Russell by-law spat sparks bilingual study

[CANADIEN]

That is the laughable point.

A minority such as Quebec with such obvious animosity towards the English language and its users, declares this foreign minority language official.

Plain troublemakers is the only way to describe this twisted province.

French is not a foreign language.

[CANADIEN]

You still don't understand the meaning of the words 'traitor' and 'corrupt'.

Not to worry, I do. You're the one who don't. And I see don't see any proof there are any municipal or provincial services I can get in French and English.

We all know who the bigots are who use corrupt language policies to get what they want.

And they include people who want to ban certain languages from commercial signage... like you.

Even the PM called parliament dysfunctional.

Like you, he calls it dysfunctional because he expects we won;t get what he wants from it. Unlike you, he's not thinking about language issues when he says it.

Your right.

Anyone is free to use any language they wish on commercial signs, that is, without the use of forced government intervention to accomplish that feat.

But if French minorities choose to FORCE their minority language on signs via corrupt language policies, then I will react with advocating the province of Ontario protect the users of the de-facto English language by making the English language the official language of Ontario.

And you have demonstrated again and again that you want the government to deny people to use languages other than English . If you had any integrity, you would stop hiding before the "they force mke to do it" feable excuse, which nobody buys.

[Leafless]

French is not a foreign language.

The English language is the de-facto commercial language of Canada.

French is the language of France and is spoken in the PROVINCE (not country) of Quebec, Canada, as a regional language.

This makes French a foreign language.

[Leafless]

And they include people who want to ban certain languages from commercial signage... like you.

If languages other than English were forced on commercial signs by corrupt language policies.

Then you are 100% correct.

Like you, he calls it dysfunctional because he expects we won;t get what he wants from it. Unlike you, he's not thinking about language issues when he says it.

Unlike Pierre Trudeau, maybe he is.

And you have demonstrated again and again that you want the government to deny people to use languages other than English . If you had any integrity, you would stop hiding before the "they force mke to do it" feable excuse, which nobody buys.

I don't care what languages any Canadian freely uses.

There has been no attempt to outlaw minority French core language policies that are totally out of control with no democratic checks and balances. This has resulted in a French foreign language overriding the normal dominating aspect of the de-facto English language, a condition the province of Quebec would never tolerate with its own minority French language.

So why the hell should the majority English speaking Canadians tolerate this kind of minority ABUSE.

You make me laugh relating to my advocating a perfectly legal option, to make the province of Ontario legally officially English, while you ignore decades and decades of French language policies biting into the lifeblood of the English language.

[CANADIEN]

The English language is the de-facto commercial language of Canada.

French is the language of France and is spoken in the PROVINCE (not country) of Quebec, Canada, as a regional language.

This makes French a foreign language.

Let me check... Yes, Quebec is part of Canada. Therefore, since as you admit yourself French is the language of a region of Canada, it is most definitely not a foreign language.

[CANADIEN]

I don't care what languages any Canadian freely uses.

Yet you advocate the banning of languages other than English from commercial signage. You have denounced the Harper government for apoligizing for a policy that was aimed at destroyed Native CANADIAN languages and cultures. You don't want municipalities and provinces to provide services in both English and French. And you have make a fool of yourself by finding fault a number of time with the language I use to identify what country I am proudly from. What is laughable is that you are so clueless you don't see your own hypocrisy.

Why the hell should the majority English speaking Canadians tolerate this kind of minority ABUSE.

Good question. Why should anyone tolerate something that does not exist?

[Leafless]

Let me check... Yes, Quebec is part of Canada. Therefore, since as you admit yourself French is the language of a region of Canada, it is most definitely not a foreign language.

Yes, the French language in Canada is an imported foreign language from the country of France.

It is NOT the language used by the majority of Canadians and is an obsolete language, artificially maintained by the tax payers of Canada and used in turn by Quebec as a political tool for the advancement of the French culture.

Without constant Canadian financing the French language in Canada would cease to exist in a very short time.

Canada sadly lacks the kind of democratic initiatives that could and most probably would terminate once and for all this troublesome language.

[Leafless]

Yet you advocate the banning of languages other than English from commercial signage.

Again, you have a major problem comprehending the word 'forced' on commercial signage by language policy not detirmined by the citizens of Canada relating to various levels of government.

You have denounced the Harper government for apoligizing for a policy that was aimed at destroyed Native CANADIAN languages and cultures.

I disagreed with Mr. Harper and did not "denounce the Harper government".

Educating natives to be able to cope in modern majority English speaking society does not constitute "destroying Native Canadian languages and cultures.

You don't want municipalities and provinces to provide services in both English and French.

I want the federal government to affirm that 'right' by national referendum and not to be decided solely by a handful of federal or provincial politicians or city or town councillors.

