Marriage Fraud is not allowed under Canada's immigration law!

[Drea]

The kids nowadays need some manly men to show them the way. They are all turning into queers, feminists and metrosexuals without it.

What part of "sharing equally" turns men into homosexuals?

Do you think that in a modern household, daddy just sews and cooks while mommy mows the lawn and takes out the garbage?

I still am mostly responsible for the house interior, but we share in cooking duties (whoever feels like it does it). I still largely do the grocery shopping but ask what everyone wants. He still largely takes care of the yard 'cept he leaves my Persian Silk Tree to me LOL. Our equal paycheques (we earn about the same) go into one account and we consult each other on purchases over $100.

Tell me, Monty, what exactly is wrong with this?

[CANADIEN]

Neither have you. You can make all the "progress" you want but men are men, women are women.

Actually, ny brain has progressed... Yours haven't.

[MontyBurns]

What part of "sharing equally" turns men into homosexuals?

Do you think that in a modern household, daddy just sews and cooks while mommy mows the lawn and takes out the garbage?

I still am mostly responsible for the house interior, but we share in cooking duties (whoever feels like it does it). I still largely do the grocery shopping but ask what everyone wants. He still largely takes care of the yard 'cept he leaves my Persian Silk Tree to me LOL. Our equal paycheques (we earn about the same) go into one account and we consult each other on purchases over $100.

Tell me, Monty, what exactly is wrong with this?

Nothing if thats what you want. Myself, I like good old fashioned women. The roles then are clearly defined. Is that too much to ask?

[Drea]

Nothing if thats what you want. Myself, I like good old fashioned women. The roles then are clearly defined. Is that too much to ask?

Of course it isn't Monty!

But you must realize that a man who marries a woman who plans to stay at home will have to support her for life whether or not you divorce. I will encourage my son to marry (in 15 years LOL) a career woman who can hold his family together should he need to change jobs or gets laid off or whatever.

Is it not better to have the security of two incomes? To have two people who have the ability to cook and mow? In case one is unavailable, the other can do the job.

It's not changing men into women or women into men, it's sharing the workload equally. No, work outside the home is NOT the same as work AT home. In today's easy world, it doesn't take much to keep a household running (disposable diapers, dishwashers, washers and dryers all make life very easy).

[MontyBurns]

Of course it isn't Monty!

But you must realize that a man who marries a woman who plans to stay at home will have to support her for life whether or not you divorce. I will encourage my son to marry (in 15 years LOL) a career woman who can hold his family together should he need to change jobs or gets laid off or whatever.

Is it not better to have the security of two incomes? To have two people who have the ability to cook and mow? In case one is unavailable, the other can do the job.

It's not changing men into women or women into men, it's sharing the workload equally. No, work outside the home is NOT the same as work AT home. In today's easy world, it doesn't take much to keep a household running (disposable diapers, dishwashers, washers and dryers all make life very easy).

I see no problem with couples doing things in a traditional or non-traditional sense. It's up to the couple.

To get back to the topic of this thread, do you really think this is a fair deal that this person got? A Canadian citizen went into a marriage in good faith and got taken to the cleaners by a foreign scam artist. Doesn't it make you mad to think that this person is now going to be receiving free health care, welfare and so on while recieving alimony payments from a Canadian citizen who was duped? It should make you mad that you (taxpayers) now have to pay for this skank. It should also make you mad that the government is acting in the best interests of a foreigner instead of a Canadian citizen. :angry:

Throw this bitch out of the country. :angry:

[Guest American Woman]

I haven't read through this whole thread, but I'm curious-- how long is a separated non-citizen spouse allowed to live/stay in Canada? What about a divorced non-citizen? Do they get to stay forever just because they were once married to a Canadian, even if only for a very brief time?

I know the U.S. certainly frowns on the 'marriage for a green card' scam, and I'm reading that this is what the poster who started this thread is advocating in Canada. Makes sense to me.

[MontyBurns]

I know the U.S. certainly frowns on the 'marriage for a green card' scam, and I'm reading that this is what the poster who started this thread is advocating in Canada. Makes sense to me.

Makes sense to me too.

[Drea]

They get deported. In this case the woman and her child should get to stay IMO. She did nothing wrong -- her husband was the one to leave and he "forgot" to process her immigration paperwork.

Mail-order bride ordered deported

Nelli Tikhonova was a hopeful 20-year-old when she arrived in Surrey in 1996 with her American husband.

Today, she's a 32-year-old abandoned single mother.

