tango Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 I'm not sure how this has anything to do with the Aryan people. The Germanic peoples descend from Odin, and that's just how it is.As for where Odin comes from... the sevret knowledge of the Germanic peoples is only revealed to a select few--and that means NOT you... No he's protecting 'Aryan secrets' But again, what on earth does this have to do with candidate McHale? And "passed down to" whom? Obviously not me, not all humans, just a select few? Hmm ... which 'few' would that be?? Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
kengs333 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 Do you believe this or are yiou just yanking his chain? her, tango is a female... Quote
kengs333 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 No he's protecting 'Aryan secrets' But again, what on earth does this have to do with candidate McHale? And "passed down to" whom? Obviously not me, not all humans, just a select few? Hmm ... which 'few' would that be?? Well, the sacred knowledge is passed down to those who have proven themselves worthy and have the required characteristics... I think you're reading into this too much... Quote
tango Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) Well, the sacred knowledge is passed down to those who have proven themselves worthy and have the required characteristics... I think you're reading into this too much... worthy of what? Wearing a swastika? Come on ... tell the truth ... we know where you are going with this! What are the "right characteristics"? Come clean!! And btw ... does candidate McHale approve of you promoting white supremacy in his thread? Edited October 8, 2008 by tango Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
kengs333 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 worthy of what? Wearing a swastika? Come on ... tell the truth ... we know where you are going with this! What are the "right characteristics"? Come clean!! And btw ... does candidate McHale approve of you promoting white supremacy in his thread? What does Germanic pagan religion have to do with wearing swastikas and white supremacy? Quote
tango Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) What does Germanic pagan religion have to do with wearing swastikas and white supremacy? Well, the sacred knowledge is passed down to those who have proven themselves worthy and have the required characteristics... I think you're reading into this too much... Oh do tell me more about the "worthy" and their "characteristics". Hmm ... Odinism is ... er ... interesting: 6. The Brotherhood teaches absolute self-reliance. Members would "rather steal than accept charity." You can't be serious! Or is it ... Wotanism Wotanism is the name of a racial religion promulgated by David Lane. Wotan is the German name for the Germanic god known in Norse as Odin. Lane's Wotanism is distinctly different and separate from Odinism which is one of the names for Germanic neopaganism. Wotan is the German name for the Germanic god known in Norse as Odin. Lane's Wotanism is distinctly different and separate from Odinism which is one of the names for Germanic neopaganism. Based on the essay entitled Wotan by Carl Jung, the term Wotanism in modern times heavily emphasizes white supremacy and National Socialism (NS). W.O.T.A.N. is also used as an acronym for Will Of The Aryan Nation, used by some Wotanists.[1] Unlike Germanic neopagans, most Wotanists emphasize dualism and view the Gods as Jungian archetype. [2] [3] Wotanist groups include the Gambanreidi Statement, WotansVolk and the Temple of Wotan. WotansVolk and the Temple of Wotan were both founded under the direct influence of David Lane, by his wife Katja Lane (Katuscha Maddox) and Ron McVan, a former high ranking member of the World Church of the Creator. Which one are you? And what does this have to do with McHale? Is he one too? Good god, they are recruiting in the prisons! WotansVolk and the Temple of Wotan were known for having prisoner outreach ministries. In 2001 there were prison kindreds linked with Wotansvolk in all federal states of the USA and the groups supported more than 5000 prisoners. Research by Mattias Gardell indicated "a pagan revival among the white prison population, including the conversion of whole prison gangs to the ancestral religion.".[5] ... The Temple of Wotan dissolved and reformed into the National Prison Kindred Alliance, (NPKA) which has no relation with Wotanism. (ya right) The whole soap opera ... http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread...-23-503701.html Edited October 8, 2008 by tango Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
charter.rights Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 Not only is that not a fact, it isn't even a fact based on sketchy links. At best it is a pseudo-myth. Modern homo sapians, including europeans and amerindians all came originally from Africa. Of course if they were to postulate they are not modern homosapiens but separate species a la Neandertal, then there is no reason to consider them people. Not a pleasent line of reasoning but following the scatter brained rabbit down the hole never is as Alice learned... Ah...you have misread yet another point to satisfy your imaginary superiority..... I agree that it is a common theory that all humans originated in Africa. However, it is the migration out of Africa that is in question. 100,000 years ago they migrated to Australia. Theorists postulated that from there they may have also skipped, hopped and jumped across to Antarctica and onto South America in the last 80,000 years populating South America long before Asia was reached. Mitochonrial DNA linking genetics is a sketchy theory. All it proves is that one part of the DNA - a very small bit - connects thousands of people through their characteristics. That is to say that because Queen Elizabeth's DNA contains some 90% similarity to a fruit fly, that she must have descended from a family of fruit flies. It is not accepted wide-ranging science. It is a media hype who have latched on to the sketchy premises and tried to certify it. Maybe you should really do research on it instead of glossing over some newspaper articles and calling yourself an expert. Kengs333's Odin myth is nothing more than Aryan bunk. It says more about him than the white supremacists could say about eating grits at a Black National Convention. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