And you have make a fool of yourself by finding fault a number of time with the language I use to identify what country I am proudly from.

You are not only a hypocrite but a French propagandist who is playing both sides of the linguistic coin.

What is laughable is that you are so clueless you don't see your own hypocrisy.

Says who?

A French propagandist who cannot comprehend.

Good question. Why should anyone tolerate something that does not exist?

More evidence relating to your inability understanding implemented, corrupt French and bilingual and signage language policies used to advance a culture who are incapable of advancing their own official language and culture for the simple reason no one wants it.

[CANADIEN]

Yes, the French language in Canada is an imported foreign language from the country of France.

You mean like the English language was imported?

It is an obsolete language, artificially maintained by the tax payers of Canada

*WARNING - I am making fun of Leafless' statement * Thanks for reminding me that I don't pay taxes.

Without constant Canadian financing the French language in Canada would cease to exist in a very short time.

News (also known as facts) to you. French was, is and will be spoken in Gravelbourg and St.-Boniface, in Heast and in Caraquet not because of government money, but because peopledefended their right as CANADIANS to speak and use it in the face of discrimination and attempts at assimilation.

Canada sadly lacks the kind of democratic initiatives that could and most probably would terminate once and for all this troublesome language.

Typical Leafless. In one posting, you claim that you don't care what languages Canadians choose to use, and in another you lament the fact that there are no initiative that would terminate a language.

Edited September 6, 2008 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Educating natives to be able to cope in modern majority English speaking society does not constitute "destroying Native Canadian languages and cultures.

In the words of early architects of the residential school program, repeated by PM Harper when he rightly apoligized for it, the aim was to "kill the Indian in the Child". Children in those schools were regularly beaten for speaking their own Canadian languages even among themselves in the schoolyard.

The objective was clear. Like the fact that after denying it you will probably glorify it.

[Leafless]

You mean like the English language was imported?

Condescending must be your middle name.

The English language RULED from day one relating to when the British GAVE Canada its constitution.

*WARNING - I am making fun of Leafless' statement * Thanks for reminding me that I don't pay taxes.

I kind of suspected that was the case all along.

News (also known as facts) to you. French was, is and will be spoken in Gravelbourg and St.-Boniface, in Heast and in Caraquet not because of government money, but because peopledefended their right as CANADIANS to speak and use it in the face of discrimination and attempts at assimilation.

You are in la-la land.

No, its because of government money.

This could be proven when you try to open a can of beans (if you were lucky enough to find a can of beans) with your bare hands fully knowing that a mechanical can opener is a luxury and beyond the reach of those in a dead end culture without the help of government assistance.

English would soon be the language of choice for people adhering to a dead end culture.

Typical Leafless. In one posting, you claim that you don't care what languages Canadians choose to use,

That is unequivocally correct.

But of course you must understand this means freely used for personal use and not expected to be used on any type of official basis.

and in another you lament the fact that there are no initiative that would terminate a language.

That there is no DEMOCRATIC initiative that would allow the citizens of Canada to determine that the de-facto English language of Canada should be the one and only official financially supported commercial language of Canada, that would be used by all Canadians.

[Leafless]

The objective was clear. Like the fact that after denying it you will probably glorify it.

The only objective relating to residential schools was to educate natives so they would not dependent on a degenerative third world backward lifestyle and would not be dependent on government resources for the rest of time.

[CANADIEN]

Condescending must be your middle name.

Nope, but clueless is yours.

The English language RULED from day one relating to when the British GAVE Canada its constitution.

And the English language came from English.

You are in la-la land.

No, its because of government money.

Yeah right. it is because of government money the Franco-Manitobans kept their culture alive when their Canadian language was banned from the schools and the Legislature and the Courts in violation of the terms of admission of the Province in the Constitution.

It's because of all the government moeny they were receiving that Franco-Ontarians fought tooth and nails when their language was banned from the schools financed by their taxes.

And the Acadians were rolling in dough when they were WALKING to New Brunswick from the lands in which they had been exiled. Whatever.

That is unequivocally correct.

But of course you must understand this means freely used for personal use and not expected to be used on any type of official basis.

official including of course appearing on business signs of private business.

That there is no DEMOCRATIC initiative that would allow the citizens of Canada to determine that the de-facto English language of Canada should be the one and only official financially supported commercial language of Canada, that would be used by all Canadians.

Here we go again. No language other than English in commerce. That's what you call freedom. Hypocrite.

Edited September 6, 2008 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

The only objective relating to residential schools was to educate natives so they would not dependent on a degenerative third world backward lifestyle and would not be dependent on government resources for the rest of time.

Even when attempting to deny the racist intent of the residential school system, you cannot avoid racist epithets.

Central to the government policy was making First Nations dependant in order to facilitate their assimilation. It is almost funny that assimilation was later presented as the solution to the dependancy.

