Marriage Fraud is not allowed under Canada's immigration law!

[MontyBurns]

What do you care where she is?

She may need to be "dealt with".

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

People tend to do uncharacteristically venegeful things when suffering from a broken-heart and the ability to deport someone is simply too much power to place in the hands of someone who is probably not thinking straight. What if the relationship just ran its course and the only person who can accept that is the poor sap whose only "crime" was to fall in love with someone from this country?

Or on the flip-side, imagine the number of people who may feel forced to stay in dysfunctional and/or abusive relationship just because they are being blackmailed with the fear of deportation.

Why should Canadian citizens be afraid of victimization and not bringing wives from overseas?

Why shouldn't the people overseas be afraid of not fraudulently marrying Canadian citizens?

My point is that the people overseas should be careful enough to not let "bad" Canadians fool them, not Canadian citizens be careful not to let "bad" people from overseas victimize them and deceive them to get entry into Canada?

[Guest American Woman]

She may need to be "dealt with".

I'm sure that line of thought is why the RCMP says he has no right to know her location; and as Peter F has already stated, rightly so. Although I think a legitimate question is how do you end the marriage if you don't know where the spouse is? Surely he has the right to end the marriage.

BC Chick, you brought up good points too. The more I think about this type of situation, this type of marriage, the more complicated it becomes.

Why should the government create such a law to trap the sponsor? Why should there even be a "spousal sponsorship." why not changing it to "adult sponsorship?"

What difference would it make if it said "adult sponsorship" rather than "spousal sponsorship?" Would you feel better if you had brought her over and had to sponsor her for three years if you hadn't married her? Because it seems to me you would still be without a spouse and still having to support her for three years if it read that way.

[MontyBurns]

I'm sure that line of thought is why the RCMP says he has no right to know her location;

He may just want to see if her cheques are arriving on time and in a convenient manner. He may be concerned about how well she is adapting to life under Canada's welfare system.

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

What difference would it make if it said "adult sponsorship" rather than "spousal sponsorship?" Would you feel better if you had brought her over and had to sponsor her for three years if you hadn't married her? Because it seems to me you would still be without a spouse and still having to support her for three years if it read that way.

I sponsored the girl to be my wife, I never intended to sponsor a free adult leaving me when her plane lands in Canada.

Edited September 2, 2008 by Canada Marriage Fraud CPO

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

Maybe I have not got the definition of marriage;

Would you please explain what does it mean to be husband and wife in Canada? What responsibilities do they have toward each other? Why do people marry in Canada when they have no obligations or commitment staying with one another? Why not just be with each other, why should we name them husbands and wives?

Edited September 2, 2008 by Canada Marriage Fraud CPO

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

May 21, 2008 at 4:08 AM EDT

Fighting fraud

Anyone who is allowed into Canada as a spouse of a Canadian qualifies for permanent residency. Many other countries take a more restrictive approach.

THE UNITED STATES

Congress passed the Immigration Marriage Fraud Act in 1986 in response to controversy over so-called sham marriages. For a couple who have been married less than two years, the law allows the status of "conditional resident." Interviews are conducted after two years and, if officials deem the marriage to be genuine, the immigrant receives permanent resident status.

AUSTRALIA

Immigrants must live with their spouses for two years before receiving permanent partner visas.

NEW ZEALAND

Immigration New Zealand's website states: "A partner will only be granted residence if both people in the partnership have been living together for at least 12 months."

How big is the problem of marriage fraud in Canada?

Immigration Minister Diane Finley said she was unable to answer that question when it was posed to her in writing by Toronto-area Liberal MP ROY CULLEN.

"Quantifying the rate of marriage fraud is difficult as relationships can break down at any time in a marriage, from the date of entry to Canada to several years into the marriage," the minister said.

When a New Democratic Party MLA organized a meeting on the issue in Burnaby, B.C., in 2006, nearly 200 people filled a town hall. An advocacy group called the Canadian Marriage Fraud Victims' Society estimates the number of victims to be in the thousands.

Bill Curry

[Peter F]

Maybe I have not got the definition of marriage;

Would you please explain what does it mean to be husband and wife in Canada? What responsibilities do they have toward each other? Why do people marry in Canada when they have no obligations or commitment staying with one another? Why not just be with each other, why should we name them husbands and wives?

What? You need someone to explain what a marriage is to you? If you believe that marriage is an unalterable commitment, then you had best take care to marry a woman who shares that belief. You may actually like it that way. Nothing in this world is stopping you from holding such a belief and marrying a woman who shares that belief.

