Russell by-law spat sparks bilingual study

[CANADIEN]

Nope, 'racial discriminating' is what I mean.

How else do you describe members of the same 'White race' discriminating against other members of the same 'White race' via culture/language laws.

I am not the first one to describe Quebec language laws as being racist.

And you are not the first either to promote laws that go even further. But you sure are the first one to be so clueless while doing it.

Edited August 5, 2008 by CANADIEN

[guyser]

What's a "TV"?

A little boxy thing you can watch for entertainment, or educational, purposes.

[CANADIEN]

A little boxy thing you can watch for entertainment, or educational, purposes.

Ah OK... I use this thread for entertainment.

[CANADIEN]

Dictated imposed language laws CANNOT be viewed as justified, under ANY circumstances, in any free, democratic society without the consent of the populace via REFERENDUM.

Nice to see that you are willing to have a referendum (and be defeated) on a law that would forbid languages other than English on commercial signs.

But if we are to overtunr the British system of government, why stop at langugae. There are so many other things that were "forced" without a referendum, that I am sure we can find a few ones that would fit one of your other prejudices. From...

non-white immigration to...

abolition of the head tax on Chinese immigrants to...

the right to vote for Aboriginals to...

the Statute of Westminster to...

anti-discrimination laws to...

women's right to vote to...

[CANADIEN]

Are you advocating violence on this website?

No more than people who warn of revolution unless the Frenchies stay in their place... meaning you

Are you trying to curtail free speech (...)

Not as much as people who want to prohibit commercial signage in all languages except one... meaning you

by trying to instill a level of fear?

No more than people who warn of revolution and call people traitors for defending their rights... meaning you

Once again, you're the pot calling the kettle black.

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[CANADIEN]

The French would NOT conform back then and to this day the French will NOT conform.

I was almost forgetting... How was the French government not conforming when it supported the American Revolution? Still waiting to hear it from you.

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[Leafless]

You obviously didn't look at my StatsCan link - the one that shows the population of Russell Township to be split almost exactly 50/50 between Anglo- and Francophone inhabitants. That would make the community bilingual, whether or not it's officially so.

There is no such thing as a bilingual community.

What you have are the residents of Russell who speak two different languages with one being the English language which is also the de-facto language of all of Canada.

Do you need everything to be official in order for it to be real?

Relating to language and to be to be accepted as real, YES.

The government of Russell Township has the authority to govern the area of Russell Township; that includes in what languages the government operates, and, apparently, signage. If and when the township government passes a law that makes the government operate in both French and English, they are not denying any Anglophone of his or her right to speak or be served in English. Hence, the Charter has not been breached! Ditto for a law that dictates store signs to be made in both French and English; the store owner is not being denied his or her right to speak, serve, or have a sign in English. Hence, the Charter has not been breached! The Charter does not say that laws cannot be made; it says that certain rights cannot be taken away; and, in this case, nobody's rights have been taken away. The township government hasn't even acted unreasonably, given that the population they govern is bilingual.

Nice piece of NOTHING.

What Russell Township is doing is RACIALLY DISCRIMINATING against an identifiable group of Canadian citizens namely White, English speaking Canadians via discriminatory language sign policies.

Fundamental Charter Rights, namely freedom of EXPRESSION has denied to this group of English speaking Canadian citizens.

This is relating to the fact anyone can post a sign in the language anyone chooses.

Ontario is NOT Quebec.

Okay; obviously you did forget. So, here it is for you again:

This is what you quoted:

Morally they are.

You altered that quote by including "unconstitutionally".

So, I never did say 'morally unconstitutionally'.

All I was referring to is that federal politician have a level of moral responsibility by attending to the concerns of majority Canadians, rather than dwell on minority demands.

Cultural and linguistic bigots. Pretty simple, really.

You are describing what Quebec politicians ARE but not describing what they are doing with their linguistic laws.