[Leafless]

And the English language came from English.

As did the country!

How about showing a little respect relating to Canada's REAL founders the British and not your defunct imagined history or fairy tales.

Yeah right. it is because of government money the Franco-Manitobans kept their culture alive when their Canadian language was banned from the schools and the Legislature and the Courts in violation of the terms of entrance of the Province in the Constitution.

Oh, now its back to the beginning of time.

It's because of all the government money they were receiving that Franco-Ontarians were creating private schools when their language was banned from the education system.

Then why are majority Ontario tax payers paying for French schools and allowing it?

And the Acadians were rolling in dough when they were WALKING to New Brunswick from the lands in which they had been exiled.

Back to the dinosaur era.

official including of course appearing on business signs of private business.

Currently the English language is NOT the official language of Ontario and there is no official language in Ontario.

But you would never know this, especially with corrupt politicians creating French official sign laws and official bilingual policies in lieu of Ontario's NO OFFICIAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE POLICY.

Ask me again why I want the English language to be designated 'official in Ontario?

Here we go again. No language other than English in commerce. That's what you call freedom. Hypocrite.

Freedom has limitations relating to CORRUPTLY IMPOSED, DICTATED FRENCH SIGN LAWS AND BILINGUAL POLICIES.

And the premier of Ontario should know this and quickly impose the majority English language as the official language of Ontario.

How long is the torture going to last?

I mean are English speaking Canadians supposed be perpetual minority French whipping posts without any form of retaliation?

[CANADIEN]

As did the country!

How about showing a little respect relating to Canada's REAL founders the British and not your defunct imagined history or fairy tales.

The roots of this country date back to well before 1867. Respect for the facts and logic, and respect to the British contribution demands that his fact be acknowledged. But don't worry, I know you are to clueless to undertand that.

Oh, now its back to the beginning of time.

Back to the dinosaur era.

The illegal Manitoba laws were overturned in 1986. French was banned from Ontario school in the early 1900's and the full right to secondary education was not recognized until the 1980's. The Acadians were deported in the 1700's and returned in the 1800's. The only thing that dates back to the dinosaur era is your ignorant B.S.

Then why are majority Ontario tax payers paying for French schools and allowing it?

You mean "Why are all Ontario tawpayers?" Because it is in the Constitution, because it is the right thing to do, and because this province is not ruled by your brand of bigotry.

Ask me again why I want the English language to be designated 'official in Ontario?

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No need. I know the reasons, I know the excuse, and I know the real objective of preventing people from using languages other than English as much as possible.

I mean are English speaking Canadians supposed be perpetual minority French whipping posts without any form of retaliation?

They are not supposed to, and since they are not whipping post to anyone except in your mind, this can be easily dismissed as another non-sense from you.

[jay22]

This will go on for years to come.

Edited September 7, 2008 by jay22

[CANADIEN]

Jay,

No matter what the language is, anyone who tells you "You must learn my language but how do you dare not learn mine" is an idiot and hypocrite... unless he//she is a client and you are a service provider (or civil servant) or you are an immigrant.

[Leafless]

The roots of this country date back to well before 1867. Respect for the facts and logic, and respect to the British contribution demands that his fact be acknowledged. But don't worry, I know you are to clueless to undertand that.

The British contribution?

Bwa-ha-ha-ha.

The illegal Manitoba laws were overturned in 1986. French was banned from Ontario school in the early 1900's and the full right to secondary education was not recognized until the 1980's. The Acadians were deported in the 1700's and returned in the 1800's.

The French forced this?

And who really cares.

You mean "Why are all Ontario tawpayers?" Because it is in the Constitution, because it is the right thing to do, and because this province is not ruled by your brand of bigotry.

One is not a bigot to recgonize a corrupt Liberal ammended constitution.

No need. I know the reasons, I know the excuse, and I know the real objective of preventing people from using languages other than English as much as possible.

The real reason and objective is people do not want other imposed languages FORCED by corrupt language and signage laws.

They are not supposed to, and since they are not whipping post to anyone except in your mind, this can be easily dismissed as another non-sense from you.

A dictator could not have said that better.

[Leafless]

Jay,

No matter what the language is, anyone who tells you "You must learn my language but how do you dare not learn mine" is an idiot and hypocrite... unless he//she is a client and you are a service provider (or civil servant) or you are an immigrant.

You are using fraudulent quotes that DO NOT EXIST....unless you can prove it by posting the entire statement.

No one wants language laws and signage laws FORCED on them.

Canadians do NOT want a bilingual Canada or all provinces would have implemented official bilingual status which they have not except for the province of New Brunswick.

And Canadians NOT want dictated, imposed signage and language laws as indicated by the situation that is currently ongoing in Russell Ontario.