It was beyond my control," says Tikhonova. "[My husband] left at the end of 2000. He was going to Saipan [in the Northern Mariana Islands] for business purposes. He said he was going to return to take care of my [immigration] paperwork. He never did."

With no legal status in Canada because of her husband's failure to process the immigration paperwork, Tikhonova now faces deportation despite being the mother of a Canadian-born child.

Like thousands of young women worldwide caught in miserable circumstances, Tikhonova said she believed becoming a mail-order bride was her ticket out.

She met her American husband, Bert Douglas Montgomery, through a matrimonial ad in 1994. They married the following year in Russia, then moved to Las Vegas.

Hmmm..."Bert Douglas Montgomery" -- that you Monty Burns?!

Edited September 1, 2008 by Drea

[Drea]

I see no problem with couples doing things in a traditional or non-traditional sense. It's up to the couple.

To get back to the topic of this thread, do you really think this is a fair deal that this person got? A Canadian citizen went into a marriage in good faith and got taken to the cleaners by a foreign scam artist. Doesn't it make you mad to think that this person is now going to be receiving free health care, welfare and so on while recieving alimony payments from a Canadian citizen who was duped? It should make you mad that you (taxpayers) now have to pay for this skank. It should also make you mad that the government is acting in the best interests of a foreigner instead of a Canadian citizen. :angry:

Throw this bitch out of the country. :angry:

OoOooOOO... you sure are mad about this... as far as I am concerned any woman from any country that does not have equal rights for women should get to stay, no questions asked, no job required. We can afford to educate her so she can work. What do you think happens to non-virgins who return to their country of origin? What do you think happens to them? Are they crowned and treated like royalty? Or are they penniless for life? (no husband in those countries, means no income).

I'm pretty sure I understand though Monty -- you simply hate women making choices for themselves. You don't mind a woman making a choice "as a couple" but in your mind women should not be free to make decisons for themselves.

If I were a woman living in some shithole country with no rights, you bet your lily white hiney that I would lay with whatever man, I'd do whatever it takes (lie, cheat, manipulate, screw, whatever) to get out. And as soon as my feet touched the soil I would dump the bugger.

[Ontario Loyalist]

The kids nowadays need some manly men to show them the way. They are all turning into queers, feminists and metrosexuals without it.

Studies consistantly show that a father in the household makes kids more well-adjusted and successful in life. Of course, dad himself has to be a positive role-model. If he's just some abusive, drunken loser, then it doesn't matter...

[Guest American Woman]

QUOTE=(MontyBurns: The kids nowadays need some manly men to show them the way. They are all turning into queers, feminists and metrosexuals without it.

Studies consistantly show that a father in the household makes kids more well-adjusted and successful in life. Of course, dad himself has to be a positive role-model. If he's just some abusive, drunken loser, then it doesn't matter...

Sure they are better off having a dad around too, but they don't need a "manly man" (whatever that may be), and they certainly won't turn out to be "queers, feminists and metrosexuals" without a father in the household. And you're right-- if dad is just some abusive, drunken loser, he's not going to add to the child's well being.

Edited September 1, 2008 by American Woman

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

I haven't read through this whole thread, but I'm curious-- how long is a separated non-citizen spouse allowed to live/stay in Canada? What about a divorced non-citizen? Do they get to stay forever just because they were once married to a Canadian, even if only for a very brief time?

I know the U.S. certainly frowns on the 'marriage for a green card' scam, and I'm reading that this is what the poster who started this thread is advocating in Canada. Makes sense to me.

Canada is victimizing the citizens; as soon as the spouse lands in Canada, whether true genuine or sham marriage, the person is considered a landed immigrant and the sponsor citizen is victimized for three years to pay pack the social assistance, and the rest of the citizens are victimized to pay for her education and training classes, social services, and healthcare. That's how Canada is inviting people to come to Canada.

Do you know who is behind all this? Lawyers. They put 2 contrasting ideas in their fine prints. They say marriage of convenience is illegal, and on the other hand they say no matter what the cause of the immigration is, the person is landed immigrant and is entitled to benefit from the privileges of Canada. Here, the citizen sponsor who is already victimized has to pay a large amount of money to lawyers to take the fraudulent person and the government to court. And then, the government backs the fraudulent sponsor by saying that: it has been a marriage break down! not the marriage of convenience! marriages can last for even a day! That’s how serious and victimizing the sponsorship agreement is! Canadian laws put the sponsored citizen in a very deep dark hole.