And what they are doing is discriminating, not against a single person, but an identifiable group namely White, English speaking Canadians.

This translates into RACIAL DISCRIMINATION.

Don't you mean "multi-racial"?

Describing the different cultures in Russell would be multicultural.

[Leafless]

Quote of the week.

Buttercup, you havent "got" anything since the advent of colour TV .

Who let you out of the closet, FAG?

[guyser]

Who let you out of the closet, FAG?

I followed you out..... "mommy"

[g_bambino]

There is no such thing as a bilingual community.

Oh? What, then, do you call a community where 50% of the population speaks English and the other 50% of the population speaks French?

What you have are the residents of Russell who speak two different languages with one being the English language which is also the de-facto language of all of Canada.

Indeed. But you gloss over the important point that the division between English speakers and French speakers in Russell Township is almost exactly half.

Relating to language and to be to be accepted as real, YES.

Uh huh. So, accents must be made official in order to be real?

What Russell Township is doing is RACIALLY DISCRIMINATING against an identifiable group of Canadian citizens namely White, English speaking Canadians via discriminatory language sign policies.

Fundamental Charter Rights, namely freedom of EXPRESSION has denied to this group of English speaking Canadian citizens.

This is relating to the fact anyone can post a sign in the language anyone chooses.

You've never, once, made any connection between race and language.

You've never, once, shown how the requirement of a bilingual sign has denied anyone the freedom to express themselves.

This is what you quoted:

No, this is what I quoted:

Now, by the constitution, provincial and municipal affairs are not a part of the federal sphere. Thus, by not involving themselves in these linguistic issues, the federal government is following every letter of the law. So you cannot claim they are acting unconstitutionally.

Morally they are.

As you did not object to the subject of my sentence, we clearly agreed on "they" as a pronoun for "the politicians," and on they being the subject of the sentence. Where you negated me was in my assertion that you - another subject - cannot claim - another verb - anything about the politicians acting unconstitutionally; to the contrary, you made the action of claiming again that the politicians are acting unconstitutionally - "they (the politicians) are (acting unconstitutionally)." However, at this time, instead of simply saying "they are" and being done with it, you added another adverb - "morally" - making your complete sentence: "morally they (the politicians) are (acting unconstitutionally)." Or, put in another order, "they are acting morally unconstitutionally."

It seems its okay for you to take your own quotes out of context in order to hide your own stupidity.

All I was referring to is that federal politician have a level of moral responsibility by attending to the concerns of majority Canadians, rather than dwell on minority demands.

We've already established that the federal government has no role in municipal affairs. Further, the guarantee of the Francophone's ability to communicate in French in Canada is constitutionally enshrined, and has been so since the Royal Proclamation of 1763. So, until you get the federal government and two thirds of the provincial governments to undertake the monsterous effort of amending the Royal Proclamation and other constitutional documents to eliminate these provisions, then asking them to disregard these stipulations in the constitution is to ask them to act unconstitutionally, which you just admonished them for when not "protecting" the majority. No wonder you seem so confused.

You are describing what Quebec politicians ARE but not describing what they are doing with their linguistic laws.

Oh, I see; you want a adverb, not a adjective. Okay, then: they are being cultural and linguistic bigots.

And what they are doing is discriminating, not against a single person, but an identifiable group namely White, English speaking Canadians.

Hm. Well, I'm glad brown English-speaking Canadians aren't targeted.

This translates into RACIAL DISCRIMINATION.

If it's because they're white, then, yes, that is racial discrimination.

Describing the different cultures in Russell would be multicultural.

Yes, I know. Only that you keep claiming that culture and race are inseperable, so "multi-cultural" is "multi-racial", in your world.

[Leafless]

I followed you out..... "mommy"

F#$&%$* queer!

[Leafless]

And you are not the first either to promote laws that go even further. But you sure are the first one to be so clueless while doing it.

