I am proud to be white!

Moxie · January 26, 2008

Yes, you're showing such strength by being proud to be white.... I mean, with how oppressed white people are and all. It takes real strength to find pride in your race when the whole world seems to be against you.

Sadly people who think like you do deem all whites "Racists" funny the blacks can have organizations like the "Black United Front" the Jews can have organizations for Jews only and the Muslims can have CAIR and other "Muslim"organizations based on faith and race but god forbid a "White Man" open a Whites' Only Club and ole hell would break loose. Talk about a narrow racist mindset Cybercoma. I am tired of the "I blame the white PEOPLE crowd" and their hypocrisy against WHITES.

White Man and Women's guilt is dead or almost dead, blame someone else for the failures of minority groups. Not the White Man's fault.

kimmy · January 26, 2008

Most of them are saying "cool!"
All Black School

So you feel that this ongoing move toward an All Black School for Toronto supports the theory that we're all just differing shades of brown?

Ok, let's follow that route, then.

How will they decide which students can attend this school?

Will they have a hardware store paint-chip selector and a sign that says "You must be at least this dark to enter"? There are some very dark-skinned East Indian people... could they attend the "all black" school? What if somebody gets a really deep sun-tan over the summer. Will they then be able to attend in the fall? (would he have to keep going to a tanning salon to avoid getting expelled when his tan wears off?)

Or maybe there's some factor other than their specific "shade of brown" that will be considered in deciding which students are "black"? How do you think they will decide which students can attend this school, CR?

-k

kengs333 · January 26, 2008

Right now with the top two contenders for the next President the democrats have put a woman and a minority in the running. I would say we are pretty much where we needed to be.

Have you been paying attention to what's been going on lately? It's looking like the Democratic party is going to be ripped apart by the hostility between Clinton and Obama. It's getting rather ugly, and I would be surprised if by the end of it, people get so fed up with it that Edwards comes out the winner.

kengs333 · January 26, 2008

What minorities?
Now that we're all brown (in different shades) there are no minorities. We're all one big happy majority!

-k

In the black community, light blacks tend to think of themselves as superior to the dark blacks. This dates back to the era of slavery. Asian girls lighten their skin to make themselves look more western thinking that this will give them more opportunities in the workplace. People will always use appearances to define status in some respect.

kengs333 · January 26, 2008

Yes, you're showing such strength by being proud to be white.... I mean, with how oppressed white people are and all. It takes real strength to find pride in your race when the whole world seems to be against you.

First of all, what are you in terms of ethnicity, so that we all know where you're coming from? What she says is true; I don't think that she's claiming to be oppressed, rather is just really put off by what she feels is racism in its own right against her skin colour/ethnicity. Just because someone is from a "dominant" racial group doesn't mean that as an individual they can't be hurt or insulted by racially-specific insults from a member of a "non-dominant" group. Unfortunately, I think that she's realized that this line that we've been fed for the last few score years is really little more than a fantasy. "White" Canadians may think that creating a "multicultural society" will rectify past wrongs and make everyone happy, but as we see in Caledonia, for instance, socalled "visible minorities" still have an axe to grind.

james rahn · January 26, 2008

I'm proud to be 5'2"!
All 5'2" people are better'n other people....trust me on this, we are friendly and make the bestest best friends. Tall people are mean. LOL

see how much nonsense this is? Feeling pride for something we have no control over ourselves. It's so silly.

It's not silly :angry: but it shouldn't be based on race or height, it should be based on shoe size.

I wear a 9 1/2. And we are the elite of everything.

9 1/2's of the World, Unite!!!!

james rahn · January 26, 2008

Sadly people who think like you do deem all whites "Racists" funny the blacks can have organizations like the "Black United Front" the Jews can have organizations for Jews only and the Muslims can have CAIR and other "Muslim"organizations based on faith and race but god forbid a "White Man" open a Whites' Only Club and ole hell would break loose. Talk about a narrow racist mindset Cybercoma. I am tired of the "I blame the white PEOPLE crowd" and their hypocrisy against WHITES.
White Man and Women's guilt is dead or almost dead, blame someone else for the failures of minority groups. Not the White Man's fault.