Edited September 1, 2008 by Canada Marriage Fraud CPO

[Ontario Loyalist]

Do you have a link to any literature of this regard?

You know what I'm talking about. You know the kind of nonsense girls read and watch from an early age.

Feminists believe that men and women should share life's burdens equally.

Let's see some examples if you're so keen on sources/proof.

Those of you who think that feminists encourage women to "gold dig" are sadly misguided!

It's the traditional female role that is manipulative. A traditional woman must manipulate a man into taking care of her -- she is a dependent.

No, they don't "encourage" (well, most don't), but they "encourage" women to whatever they want when it comes to relationships, and this sometimes means that the woman "chooses" to be manipulative, gold digging, etc.

No, "traditional women" as I see it, at least in Christian society, didn't have to "manipulate"--they were raised to be competant mothers and wives.

A feminist is not a dependent, she is a life partner who willingly shares in her family's financial and emotional health. Most men understand that the financial and emotional health of the family is a job for two people to share, not a job for one or the other. A feminist does not need to be married, she chooses to be married.

In other words, they think of themselves first; never a good condition when one is a wife and mother, regardless of how successful they are in the work world.

What about the emotional health of men who want to be married or are married but keep finding women who are selfish and "independent"? Face it, there is a natural pattern to life; regardless of how feminists and others try and deny it, when humans are in their late teens and 20s there is a biological impulse to find a partner and have children. So women (and men) who don't want to marry and satisfy themselves with alternate lifestyles are constributing to a breakdown in society and mental unhealth in this society.

Look at some of the absurd family structures that are starting to appear in our society--this is in significant part due to feminism. Feminism has always had its sights set on destroying the traditional family structure. The traditional family is ordered and structured and this is mirrored by the society; when the family structure changes, so to does society, but societies have never ever functioned when they become unstable, unstructured, and anarchic.

Now come along and tell me how a woman who contributes financially and emotionally to her family is a "gold digger", a "cheater", or a "liar".

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, though, and accept that you're doing this intentionally.

[Chuck U. Farlie]

OP... your marriage was not a marriage of convenience.

A marriage of convenience is when both parties enter into an agreement to gain immigrant status. If yours was a marriage of convenience, maybe you should be arrested and held accountable for breaking immigration law.

Because you made a poor choice in brides you are now paying for it. Guess what, if you make a poor choice of brides in Canada you would also pay for it.

It seems you are just trying to seek revenge by having this woman deported.

[Guest American Woman]

OP... your marriage was not a marriage of convenience.

A marriage of convenience is when both parties enter into an agreement to gain immigrant status. If yours was a marriage of convenience, maybe you should be arrested and held accountable for breaking immigration law.

Because you made a poor choice in brides you are now paying for it. Guess what, if you make a poor choice of brides in Canada you would also pay for it.

It seems you are just trying to seek revenge by having this woman deported.

If he should "maybe be arrested and held accountable for it," why shouldn't she? Obviously it was a marriage of convenience for her. I'm sure Judge Judy would rip her a new one if she had the chance. Gotta love Judge Judy.

Seems to me Canada wouldn't want this kind of immigration going on. I agree that Canadian citizens' rights should come before immigrants. If the marriage doesn't last 'x amount of time,' out she (or if it's a he) goes. There has to be some 'good faith' involved or others will quickly learn of this scam, because that's what it is-- a scam. If I were a Canadian, I wouldn't want to have to support these immigrants with my tax dollars.

Edited September 1, 2008 by American Woman

[Chuck U. Farlie]

I don't want to support these immigrants... but why are you accepting his side of it?

Who is to say he didn't kick her out hoping she would go home... and is now pissed that she is on welfare and he is paying for it. Should the government just kick out any immigrant who is in a failed marriage? How then would they fight for any assets, custody, etc?

There are two sides to every story, so forgive me if I don't take his word for it...

If you go marrying a foreigner and bringing them home... make sure you make the right decision or you will pay for it...

[Guest American Woman]

I don't want to support these immigrants... but why are you accepting his side of it?

Who is to say he didn't kick her out hoping she would go home... and is now pissed that she is on welfare and he is paying for it. Should the government just kick out any immigrant who is in a failed marriage? How then would they fight for any assets, custody, etc?

There are two sides to every story, so forgive me if I don't take his word for it...

If you go marrying a foreigner and bringing them home... make sure you make the right decision or you will pay for it...