The city of Ottawa without a referendum implemented and recognized this:

Note: Ottawa recognizes FEDERAL official languages in a province that is NOT officially bilingual and has NO language policy of any kind. Language is a provincial right and no one is forced to cater to federal official languages.

Note: In Ottawa's 'Declaration of Principle' they make no mention that official languages means federal official languages and NOT provincial official languages.

This is why I strongly advocate that the province primarily protect majority English speaking jobs by designating the province of Ontario officially English speaking in order to HALT the concept of FORCING 96% majority English speaking Ontarians to be discriminated on by forcing them to learn French to become artificially bilingual for NO justifiable reason.

DO YOU WANT QUEBECERS MANY OF THEM ALREADY HERE, STEALING MORE ONTARIO JOBS?

THIS IS BESIDES TAKING THEIR EARNED INCOME BACK TO QUEBEC THUS DEPLETING ONTARIO'S ECONOMY EVEN FURTHER.

Declaration of Principle

The City of Ottawa recognizes both official languages as having the same rights, status and privileges.

To this end, the City of Ottawa must:

Language of Work

Encourage employees to work in the official language of their choice;

Provide appropriate language training;

Provide assistance to employees who must or wish to write in French;

Develop and organize training programs in both official languages.

Language of Service

Take the necessary steps to provide at all times the appropriate number of bilingual employees within work units;

By appointing employees meeting the language requirements of the unit where the vacancy occurs or by providing language training to new incumbents 1 .

Cultural Programs

Ensure that cultural programs aimed at one official language group be developed by employees having full knowledge of the appropriate culture.

Complaints

The Secretariat Services Branch (French Language Services Division) will follow up on citizens' complaints concerning services in both official languages.

Communication

That all documents published by the City of Ottawa or its agencies and intended for the public (internal and external), be published in both official languages.

I. General Policy

R.1

That the City of Ottawa reiterate the bilingual character of the City as well as equality of rights and privileges for both linguistic groups in light of services offered.

R.1.1

That the City reaffirm to the community and to its employees its commitment to bilingualism and that it develop a plan and measures for furthering its policy on bilingualism.

R.1.2

That the Department of Human Resources continue to use the report "Bilingualism Policy - Work Units" as a work instrument, and that appropriate guidelines be developed.

R.1.3

That the General Manager, Human Resources be responsible for the development of this action plan and related measures.

R.1.4

That the General Manager, Human Resources, be responsible for the development of regulations and guidelines and the implementation of linguistic policies affecting employees.

R.1.5

That the City Manager submit a report indicating the appropriate cost of carrying out the recommendations contained this policy.

R.1.6

That the City Manager, the General Managers, directors and managers all be accountable for the implementation of this action plan and related measures.

That each year, the General Manager of each department prepare an annual plan on official languages describing the accomplishments during the last twelve months, submit plans or goals for the next twelve months and that they be approved with or without amendments, by City Council and made public.

R.1.7

That the General Manager, Human Resources submit progress reports on the implementation of the bilingualism policy.

R.1.8

That the City of Ottawa inform the community of the availability of services.

R.1.9

That the City distribute to employees the information pertaining to the City's Policy on bilingualism and its provisions dealing with their rights and obligations.

That the English and French languages be accepted as languages of work within the municipal administration.

R.1.9.1.

That the City inform its employees of this section and that it encourage them to use both official languages in their work.

R.1.9.2

That employees who have the opportunity, and are able to do so, be encouraged to use French on the job.

R.1.10

That Francophone employees working in related fields at the City be strongly encouraged to meet on a formal basis to discuss programs that could result in better services to the population.

R.1.11

That each Department with whom the public has contact have a bilingual capacity in order to provide services in both official languages.

R.1.11.1

That an assessment of needs in this area be undertaken.

R.1.11.2

That the City actively promote its services in both official languages.

R.1.12

That City Council reiterate its wish to offer to both official language groups comparable services and programs in their mother tongue and take the necessary action to achieve this objective.