M.Dancer Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 Ah...you have misread yet another point to satisfy your imaginary superiority.....I agree that it is a common theory that all humans originated in Africa. However, it is the migration out of Africa that is in question. 100,000 years ago they migrated to Australia. Theorists postulated that from there they may have also skipped, hopped and jumped across to Antarctica and onto South America in the last 80,000 years populating South America long before Asia was reached. Nope. Not a chance. Humans didn't arrive in Australia no earlier than 55,000 years ago and they certainly didn't do it sailing to antactica. This kind of speculation usually leads to the discovery of atlantis and chariots of the gods... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 What does Germanic pagan religion have to do with wearing swastikas and white supremacy? Quite a lot. NAZI history is wrapped up in it. You should really read a book sometime. A website on the Shoah with pages on Nazi beliefs may seem a very odd place to find a page on Norse Mythology, but Norse/Aryan archetypes and symbology were absolutely integral to the beliefs of the Nazis at the highest most command. Most mythologies involve gods marrying and inter-marrying, great powers and wonders, a few battles, and spirits behind every door. What mades Norse mythology so central in the thinking of the Third Reich was its themes of war in every archetype. http://www.shoaheducation.com/thor.html#intro Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
charter.rights Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 Nope. Not a chance. Humans didn't arrive in Australia no earlier than 55,000 years ago and they certainly didn't do it sailing to antactica.This kind of speculation usually leads to the discovery of atlantis and chariots of the gods... The "speculation" is a current discussion among geologists, anthropologists and archaeologists in the mainstream scientific community. There are number of models which show connected land masses not only to Africa, but between Australia and Antarctica and Antarctica to South America. Keep in mind that no matter what ideas are floated about, they are just theories about something that is pretty difficult to prove. Now considering that the oldest evidence of human occupation of the Americas is over 60,000 years old (more than 20,000 years preceding the occupation of Europe) how would you suppose the aboriginals got here from Africa when South America is thousands of miles away from the closest African coast? Did they fly Quantus? Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
AngusThermopyle Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 Mitochonrial DNA linking genetics is a sketchy theory. All it proves is that one part of the DNA - a very small bit - connects thousands of people through their characteristics. That is to say that because Queen Elizabeth's DNA contains some 90% similarity to a fruit fly, that she must have descended from a family of fruit flies. All the above statement proves is that you are woefully ignorant of the subject. Let me guess, you suck as badly at Biology as you do Mathematics, obviously if you seriously made the above statement. The true irony of your post however is the part where you tell others to do some research. I suggest you follow your own advice. If you did you'd discover that this discipline is not "sketchy" at all as you claim it to be. Instead it is a well accepted and widely used branch of the study of DNA and the gene. Further to that you would discover that it is directly credited with major advances in multiple fields. These advances prove by actual results that mtDNA is far from sketchy, unlike your knowledge of science. So, is it your contention that all these professionals who dedicate their lives to such studies are wrong, while you are right? Is it your contention that all the advances that have been made and credited to the study of mtDNA are falsified, while only you know the truth of the matter? As usual a bunch of speculation and opinion from you with no actual knowledge, research or even a link to back it up. This link I'll provide is basically "sandbox" stuff but given your lack of understanding of this subject its probably a good place for you to start. A Good Start Now considering that the oldest evidence of human occupation of the Americas is over 60,000 years old Not that I doubt you, but, a link please. I know, I know, providing links is against your code of ethics or something. One once in a while would be nice though. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