You raise good points. I have to agree with you. It's not as easy a situation to resolve as I initially thought it was.

Edited September 1, 2008 by American Woman

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

You raise good points. I have to agree with you. It's not as easy a situation to resolve as I initially thought it was.

YAHHHHHHH! LET'S KILL THE CANADIAN CITIZEN!!!!!!!!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

Who said the sponsored is bastard it was the Canadian tax payer sponsor who was foolish enough to spend so much time, money and effort to bring the innocent sponsored to Canada. right?

My initial question was not to judge whether I have been the victim or my fraudulent wife has been the victim, my question is that if my fraudulent wife has deceived me to come to Canada, what steps has the government of Canada taken to bring her into justice? Is it by victimizing the citizens to pay for the fraudulent people? or by setting conditional establishment?

Edited September 2, 2008 by Canada Marriage Fraud CPO

[Guest American Woman]

YAHHHHHHH! LET'S KILL THE CANADIAN CITIZEN!!!!!!!!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

Who said the sponsored is bastard it was the Canadian tax payer sponsor who was foolish enough to spend so much time, money and effort to bring the innocent sponsored to Canada. right?

My initial question was not to judge whether I have been the victim or my fraudulent wife has been the victim, my question is that if my fraudulent wife has deceived me to come to Canada, what steps has the government of Canada taken to bring her into justice? Is it by victimizing the citizens to pay for the fraudulent people? or by setting conditional establishment?

I didn't mean it as a slam against you, but Chuck U. Farlie raised good points. You seem sincere, but I don't know you or know if your story is straight. Maybe it is, and in that case I'm sorry you got taken. But as CUF pointed out, it could happen to the immigrant too, that they'd come over in good faith only to be 'dumped' and left stranded.

So like I said, it's not something that's as easily resolved as I first thought it was. And it's not. It's not up to the government of Canada to investigate every marriage that takes place; to determine if someone was wronged or not.

Perhaps the government should make it clearer that it won't step in and do something about it if the person doing the sponsoring is 'wronged.' It makes it sound as if the marriage will be found fraudulent when evidently it won't, so there likely should be something in plain language, in prominent print, warning both parties of what their responsibilities are-- and will remain-- should they partake in such a marriage.

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

People,

I have not provided enough evidence for you to judge and find the guilty.

What do you think the government has done to bring the fraudulent people to justice?

so there likely should be something in plain language, in prominent print, warning both parties of what their responsibilities are-- and will remain-- should they partake in such a marriage.

and yes, what is the responsibility of the sponsored person?

and let me tell you what RCMP said to me regarding her responsibility:

"she is an adult," "she is free to decide," "there is no marriage commitment," "she is free to go and you have no right to know about her location."

Edited September 2, 2008 by Canada Marriage Fraud CPO

[Guest American Woman]

and yes, what is the responsibility of the sponsored person?

Apparently there is no responsibility on their part, so that should be made clear by the government so anyone still choosing to go ahead with this type of marriage has no one to blame but themself if things turn out badly. I can't really see where the government could do much else.

[MontyBurns]

... as far as I am concerned any woman from any country that does not have equal rights for women should get to stay, no questions asked, no job required. We can afford to educate her so she can work.

Would you be willing to sponsor a woman from the 3rd world out of your own pocket? ... thought not.

[Peter F]

and let me tell you what RCMP said to me regarding her responsibility:

"she is an adult," "she is free to decide," "there is no marriage commitment," "she is free to go and you have no right to know about her location."

and Rightly so. What do you care where she is?

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

Apparently there is no responsibility on their part, so that should be made clear by the government so anyone still choosing to go ahead with this type of marriage has no one to blame but themself if things turn out badly. I can't really see where the government could do much else.

Why should the government create such a law to trap the sponsor? Why should there even be a "spousal sponsorship." why not changing it to "adult sponsorship?"

Edited September 2, 2008 by Canada Marriage Fraud CPO

[BC_chick]

Honestly it should be a quick investigation and then deportation. She has no real right to be here. Why are we allowing criminals to land here permanently as immigrants?

People tend to do uncharacteristically venegeful things when suffering from a broken-heart and the ability to deport someone is simply too much power to place in the hands of someone who is probably not thinking straight. What if the relationship just ran its course and the only person who can accept that is the poor sap whose only "crime" was to fall in love with someone from this country?

Or on the flip-side, imagine the number of people who may feel forced to stay in dysfunctional and/or abusive relationship just because they are being blackmailed with the fear of deportation.