Edited February 18, 2008 by james rahn

james rahn · January 26, 2008

I don't think we're all merely shades of brown, if that's what you're asking.
But I was pointing out a common misconception-- that AA programs are all based on race, making them totally unfair to whites. They aren't based on race as much as they are based opportunity (or more precisely, lack thereof), and that would include people of all races/colors. So even if we were all just 'different shades of brown,' there would still be a need for AA programs. That was my only point.

Edited February 18, 2008 by james rahn

charter.rights · January 27, 2008

So you feel that this ongoing move toward an All Black School for Toronto supports the theory that we're all just differing shades of brown?
Ok, let's follow that route, then.

How will they decide which students can attend this school?

Anyone can attend.

Will they have a hardware store paint-chip selector and a sign that says "You must be at least this dark to enter"? There are some very dark-skinned East Indian people... could they attend the "all black" school? What if somebody gets a really deep sun-tan over the summer. Will they then be able to attend in the fall? (would he have to keep going to a tanning salon to avoid getting expelled when his tan wears off?)

Anyone can attend.

Or maybe there's some factor other than their specific "shade of brown" that will be considered in deciding which students are "black"? How do you think they will decide which students can attend this school, CR?

Anyone can attend.

Many people love the idea of focusing on afro-centric topics and culture using modified teaching methods to reach kids that would otherwise be left out of the system. Maybe they'll even teach "gang-speak" (or whatever they call it) as a second language. Cool huh?

cybercoma · January 27, 2008

Cybercoma, do you generally react to someone who says they are proud to be black?

Do you understand the difference between showing pride under adversity when others are putting you down for being black, as opposed to showing pride in being white when you're not faced with those issues?

kengs333 · January 27, 2008

Anyone can attend.
Anyone can attend.

Anyone can attend.

Many people love the idea of focusing on afro-centric topics and culture using modified teaching methods to reach kids that would otherwise be left out of the system. Maybe they'll even teach "gang-speak" (or whatever they call it) as a second language. Cool huh?

No kid is "left out of the system". People are making excuses for why certain children don't succeed at school so that they can push their political agenda and create schools that will indoctrinate children with their political agenda. Please explain to me why many Asian kids come to Canada and excell at school? I can think of several examples of kids that I knew that came to Canada unable to speak English and within a year were fluent and getting top grades. Why? Probably because their parents had high expectations for them and didn't feed them with negativity, telling them that the education system was a "white man's" construct. There really is no excuse for not succeeding at school in Canada, unless one has a legitimate medical reason.

cybercoma · January 27, 2008

Sadly people who think like you do deem all whites "Racists" funny the blacks can have organizations like the "Black United Front" the Jews can have organizations for Jews only and the Muslims can have CAIR and other "Muslim"organizations based on faith and race but god forbid a "White Man" open a Whites' Only Club and ole hell would break loose. Talk about a narrow racist mindset Cybercoma. I am tired of the "I blame the white PEOPLE crowd" and their hypocrisy against WHITES.
White Man and Women's guilt is dead or almost dead, blame someone else for the failures of minority groups. Not the White Man's fault.

White people do have clubs and organizations that they belong to... they're every other club/organization beside the ones you just listed.

jefferiah · January 27, 2008

White people do have clubs and organizations that they belong to... they're every other club/organization beside the ones you just listed.

Oh really? Blacks are prohibited from joining these groups or what, and can only be members of black groups?

Hmmmmm.....

I am not even going to bother to ask you to back that up.

Edited January 27, 2008 by jefferiah

jefferiah · January 27, 2008

Do you understand the difference between showing pride under adversity when others are putting you down for being black, as opposed to showing pride in being white when you're not faced with those issues?

No I don't. Because that is ridiculous. Essentially you are saying its ok for one to be proud of his race, but not for another. What difference do the circumstances make?

Personally I think racial pride of any kind is silly. But nonetheless.

Let's take two individuals. One grew up and had a hard life let's say. The other didn't. Both of them have made some great accomplishments. Is it only ok for the one who grew up in hard circumstances to be proud?

So either it is not ok to be proud of being black or white. Or it is ok to be proud of being black or white. Take your pick.

Edited January 27, 2008 by jefferiah

charter.rights · January 27, 2008

No kid is "left out of the system".

That is just another baseless comment.

Between drop-outs and teaching failures there are still about 28% of the kids in high school not obtaining a diploma. So that's over 1/4 of all students getting left behind.....