charter.rights Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 All the above statement proves is that you are woefully ignorant of the subject. Let me guess, you suck as badly at Biology as you do Mathematics, obviously if you seriously made the above statement. The true irony of your post however is the part where you tell others to do some research. I suggest you follow your own advice. If you did you'd discover that this discipline is not "sketchy" at all as you claim it to be.Instead it is a well accepted and widely used branch of the study of DNA and the gene. Further to that you would discover that it is directly credited with major advances in multiple fields. These advances prove by actual results that mtDNA is far from sketchy, unlike your knowledge of science. So, is it your contention that all these professionals who dedicate their lives to such studies are wrong, while you are right? Is it your contention that all the advances that have been made and credited to the study of mtDNA are falsified, while only you know the truth of the matter? As usual a bunch of speculation and opinion from you with no actual knowledge, research or even a link to back it up. This link I'll provide is basically "sandbox" stuff but given your lack of understanding of this subject its probably a good place for you to start. A Good Start Not that I doubt you, but, a link please. I know, I know, providing links is against your code of ethics or something. One once in a while would be nice though. All those "professionals" are following a theory, not unlike geologists, biologists and anthropologists that veraciously pursue other theories attempting to prove the correct. Nearly two years of complete scientific obsession was dedicated to Dr. Steven Hawking's theories on space as well, only to find out they were wrong. The fact that a few (there are only about 3 major scientific studies pursuing the mtDNA genealogy project worldwide) doesn't make it mainstream science. It is a collection of data for a theory that hasn't concluded much. So far as we have is a bunch more questions. As an engineer and anthropologist I have a far better grasp on math and science than any arm-chair army grunt. Maybe in your retirement you should get off the internet and take up reading for a hobby. Much of what takes place on the internet is unbelievable hype. Serious scientists publish their work and do not disseminate the kind of bunk you attempt to certify here. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
AngusThermopyle Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 As an engineer and anthropologist Actually I was an engineer for many years, this is how I know you're full of it. An Engineer Anthropologist, now I've heard everything. Of course I'll take your claims as the bull they are, your obvious lack of knowledge in scientific and Mathematical area's illustrates more than adequately the falsifications you make. Go ahead, insult military people. The simple fact is that they are more highly trained and proficient in their disciplines than 95% of the population, few private citizens can afford to go to school and train constantly in their fields for 20 years plus. Once again you merely illustrate your prejudices and ignorance by these insults. So now here's a news flash for you with your vast and superior knowledge. The study of mtDNA does not vary or change from application to application. Instead it remains the same from application to application. It doesn't surprise me at all that you would try to compare two totally disparate disciplines as Hawkins theories and the study of mtDNA, each of them are as foreign to each other as the truth is to you. You simply cannot make that comparison in any logical way, I guess that's why it appeals to you. So, you deny all the advances made through the study of mtDNA? I figured you would, thats your way, lie and deny, nice technique. So, where are your links to back up your bull? None forthcoming? Well that's a shocker! Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
M.Dancer Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) Now considering that the oldest evidence of human occupation of the Americas is over 60,000 years old (more than 20,000 years preceding the occupation of Europe) how would you suppose the aboriginals got here from Africa when South America is thousands of miles away from the closest African coast? Did they fly Quantus? Umm no. The evidence is not good or sound....borders on wild speculation. Schurr said that conclusive evidence of stone tools similar to those in Asia and uncontaminated radiocarbon dating samples are needed to verify that the Topper site is actually 50,000 years old."If dating is confirmed, then it really does have a significant impact on our previous understanding of New World colonization," he said. But not all scientists are convinced that what Goodyear found is a human settlement. "He has a very old geologic formation, but I can't agree with his interpretation of those stones being man-made," said Michael Collins of the Texas Archeological Research Lab at the University of Texas at Austin. Collins disputes that the stone shards at the site show signs of human manipulation. http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/11/17....dig/index.html Edited October 8, 2008 by M.Dancer Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
charter.rights Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 Actually I was an engineer for many years, this is how I know you're full of it. An Engineer Anthropologist, now I've heard everything. Of course I'll take your claims as the bull they are, your obvious lack of knowledge in scientific and Mathematical area's illustrates more than adequately the falsifications you make. Go ahead, insult military people. The simple fact is that they are more highly trained and proficient in their disciplines than 95% of the population, few private citizens can afford to go to school and train constantly in their fields for 20 years plus. Once again you merely illustrate your prejudices and ignorance by these insults. So now here's a news flash for you with your vast and superior knowledge. The study of mtDNA does not vary or change from application to application. Instead it remains