was he will be of great value to the Liberals. I heard Justin Trudeau was speaking in Manitoba at the U of M and I had to see this for myself. Good God was I ever mortified. Socialism for everyone!!! If he is anywhere near his dad, the Liberals would have no relevance. It would be NDP Lite. If the Libs are purging the far left from their party like I think they are, Trudeau needs to go under the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted September 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) I'd love to see Tom Flanagan and/or Ted Morton brought in especially. Excellent idea. More people who don't have to answer questions in the House of Commons for what they do. As for Fortier: do you think he won't be back in the Senate if he loses in the election? Edited September 30, 2008 by jdobbin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted September 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I'm curious, as a Liberal supporter who is extremely fiscally conservative, why would you want someone like Justin Trudeau winning. If the party needs to redefine itself to compete with the tories, they need more McCallum's and less Trudeau's. I have stated here in this forum that I don't know enough about Justin Trudeau to know what he would be like in office. I'm just happy that he appears poised to knock off a Bloc seat. I'm happy when any party knocks off a Bloc seat. And the Liberal have recruited a variety of excellent candidate including the well respected police chief of Regina and the former president of the Federation of Agriculture. Doubtful either will win but you can't knock their credentials. Any party wouldn't have loved to have them. As for Fortier losing, I couldn't care less, I agree with you there that it was shady of the tories to put him in cabinet without running, the voters in that riding will make the tories pay for that mistake. I had no problems with Harper naming Fortier. My problem with Harper is that it seemed to go against everything he had said before on the subject of the Senate and he so cavalierly did it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I have stated here in this forum that I don't know enough about Justin Trudeau to know what he would be like in office. I'm just happy that he appears poised to knock off a Bloc seat. I'm happy when any party knocks off a Bloc seat.And the Liberal have recruited a variety of excellent candidate including the well respected police chief of Regina and the former president of the Federation of Agriculture. Doubtful either will win but you can't knock their credentials. Any party wouldn't have loved to have them. I had no problems with Harper naming Fortier. My problem with Harper is that it seemed to go against everything he had said before on the subject of the Senate and he so cavalierly did it anyway. The residents of that riding by the looks of it agree with you as far as harper/fortier go. I've seen Trudeau speak, and I couldn't tell the difference b/w him and an NDP candidate. What your saying about the police chief and Federation of Ag president (why someone in ag would go Liberal is beyond me) is in my opinion the dilemna of the Liberal party, what direction are they wanting to go, because it's either going to be Trudeau or McCallum that's going to have to give (if they both get elected) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted September 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I've seen Trudeau speak, and I couldn't tell the difference b/w him and an NDP candidate. I wouldn't know. I don't much about him. What your saying about the police chief and Federation of Ag president (why someone in ag would go Liberal is beyond me) is in my opinion the dilemna of the Liberal party, what direction are they wanting to go, because it's either going to be Trudeau or McCallum that's going to have to give (if they both get elected) I think Bob Friesen has been quite articulate as to why he is running for the Liberals. For one, he supports the Wheat Board like a lot of farmers do. As for Regina Police Chief, Cal Johnston, I have heard him speak and his ideas on crime and punishment are closer to the Liberals than the Tories. The Liberals are a centrist party. It has always been balanced between the Axworthys and the Martins, the Manleys and the Cottlers. You only want economists running for office? As I said, seems to me that the Tories would have jumped at having Friesen or Johnston running for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I wouldn't know. I don't much about him.I think Bob Friesen has been quite articulate as to why he is running for the Liberals. For one, he supports the Wheat Board like a lot of farmers do. As for Regina Police Chief, Cal Johnston, I have heard him speak and his ideas on crime and punishment are closer to the Liberals than the Tories. The Liberals are a centrist party. It has always been balanced between the Axworthys and the Martins, the Manleys and the Cottlers. You only want economists running for office? As I said, seems to me that the Tories would have jumped at having Friesen or Johnston running for them. I wouldn't want only economists, that was an example to portray the extremes of the party, you provided some more. You were right they do need a policy convention. I think having Trudeau is a bad idea, he's way too far left for the Liberals and it makes it difficult when the NDP is so much stronger now. Bob Friesen would be a good Candidate, he is more in touch with his electorate than say a Justin Trudeau. The Libs are a centrist party, they have to decide if they are a McCallum centrist or a Trudeau centrist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted September 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Bob Friesen would be a good Candidate, he is more in touch with his electorate than say a Justin Trudeau. The Libs are a centrist party, they have to decide if they are a McCallum centrist or a Trudeau centrist. For every right of center, there is a left of center. The PCs used to be like that. Now they are just right of center with few progressives left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Blue Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 I think Bob Friesen has been quite articulate as to why he is running for the Liberals. For one, he supports the Wheat Board like a lot of farmers do. Yes, and I continue to be amazed at the Liberal's outrage that 14 year olds who murder might get tougher sentences, and then argue that farmers should be put in prison for selling their wheat privately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Excellent idea. More people who don't have to answer questions in the House of Commons for what they do. Actually, that IS a great idea. The questions in the House are little more than a kindergarten screaming match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted October 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Actually, that IS a great idea. The questions in the House are little more than a kindergarten screaming match. Why doesn't Harper simply not call Parliament into session and do everything by order in council? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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