stevoh Posted September 3, 2008 Report Posted September 3, 2008 (edited) The conservative environmental plan, "turning the corner", is described in detail here: http://www.ec.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=75038EBC-1 I had always believed (and correct me if I am wrong) that the conservatives have been highly critical of Kyoto, and particularly of the concept of "carbon offsets". I was suprised to read that the conservatives plan to use just such as scheme as a "compliance mechanism" for their emissions reduction targets. From here: http://www.ec.gc.ca/doc/virage-corner/2008-03/541_eng.htm Elaboration of April 2007 regulatory framework: compliance mechanisms Canada's domestic offset system: -The offset system will issue credits for incremental real, verified domestic reductions or removals of greenhouse gas emissions in activities outside the regulations. -Offset credits may be used by regulated firms for compliance with their targets. -The offset system will be administered in a cost–effective manner and will promote projects in as many sectors and for as many project types as practical. Clean Development Mechanism: -Firms may use credits from the Kyoto Protocol's Clean Development Mechanism (with the exception of credits for forest sink projects) for up to 10% of their regulatory obligation. *cue sound of turntable needle dragging across record followed by silence* The conservative plan allows companies to use their KYOTO credits? What? The very Kyoto they dismissed outright? The only way a company should see tax breaks or other incentives to invest in green technology is to do that emissions reduction themselves. Carbon offsets too easily allow polluters to continue doing business as usual, and, if cost analysis reveals that buying carbon credits is cheaper than making emissions improvements, then the only result of such a scheme is that the end user pays more. Edited September 3, 2008 by stevoh Quote Apply liberally to affected area.
Ontario Loyalist Posted September 3, 2008 Report Posted September 3, 2008 The conservative environmental plan, "turning the corner", is described in detail here: Honestly, everybody who doesn't vote for them doesn't believe or trust anything that the Cons say about the environment, and most people who do vote for them simply don't care. Quote Some of us on here appreciate a view OTHER than the standard conservative crap. Keep up the good work and heck, they have not banned me yet so you are safe Cheers! Drea
Moonbox Posted September 3, 2008 Report Posted September 3, 2008 Honestly, everybody who doesn't vote for them doesn't believe or trust anything that the Cons say about the environment, and most people who do vote for them simply don't care. which is basically what everyone else does for the party of their choice. What's your point? Yes...there is a lot of partisanship going on in Canadian politics. Supporters of the Liberals and NDP do the exact same thing. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Ontario Loyalist Posted September 3, 2008 Report Posted September 3, 2008 which is basically what everyone else does for the party of their choice. What's your point? Yes...there is a lot of partisanship going on in Canadian politics. Supporters of the Liberals and NDP do the exact same thing. No, I think people who vote for the NDP or Liberals care about their party's stand on the environment. The Conservatives just pay lip service to it and the people who vote for the marty know it, and so don't care. Quote Some of us on here appreciate a view OTHER than the standard conservative crap. Keep up the good work and heck, they have not banned me yet so you are safe Cheers! Drea
Wild Bill Posted September 3, 2008 Report Posted September 3, 2008 The conservative environmental plan, "turning the corner", is described in detail here:http://www.ec.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=75038EBC-1 I had always believed (and correct me if I am wrong) that the conservatives have been highly critical of Kyoto, and particularly of the concept of "carbon offsets". I was suprised to read that the conservatives plan to use just such as scheme as a "compliance mechanism" for their emissions reduction targets. From here: http://www.ec.gc.ca/doc/virage-corner/2008-03/541_eng.htm Elaboration of April 2007 regulatory framework: compliance mechanisms *cue sound of turntable needle dragging across record followed by silence* The conservative plan allows companies to use their KYOTO credits? What? The very Kyoto they dismissed outright? The only way a company should see tax breaks or other incentives to invest in green technology is to do that emissions reduction themselves. Carbon offsets too easily allow polluters to continue doing business as usual, and, if cost analysis reveals that buying carbon credits is cheaper than making emissions improvements, then the only result of such a scheme is that the end user pays more. Did it not say that Kyoto reductions could make up only 10% of the total an emitter had to reduce? Looks like it also said the feds will decide if you made real or imaginary domestic reductions. This is a bit of a difference from the Liberal plan. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Moonbox Posted September 4, 2008 Report Posted September 4, 2008 No, I think people who vote for the NDP or Liberals care about their party's stand on the environment. The Conservatives just pay lip service to it and the people who vote for the marty know it, and so don't care. What you 'think' matters about as much as what I had for breakfast. I could just as easily say I 'think' that the Liberals and the NDP seek votes from the lowest common denominators in Canada and make their promises directed towards these people but then when they form the government they govern almost as far to the right as the Conservatives do. Now the difference between you and me, however, is that when i say what I 'think', I'm willing to provide a multitude of examples to support what I 'think' so as to not to appear like I'm just blowing hot air. Here's what I think/know about the Liberals and their environmental policy. Canada signed the Kyoto protocol in 1998 (under a fairly similar Liberal government with many of the same faces as MP's today) which was ratified and made law I'm pretty sure in 2002. From 2002-2006 the Liberals did virtually nothing to follow up with Kyoto and did not set or meet any benchmarks in this time. In 2006, a Conservative Government, already many years behind on Kyoto thanks to the Liberals, inherited targets that by now were nothing short of unachievable. Now, in a time where the cost of doing business for manufacturers is putting thousands upon thousands of people out of work and our economy is slowing down, Dion decides it's a good time to penalize already struggling industries even further with a carbon tax that will make a 100% negligible difference in the world environment. Hmm...... I 'THINK' that the Liberals are out to lunch right now. As for Layton, don't make me laugh. Anyone who brings him into an argument these days will get nothing but smirks from me. He can promise whatever he wants knowing he has no chance to form a government. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
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