the same from application to application. It doesn't surprise me at all that you would try to compare two totally disparate disciplines as Hawkins theories and the study of mtDNA, each of them are as foreign to each other as the truth is to you. You simply cannot make that comparison in any logical way, I guess that's why it appeals to you. So, you deny all the advances made through the study of mtDNA? I figured you would, thats your way, lie and deny, nice technique. So, where are your links to back up your bull? None forthcoming? Well that's a shocker! "The simple fact is that they are more highly trained and proficient in their disciplines than 95% of the population...." Ha ha ha ha ha ha...... It is not a simple fact! That was just a biased opinion coming from yet another social misfit! I started anthropology as a hobby and it grew from there. My discipline is in Civil Engineering. There is nothing obtuse about it. Butr there is one thing that sets me apart from army slugs like you. I read. And I use my capacity for critical thinking to sort out the bunk from the plausible. Coming from someone who has to be told what to do each day, I hardly think you have the capacity to sort out your dirty laundry. And BTW while the Armed Forces considers pushing dirt around "engineering" it is not the same thing as a degree in the science. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
kengs333 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 Quite a lot. NAZI history is wrapped up in it. You should really read a book sometime. So basically anyone who is interested in, and studies, Northern European mythology is a Nazi? I think if you care to read a book you'd know that the Nazis had a tendancy of appropriating and warping aspects of pagan religion and Christianity to suit their Social Darwinistic/Nietzschian notions of race and racial superiority. Are you an evolutionist? Have you read Thus Spake Zarathustra? If you have, chances are that your worldview more closely resembles that of the Nazis that you think. Quote
charter.rights Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 Umm no. The evidence is not good or sound....borders on wild speculation.http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/11/17....dig/index.html Citing media as science? What will they think of next? Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
M.Dancer Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 So basically anyone who is interested in, and studies, Northern European mythology is a Nazi? I think if you care to read a book you'd know that the Nazis had a tendancy of appropriating and warping aspects of pagan religion and Christianity to suit their Social Darwinistic/Nietzschian notions of race and racial superiority. Are you an evolutionist? Have you read Thus Spake Zarathustra? If you have, chances are that your worldview more closely resembles that of the Nazis that you think. Hmmmm...did I say any of that? Is that a guilty concience or are you just projecting? You asked what it had to do with the Nazis and I gave you an answer. Whether you like or admit to the answer is your choice. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kengs333 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 Kengs333's Odin myth is nothing more than Aryan bunk. It says more about him than the white supremacists could say about eating grits at a Black National Convention. So you're saying that if I sit down and read Norse sagas and other writings about Northern European mythology that were written 800 years ago, I am by default a white supremacist? That's bigotry pure and simple. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 Citing media as science? What will they think of next? My media site trumps your vapour cites. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
charter.rights Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 My media site trumps your vapour cites. Sure it does..... You just keep believing that..... Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
kengs333 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 Hmmmm...did I say any of that?Is that a guilty concience or are you just projecting? You asked what it had to do with the Nazis and I gave you an answer. Whether you like or admit to the answer is your choice. The nature of your answer implied something, and I in turn suggested that perhaps you should take a look at your own worldview. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 The nature of your answer implied something, and I in turn suggested that perhaps you should take a look at your own worldview. The nature of your odin assertations imply something too...I suggest stop playing dungeon and dragons... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kengs333 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 As an engineer and anthropologist So is that the current politically correct term for male nurse? Nobody who has read any of your posts believes that you have any professional certification or specialized education... Quote
charter.rights Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 So is that the current politically correct term for male nurse?Nobody who has read any of your posts believes that you have any professional certification or specialized education... Male nurse? In YOUR dreams......fella.....But if you lean that way and all that..... But even if I was a male nurse (which I am not) I'm sure to give respect to all the male nurses out there it is a much better occupation than being a welfare bum living off the charity of others.... I don't care who believes me about my professions. Their opinions like yours, have no bearing on the discussion. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
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