R.1.12.1

That the quality and level of services provided in French be equal to those in English.

R.1.13

That work instruments (circulars, books and texts required for performance of duties) be made available simultaneously in both official languages.

R.1.14

That the City of Ottawa lobby provincial authorities so that legal documents, regulations and legislation be available in French and that the French text be recognized as legal at the local level.

R.1.15

That the necessary action be taken to ensure that action taken by City Council in French is recognized officially in French.

R.1.16

That each of the employee associations and unions be consulted as detailed plans are developed for the implementation of the recommendations in this report.

R.1.17

That City Council clearly give the mandate to its delegates on the Police Services Board to present in the form of recommendations all relevant aspects of the bilingualism policy adopted by City Council and to ensure that appropriate mechanisms of application are developed or implemented.

R.1.17.1

That annual performance appraisals include language objectives for employees occupying positions requiring a second language in order to evaluate progress in language training of employees who have been confirmed in their positions without first having met the language requirements of those positions.

R.1.17.2

That annual employee performance appraisals and departmental assessments reflect progress made in implementing the policy, and that quarterly and annual reports include statements on progress.

R.1.18

That policies respecting bilingual postings and publications apply to all purchase of service groups providing services directly to the public and to community associations and groups whose activities are funded by the City of Ottawa at a rate of more than 30%. Such groups are to provide a minimum of bilingual personnel at the activity site.

R.1.18.1

That a clause respecting the spirit of this section be included in agreements with associations receiving grants from the City of Ottawa and in contracts signed by the City where appropriate in accordance with the intent of this policy.

R.1.18.2

That adherence/compliance of this section be monitored.

R.1.19

That the City of Ottawa establish an Advisory Committee on French Language Services with a mandate to advise the municipal administration and Council with regard to the implementation of the Policy on bilingualism.

R.1.20

It is understood that these recommendations deal with the use of the two official languages. The City also recognizes the need of adapting its services to the needs of other language and cultural groups as the need arises and as the multi-cultural face of this community changes.

II. Language Training

R.2

That the City of Ottawa clearly identify funds spent on language training for elected representatives.

R.2.1

That the City of Ottawa advise all its employees of the opportunities for language training.

R.2.2

That each year the municipal administration encourage its unilingual employees to acquire second language skills and advise them of available programs.

R.2.2.1

That the priority for language training be given to work units whose main functions involve:

i)

communicating with the public;

ii)

advising other employees;

iii)

providing services essential to the effective operation of other Departments (administrative services, central registry, etc.).

R.2.2.2

That language training be given to intermediate and senior staff in order to ensure that the following goals are met:

i)

service to the public in both official languages at all levels;

ii)

the use of both official languages in the work place.

R.2.3

That the City offer each year to some employees who have attained level 3 in the second official language, the opportunity to take during their working hours courses given by the City of Ottawa or other public organizations.

R.2.4

That all employees who have reached levels 1 to 3 (proficiency levels: beginner, intermediate and advanced) in the second language be reimbursed any fees paid for courses taken after working hours and completed in any educational institution.

R.2.5

That the Organizational Effectiveness Branch provide assistance to employees who either want or need to use written French. (This will help make cost effective use of existing resources).

R.2.6

That concrete measures be developed to ensure that employees registered for language training and occupying positions having a bilingual requirement use their second language at work. (The Organizational Effectiveness Branch could elicit the cooperation of Francophones within the work units to support the training program by providing employees with opportunities to use their French or by providing work instruments in French).

R.2.7

That the City adopt specific language training policies and procedures.

R.2.8

That the municipal administration look into ways of improving language skills of employees at level 3, i.e., time-off with partial day, personnel exchanges between cities of Montreal and Ottawa, etc.

R.2.9

That the City of Ottawa encourage meetings to be chaired by bilingual persons, so that civic employees be able to use the official language of their choice at internal meetings, and depending on the type of meeting, that interpretation services be provided.