The number of students who graduate after five years in high school has gone up - from 68 per cent in 2003-04 to an estimated 72 per cent in 2004-05.

cybercoma · January 27, 2008

Oh really? Blacks are prohibited from joining these groups or what, and can only be members of black groups?
Hmmmmm.....

I am not even going to bother to ask you to back that up.

I don't need to back it up, you know just as well as I do that there are plenty of clubs dominated by white people that blacks would not feel welcome around. Aside, most black clubs are open to people of any race, they just choose not to show up.

cybercoma · January 27, 2008

No I don't. Because that is ridiculous. Essentially you are saying its ok for one to be proud of his race, but not for another. What difference do the circumstances make?

I'm not saying it's not OK to be proud to be white. I'm saying it's ridiculous because white people don't face the same kind of adversity that black or ethnic people do in this country.

Circumstances make a world of difference, how can you even say they don't? Being proud to be Christian in North American is a whole different thing than being proud to be Christian in Iran.

Personally I think racial pride of any kind is silly. But nonetheless.

At least we agree on something.

Let's take two individuals. One grew up and had a hard life let's say. The other didn't. Both of them have made some great accomplishments. Is it only ok for the one who grew up in hard circumstances to be proud?

It's ok for anyone to be proud. It means more to be proud as a means of overcoming adversity, rather than just being proud to be boastful.

So either it is not ok to be proud of being black or white. Or it is ok to be proud of being black or white. Take your pick.

I never said it's NOT ok. One actually means something, the other is just a practice in autoeroticism.

jefferiah · January 27, 2008

I don't need to back it up, you know just as well as I do that there are plenty of clubs dominated by white people that blacks would not feel welcome around.

Name them.

jefferiah · January 27, 2008

It's ok for anyone to be proud. It means more to be proud as a means of overcoming adversity, rather than just being proud to be boastful.

No it doesn't necessarily mean more. Enduring adversity is a reason to be proud. But it is not the only one. And there are other reasons in between enduring adversity and being boastful.

jefferiah · January 27, 2008

Circumstances make a world of difference, how can you even say they don't? Being proud to be Christian in North American is a whole different thing than being proud to be Christian in Iran.

Being proud to be Christian means being proud to be Christian, whether you are in North America or Atlantis or Iran.

I would not say that there is any less meaning to pride in one's English heritage than there is to pride in another's Irish heritage. The fact that someone's ancestors may have went through a harder time than someone else's ancestors does not mean that one has more reason to be proud than the other.

Edited January 27, 2008 by jefferiah

PoliAgno · January 27, 2008

Name them.

Your mom's house.

But anyway, fact is, is it just a little more "scary" for the most part shall we say, to hear some white guy say he is proud to be white. When you hear a black guy say it, it naturally comes with other connotations.

Edited January 27, 2008 by PoliAgno

jefferiah · January 27, 2008

Your mom's house.
But anyway, fact is, is it just a little more "scary" for the most part shall we say, to hear some white guy say he is proud to be white. When you hear a black guy say it, it naturally comes with other connotations.

Har har.

But you are making a good point. It is just a little more "scary". But it is ridiculous nonetheless. It is something you have been conditioned to think. Black pride---ok. Hispanic pride---ok. White pride---Racist!!!!!.

The fact that some people may be conditioned to think of it as scary does not make it really so, and it does not trump the right of someone to have pride in their race, if people of other races can do the same.

jefferiah · January 27, 2008

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Edited January 27, 2008 by jefferiah

PoliAgno · January 27, 2008

Actually to have pride in your race is a silly or perhaps pointless thing. Would you just as proud to be Black or Asian if you were born either? Or if you were born both? Most likely. Why be proud of what race you are? Is it really because it is a better race or is it because it is all you know and what you know of best?

If you sincerely think it is because it is better than I would say you are racist-and ignorant. If you understand it is only because it is what you know of best, and so are able to appreciate it more, then you should also realize you would feel the same about any other race or races you were born into.

In which case it is not racism at all but just an appreciation for who you and an understanding of an appreciation of the other races around you. As well as an understanding and appreciation that they should all be equally "proud".

jefferiah · January 27, 2008

Actually to have pride in your race is a silly or perhaps pointless thing.

I absolutely agree with you, or Wild Bill's formulatoin was also acceptable. But if you feel it is silly for a white person to say this, you must also say this to an asian or a black person.