On the other hand, I believe that no one need get married nor stay married if they don't want to. So you can get married, and I not get married but simply live with the woman, and we both have the very same legal obligations to our spouses and vice versa.

So marry, if you think that is the correct thing to do, nothing is stopping you and the government of Canada will not interfere with you for doing so. But it would probably be best if the woman you marry shares you're beliefs in this regard.

Or not! It's entirely up to you!

I love freedom, especially when its free...

[Drea]

Would you be willing to sponsor a woman from the 3rd world out of your own pocket? ... thought not.

You are too funny... I AM trying to sponsor a woman out of Iran. Won't be marrying her though -- just gettin' her out of a shithole country with no rights for women so she can have a better life. We are renovating and adding a space to our home for her.

We have been working towards her getting here for the autumn of 2010.

And yes, I would be willing to put MY taxes towards helping women in third-world countries come to Canada for education and eventual employment.

[Drea]

You know what I'm talking about. You know the kind of nonsense girls read and watch from an early age.

Let's see some examples if you're so keen on sources/proof.

No, they don't "encourage" (well, most don't), but they "encourage" women to whatever they want when it comes to relationships, and this sometimes means that the woman "chooses" to be manipulative, gold digging, etc.

No, "traditional women" as I see it, at least in Christian society, didn't have to "manipulate"--they were raised to be competant mothers and wives.

She says "I will screw you and cook food for you" He says "I will provide roof over your head".

I know, I was married to one a long time ago... He said "Everything is yours as long as you stay with me." LOL I left nothing but $2 and a half tank of gas. It was all HIS because he had worked for it, all I did was work part-time, I did not contribute to paying down the mortgage (or the furniture, etc) so they were all his.

In other words, they think of themselves first; never a good condition when one is a wife and mother, regardless of how successful they are in the work world.

What about fathers? Are they "allowed" to think of themselves first? The first thing I am is human, then I am a female, then I am a mother, in that order. My son has grown up knowing that other people (women) are not on this earth to wait on him, to live for him. He thinks of women, not as slaves to be bought, but as human beings with needs and wants of their very own. Some women just want to be mothers. Some women don't want children at all. Some women want careers and children.

What about the emotional health of men who want to be married or are married but keep finding women who are selfish and "independent"?

Is it women's responsibility to look after men's emotional health? Can they not look after their own emotions? Sharing equally in a relationship means both partners look after the emotional and financial wellbeing of the family. Daddy can cuddle away a hurt knee just as well as mommy can.

Face it, there is a natural pattern to life; regardless of how feminists and others try and deny it, when humans are in their late teens and 20s there is a biological impulse to find a partner and have children.

So that biological urge to screw is because young people want babies to look after? LOL The impluse drives people to have an orgasm, not a baby. The baby is simply an unintended consequence.

So women (and men) who don't want to marry and satisfy themselves with alternate lifestyles are constributing to a breakdown in society and mental unhealth in this society.

So how does it harm anyone if people choose not to marry...

I always imagined that back in the day when people saved their vifginity for marriage, that night in the marriage bed must be very disappointing for some... then they are stuck forever. How awful to get married because you are lusting after one another then realize you are incompatable. We try on shoes before we buy them.. we test drive cars... we peek in every room in a house, check the foundation and the roof... yet we are supposed to jump into a sixty year committment with a person without making sure sex (the marriage glue) is, at the very least, satisfactory?

Look at some of the absurd family structures that are starting to appear in our society--this is in significant part due to feminism. Feminism has always had its sights set on destroying the traditional family structure.

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yes, those sufferagettes who got women the vote were dead set on destroying the traditional family... riiight. It's not that feminists want to "destroy the family", they just don't want to be pigeonholed into "you are a woman, therefore you want babies".

The traditional family is ordered and structured and this is mirrored by the society; when the family structure changes, so to does society, but societies have never ever functioned when they become unstable, unstructured, and anarchic.

... and rigid... the traditional family roles are rigid. People, are not rigid "things", they are flexible and are much more than their biology dictates.

[MontyBurns]

You are too funny... I AM trying to sponsor a woman out of Iran. Won't be marrying her though -- just gettin' her out of a shithole country with no rights for women so she can have a better life. We are renovating and adding a space to our home for her.

We have been working towards her getting here for the autumn of 2010.