III. Professional Training

R.3

That professional training and development programs necessary for employee competence on the job be available in both official languages (either through courses given by the City or through other organizations).

R.3.1

That courses could be given in both official languages or in either of them.

(It is assumed that over a number of years all successful courses of significance will be offered in both official languages).

R.3.2

That courses offered in French be equal in quality to those in English.

R.3.3

That employees be advised of the availability of these services and use of these services be encouraged.

R.3.4

That courses be provided in French even if registration is low to allow time for habits to change.

R.3.5

That employees be encouraged to take their career development training in their second official language.

R.3.6

That in the short term Francophones be encouraged to take courses in French.

R.3.7

R.3.7 That guidelines be devised concerning the use of these services.

IV. Work Units

R.4

That those units whose primary function is to deal directly with the public on a full-time basis, have a full complement of bilingual staff or at least that the majority be bilingual.

R.4.1

That each work unit at the City representing a separate and specific service to the public and/or employees be able to communicate in both official languages at all times.

R.4.2

That this bilingual capacity in each work unit be available at all levels including management, administration officers and support staff.

R.4.2.1

That the City of Ottawa redistribute its human resources more adequately and inform the public of this.

R.4.2.2

That the availability of services be ensured by judicious distribution of bilingual human resources.

R.4.2.3

That use of services in both official languages be actively promoted.

R.4.2.4

That the media be used to inform the public.

R.4.2.5

(i) That all Executive and Senior Management Group positions be designated bilingual.

(ii) That the City Manager set a target to achieve a 50% rate of bilingualism among all incumbents of Executive and Senior Management Groups by January 1, 2004.

(iii) Current incumbents who could not achieve level 3 proficiency in oral interaction and reading at least three (3) years prior to their earliest possible retirement date at full pension would be excluded from calculations in the achievement of the 50% target.

R.4.3

That with respect to services delivered in neighborhood and interacting with the community (i.e., community centres, planning offices) staff language skills will match neighborhood language needs. Where one official language group predominates in a neighborhood, civic employees with ability in the dominant language will be employed. Where both official groups represent significant portions of a neighborhood population, bilingual staff will be employed.

R.4.4

That all positions with a wide range of activities related to cultural programs directed to either of the two cultural groups be staffed by employees of the respective cultural group.

R.4.4.1

That all work units with a wide range of activities related to cultural programs directed to either of the two cultural groups be sufficiently staffed by employees having full knowledge of the appropriate cultural group.

R.4.4.2

That young people and senior citizens be given priority in the delivery of services.

R.4.4.3

That special effort be made so that Francophones in the Fire Services Branch have the opportunity of working in French and so that the Francophone communities can receive services in French. This program is to be developed and implemented in close collaboration with the Fire Fighters Association and so as to maintain the safe operation of the service.

R.4.4.4

That firefighters work in the language of their choice but that each group always have at least one firefighter who can communicate in both official languages.

R.4.4.5

Since the safety of the public is a prime consideration, that City Council see that this section is put into effect as soon as possible.

R.4.4.6

That bilingual firefighters be assigned to strategically located fire stations.

R.4.4.7

Allowing for the different work shifts, that there always be a bilingual person on duty.

R.4.4.8

This section shall not apply to the volunteer firefighters component of the Fire Service.

V. Written Communication

R.5

That civic employee records be kept in the official language of their choice.

R.5.1

That employees be advised of this possibility.

R.5.2

That all documents published by the City or its agencies and addressed to the public appear in both official languages (instructions, regulations, municipal by-laws, etc.).

R.5.3

That publications be made available in both official languages simultaneously or in the language of the target group (i.e., schedule of courses in French).

R.5.4

That all written communication from the General Managers and Department of Human Resources to a number of employees and any other general circular be in both official languages.