Mayor threatened over bilingual sign bylaw

Police guard Hill during annual parade for Russell Fair

David Gonczol, The Ottawa Citizen

Published: Sunday, September 07, 2008

RUSSELL - Russell Township Mayor Ken Hill was under police guard during a parade here yesterday after "intimidating and threatening comments were made" about the unpopular mayor, who bitterly divided the French and English communities in the township earlier this year when he spearheaded a drive for bilingual business signs.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...55-b5d2a2bdfd91

[CANADIEN]

The British contribution?

Bwa-ha-ha-ha.

You find the British contribution to Canada something to laugh about? Bizarre, i find it to be something to be happy about.

One is not a bigot to recgonize a corrupt Liberal ammended constitution.

The real reason and objective is people do not want other imposed languages FORCED by corrupt language and signage laws.

Unless of course it is English that is forced.

A dictator could not have said that better.

Now I really really really feel offended. You used to compare me to Hitler and Mugabe, but now I am just an anonymous dictator? :lol:

[CANADIEN]

You are using fraudulent quotes that DO NOT EXIST....unless you can prove it by posting the entire statement.

Is that the best you can come with? Oops, I forgot, that IS the best you can come with.

No one wants language laws and signage laws FORCED on them.

You, on the hand, want to force English on others by banning other languages from commercial signs.

Canadians do NOT want a bilingual Canada or all provinces would have implemented official bilingual status which they have not except for the province of New Brunswick.

Thanks for reminding me I am not Canadian.

And Canadians NOT want dictated, imposed signage and language laws as indicated by the situation that is currently ongoing in Russell Ontario.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...55-b5d2a2bdfd91

So, CRIMINALS and COWARDS who threaten to kill elected politicians over a municipal by-laaaaws are representative of a majority of Canadians? Or as usual, is your bigotry so strong that you imagine that most people think, like you, that this is an appropriate course of action?

[Leafless]

Is that the best you can come with?

It perfectly describes your misquoting and lying.

You, on the hand, want to force English on others by banning other languages from commercial signs.

Only to neutralize rapidly spreading corrupt French language policies.

Thanks for reminding me I am not Canadian.

You are Canadian. But for some reason you assume various levels of government that provide certain minority French services equates to official bilingualism. You see nothing wrong with French corrupt French language policies that are currently in force in and outside of the province of Quebec.

So, CRIMINALS and COWARDS who threaten to kill elected politicians over a municipal by-laaaaws are representative of a majority of Canadians? Or as usual, is your bigotry so strong that you imagine that most people think, like you, that this is an appropriate course of action?

Here is a partial excerpt from an Ottawa Citizen editorial, Thurs. Sept 11, 2008, Section 'C', pg. 4:

The municipal government (Russell) appears to be exceeding its powers (practically at least, if not legally) by governing the language of private signs. Buisnesses should be allowed choice. That's just basic freedom. So too can consumers excercise their choice by dealing with buisnesses that provide them with the services with which they feel most comfortable.

I don't condone violence. But it is easy to understand how a situation can become uncontroable like the language conflict in Russell.

Federal bilingualism has failed in Canada in trying to create a bilingual Canada.

Provincial governments have a responsibility to ensure bilingualism is a dead issue since it has failed federally.

The province of Ontario has failed to protect the interest of majority English speaking Ontarians by allowing French minorities to abuse linguistic freedoms in a province that currently harbours no official language policies of any kind.

[guyser]

QUOTE(CANADIEN @ Sep 9 2008, 02:23 PM)

You, on the hand, want to force English on others by banning other languages from commercial signs.

...AND THE REPLY...

Only to neutralize rapidly spreading corrupt French language policies.

Should be in the famous quotes section . Do we have a comedy section?

[CANADIEN]

It perfectly describes your misquoting and lying.

You mean it perfectly describes how profoundly clueless you are.

You are Canadian.

You finally recognize it... and you contradict yourself a few lines later. As usual...

But for some reason you assume various levels of government that provide certain minority French services equates to official bilingualism.

Nope.

You see nothing wrong with French corrupt French language policies that are currently in force in and outside of the province of Quebec.

French policies exist in France, not in Canada. There are no corrupt language policies in Ontario, so could I see anything wrong with something that does not exist?

Here is a partial excerpt from an Ottawa Citizen editorial, Thurs. Sept 11, 2008, Section 'C', pg. 4

They are entitled to their opinion. And they are wrong. Of course, if they had taken the opposite position, you'd be denoucing them as traitors, corrupt and whatever your bigoted mind would come with.

I don't condone violence.

You just use hateful, uniformed and false arguments that fan the fire.

But it is easy to understand how a situation can become uncontroable like the language conflict in Russell.

Very easy. It's because of people like you.