And yes, I would be willing to put MY taxes towards helping women in third-world countries come to Canada for education and eventual employment.

You are one in a million then. I doubt that 99.9% plus Canadians would pay to sponsor a 3rd world woman out of their own pocket.

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

What? You need someone to explain what a marriage is to you? If you believe that marriage is an unalterable commitment, then you had best take care to marry a woman who shares that belief. You may actually like it that way. Nothing in this world is stopping you from holding such a belief and marrying a woman who shares that belief.

On the other hand, I believe that no one need get married nor stay married if they don't want to. So you can get married, and I not get married but simply live with the woman, and we both have the very same legal obligations to our spouses and vice versa.

So marry, if you think that is the correct thing to do, nothing is stopping you and the government of Canada will not interfere with you for doing so. But it would probably be best if the woman you marry shares you're beliefs in this regard.

Or not! It's entirely up to you!

I love freedom, especially when its free...

Peter, see, in Canada whether you are married or not it doesn't make a difference; that is there is no definition for marriage. If there is, have you defined it?

Edited September 2, 2008 by Canada Marriage Fraud CPO

[Smallc]

Peter, see, in Canada whether you are married or not it doesn't make a difference; that is there is no definition for marriage. If there is, have you defined it?

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalResources/Fami...-in-Canada.aspx

[Peter F]

Peter, see, in Canada whether you are married or not it doesn't make a difference; that is there is no definition for marriage. If there is, have you defined it?

Nope. Need I?

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

So that biological urge to screw is because young people want babies to look after? LOL The impluse drives people to have an orgasm, not a baby. The baby is simply an unintended consequence.

So you decided to "marry" your husband because you had an impulse drive for an orgasm, not baby and your son is simply an unintended consequence? Is that a Canadian definition of marriage?

If that is the definition of "marriage", then no wonder why women choose to purchase a sex-machine and men purchase women advertising themselves on TV for a night or two rather than getting married.

[Drea]

So you decided to "marry" your husband because you had an impulse drive for an orgasm, not baby and your son is simply an unintended consequence?

Yes, that is correct. We were lusting for one another... and got married. We were not lusting for babies, just each other LOL.

Is that a Canadian definition of marriage?

I guess if you say so. LOL

The man that I am with and I are not going to have children together -- does this mean we are not "allowed" to get married, in your opinion? We are not going to procreate, so why get married?

And no, I was not pregnant (nor did I want babies) when I got married young -- I decided to marry my first husband because I was an naive teenager (long ago in 1983). We did not have children together, I left him so that I could go to college -- motherhood was never my ultimate goal.

Do you wish for a baby every time you get an erection? Is your erection an indicator that you are ready to become a father or is it just your body reacting to a "turn on" perhaps?

If that is the definition of "marriage", then no wonder why women choose to purchase a sex-machine and men purchase women advertising themselves on TV for a night or two rather than getting married.

Couples get married because they want to share their lives with each other. Sometimes this involves having children and sometimes it does not.

Men and women can be friends, lovers and/or parents. It's about sharing life with a partner, not owning someone.

And if you don't think along those lines you will always have difficulty holding on to a relationship.

[Ontario Loyalist]

And if you don't think along those lines you will always have difficulty holding on to a relationship.

Do you have sons? Do they repeatedly get dumped or divorced because feminist inspired women like you? Most relationships fail because women are disconent with the financial situation, or the guy isn't paying enough attention to her. You'd think that now that women know what it is like in the work world that they'd understand that a man has obligations when he is employed, that their employer expects them to work a certain amount of hours, that it's not really his fault if a job keeps him from his family. Maybe if women became more understanding and supportive again, there wouldn't be so many issue; but feminism has taught them how to be selfish and antagonistic, and as a result the family has become the the battleground in feminism's war against men.

[Peter F]

Do you have sons? Do they repeatedly get dumped or divorced because feminist inspired women like you? Most relationships fail because women are disconent with the financial situation, or the guy isn't paying enough attention to her. You'd think that now that women know what it is like in the work world that they'd understand that a man has obligations when he is employed, that their employer expects them to work a certain amount of hours, that it's not really his fault if a job keeps him from his family. Maybe if women became more understanding and supportive again, there wouldn't be so many issue; but feminism has taught them how to be selfish and antagonistic, and as a result the family has become the the battleground in feminism's war against men.

Thats funny. Those with XX chomosones must change for the betterment of mankind. Those without: Carry on!