R.5.4.1

That all other written communication may be in either official language of the choice of the writer.

R.5.5

That supervisors' memos addressed to employees of both language groups be written in both official languages.

R.5.6

That these documents always be printed side by side or back to back, except in the cases of maps, plans, or similar documents which do not lend themselves to this type of printing.

R.5.7

That the agendas of City Council meetings and its committees be available in both official languages.

R.5.8

That the publicity relating to programs and services offered to the public always be in the language of the said program.

R.5.8.1

That those responsible for the programs and services ensure the accuracy of the information and coordinate its dissemination.

R.5.8.2

That the Secretariat Services Branch see to the application or coordination of this item by ensuring that advertised, and related information, actually exists.

R.5.9

That all signs on City property or that of its agencies be bilingual or make use of international symbols.

R.5.9.1

That signs be replaced as required.

VI. Staffing

R.6

Subject to R.6.3 below, it is to be made clear that the language requirements of various positions will be fulfilled by training of the present incumbent when the incumbent does not meet language requirements, and in no instance will employees be terminated or suffer reduction in salary or wages for not meeting job language requirements.

R.6.1

That the City ensure that prospective employees of both language groups enjoy the same job and career opportunities within the municipal administration and that it implement mechanisms to meet these objectives and that implementation of mechanisms be referred to employee associations for suggestions and report back to the Corporate Services and Economic Development Committee.

R.6.2

That language capability be an integral part of any resource and career planning that the Corporation may adopt.

R.6.3

That the City make every effort to appoint bilingual people to all management positions and especially those of General Manager.

R.6.3.1

That

i)

effective immediately, all external candidates considered for Level 1 to 3 management positions be bilingual. Any exceptions, after having undertaken a comprehensive recruitment effort, shall require Council approval.

ii)

prior to December 31, 2009, all internal candidates who are not bilingual and who are promoted to Level 1 to 3 management positions be required to take second language training to meet the language requirements of the position.

iii)

as of December 31, 2009, bilingualism be considered a prerequisite for any internal promotion to a designated bilingual position within Level 1 to 3 management groups. Any exceptions, after having undertaken a comprehensive recruitment effort, shall require Council approval.

iv)

Internal candidates promoted to Level 1 to 3 management positions pursuant to paragraphs (ii) and (iii) who could not achieve level 3 proficiency in oral interaction and reading at least three (3) years prior to their earliest possible retirement date at full pension would be exempted from meeting the language requirements of the position.

R.6.4

That where in any of the work units recommended by the Senior Management Team and approved by Council there is a deficiency in the number of employees who meet the bilingual requirement of the unit, the deficiency is to be corrected in the following manner:

i)

subject to R.6.6 below, by the appointment of a sufficient number of persons with a bilingual capability to vacancies that may arise from time to time in the work units, and

ii)

by the provision of language training to a sufficient number of employees in the work unit.

R.6.5

That appointments involving employees recruited from outside the City, personnel be subject to the same conditions as applied in the case of appointments involving internal employees.

R.6.6

That where under R.6.4 i) a vacant position is to be filled in a work unit that has a deficiency in the number of employees who meet the bilingual requirement of the work unit, and application for the position is made by an employee who (i) has been in the continuous full-time employment of the former Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton, or any of the former area municipalities, since before January 1, 2001, and (ii) does not have the required bilingual capacity:

i)

the employee may be appointed to the position but on an acting basis for a period of not less than six months and not more than twelve months on the understanding that he/she will be provided with and will undertake the required language training;

ii)

the employee's appointment to the position will be confirmed if, following six months of training, it is determine that the employee is able to become, and is making reasonable efforts to become, proficient in the second language; and

iii)

the employee will revert to his/her former classification and salary whenever it is determined that he/she is not able to become, or is not making reasonable efforts to become proficient in the second language.

R.6.7

That the scheduling of the provision of language training to City employees with respect to R.6.4 ii) above be made in the context of the availability of language training facilities and the degree of priority assigned to the bilingual requirement of the work unit as recommended by the Senior Management Team and approved by Council.

R.6.8

That employees who have already become or subsequently become full-time continuous employees of the City of Ottawa on or after January 1, 2001, be informed that their career development with the City could well be related to their proficiency in both official languages, and that they be encouraged to acquire this proficiency.

R.6.9

That cultural programs aimed at one official language group be designed by employee(s) of that same cultural group.

R.6.9.1

That cultural programs aimed at one official language group be designed by employees having full knowledge of the appropriate culture.

R.6.9.2

That in this regard, civic departments, when filling a vacancy in a work unit that provides cultural programs and reviewing the draft job description prepared by the Classification Unit of the Human Resources Department, will give particular attention to the need to identify the cultural component of the job and the required knowledge of the appropriate culture.

R.6.10

That Human Resources Department develop and administer a comprehensive set of tests to assess effectively the knowledge of both official languages of all candidates for positions designated bilingual and that only those having the required language skills be considered.

R.6.10.1

That all tests administered to determine candidates skills and competence be available in both official languages.

R.6.10.2

That candidates be advised that some tests are available in the language of their choice.

R.6.10.3

That a work plan and time frame be established for the translation of other tests.

R.6.11

That all selection boards set up in view of filling a bilingual position be composed of a bilingual staff to allow candidates to use the language of their choice.

R.6.11.1

That guidelines be established with respect to the composition of selection boards.

R.6.11.2

That candidates be advised of this policy.

R.6.12

That hiring and promotion of staff at the City of Ottawa shall continue to be according to the merit principle. Notwithstanding other provisions of this policy, decisions about the hiring and promotion of staff are, subject to any applicable collective agreement or contract of employment, based on the ability of the candidate to perform the duties of the position applied for and the suitability of the candidate for that position.

VII. Translation

R.7

That the City establish an adequate Translation and Revision Section.

R.7.1

That the Secretariat Services Branch (French Language Services Division) carry out an analysis and evaluation of these services on a regular basis.

R.7.2

That adequate human resources be made available to ensure a reasonable turnaround time.

R.7.3

In order to ensure fast, quality service at a reasonable cost, that the use of freelance translators, revisors or interpreters be considered, and that a directory of such resources be compiled.

R.7.4

That the City of Ottawa set priorities and requirements with regards to translation.

R.7.5

That the City of Ottawa adopt a policy on the use of translation and interpretation services.

R.7.6

That a precise policy be established with respect to:

i)

general access to services (translation and interpretation);

ii)

general revision and revision of previously translated documents;

iii)

standardization of terminology.

R.7.7

That use of these services be encouraged and that employees be informed of their existence and the policies governing their use.

R.7.8

That the City of Ottawa be selective in its use of translation and that the section concentrate on revision and editing of texts as the requirements for translation decrease.

VIII. Language of Supervision

R.8

The policy that civic employees be supervised in the official language of their choice be a long term objective to which the City move in a gradual, practical manner.

R.8.1

That services provided to staff (salary, counselling, etc.) be available in the official language of the employees.

IX. Complaints

R.9

That a follow-up procedure be established for handling complaints and for receiving comments and suggestions; and that the City make the general public aware of this procedure.

References

Career Management Centre

Staffing and Recruitment Policy

Corporate Tool Kit

Legislated and Administrative Authorities

City of Ottawa Act, Ontario, 1999

French Language Services Act, Ontario, 1989

City Council, May 9th, 2001

City Council, February 27th, 2002

City Council, November 27th, 2002

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Edited August 6, 2008 by Leafless

[CANADIEN]

There is no such thing as a bilingual community.

What you have are the residents of Russell who speak two different languages with one being the English language which is also the de-facto language of all of Canada.

You almost have a point there... Too bad you keep ignoring the fact that English is not the de-facto language of more than one-fifth of Canadians..

Relating to language and to be to be accepted as real, YES.

Everyone accepts the reality that French is spoken in Russell, even those who don't like it. Except you apparently, but we already know you're clueless.

What Russell Township is doing is RACIALLY DISCRIMINATING against an identifiable group of Canadian citizens namely White, English speaking Canadians via discriminatory language sign policies.

Fundamental Charter Rights, namely freedom of EXPRESSION has denied to this group of English speaking Canadian citizens.

The fallacy of this argument has been demonstrated often enough, yet you keep proving you don't get it. At least now you are adding yet another spin... Must I conclude that Black English speakingCanadians living in Russell are not discriminated against? :lol:

This is relating to the fact anyone can post a sign in the language anyone chooses.

Unless you get your wish to have laws prohibiting signs in languages other than English.

Edited August 6, 2008 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Further, the guarantee of the Francophone's ability to communicate in French in Canada is constitutionally enshrined, and has been so since the Royal Proclamation of 1763. So, until you get the federal government and two thirds of the provincial governments to undertake the monsterous effort of amending the Royal Proclamation and other constitutional documents to eliminate these provisions, then asking them to disregard these stipulations in the constitution is to ask them to act unconstitutionally, which you just admonished them for when not "protecting" the majority. No wonder you seem so confused.

I would dispute the claim that linguistic rights protections was recognized as early as 1763, but beyond that you got it right.

[CANADIEN]

The city of Ottawa without a referendum implemented and recognized this:

Note: Ottawa recognizes FEDERAL official languages in a province that is NOT officially bilingual and has NO language policy of any kind.

The fact that Ontario has a law providing for provincial services in French and a law mandating municipal services in English in French has been proven on this thread. Another fallacy of yours.

This is why I strongly advocate that the province primarily protect majority English speaking jobs by designating the province of Ontario officially English speaking in order to HALT the concept of FORCING 96% majority English speaking Ontarians to be discriminated on by forcing them to learn French to become artificially bilingual for NO justifiable reason.

Nothing to do with the Frenchies being inferior... yeah right.

The policy enacted by the democratically elected Ottawa city council is entirely justifed by the fact that (a) Ottawa is the capital of a country with two official languages, (b-) the French language has a status of language of provincial services in Ontario, and (c-) the percentage of the population that speaks French is high enough to justify providing at least some services in French.

And nobody forces anyone to learn French. You don't want to learn it, do like I do with Spanish or, for that matter, with auto mechanics. I don't learn it, and I don't whine about it when I find it is a legitimate requirement for a certain job.

DO YOU WANT QUEBECERS MANY OF THEM ALREADY HERE, STEALING MORE ONTARIO JOBS?

The Constitution recognizes the right of all Canadians to live in any part of the country. BTW are Franco-ONTARIANS stealing Ontario jobs?

Mind you, I am all for Ottawa municipal jobs being reserved for citizens of Ottawa... as long of course as they meet legitimate job requirements, linguistic and others.

Edited August 6, 2008 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

The new by-law in Russell Township mandates both French and English on commercial signs.

I can't wait for Leafless to jump to the defense of Francophone store owners whose freedom of expression is violated by the requirement to have English on their signs.

[Bryan]

The new by-law in Russell Township mandates both French and English on commercial signs.

I can't wait for Leafless to jump to the defense of Francophone store owners whose freedom of expression is violated by the requirement to have English on their signs.

I does work both ways though. The business owner is the only one who should decide what language is on anything related to his/her business. If they want to make all signage, advertising, etc, in Swahili, that is their decision to make, not the rest of the town or its elected council. Even if not a single person in said town speaks Swahili.

ANY edict that dictates otherwise is overt fascism.

Edited August 7, 2008 by Bryan

[CANADIEN]

I does work both ways though. The business owner is the only one who should decide what language is on anything related to his/her business. If they want to make all signage, advertising, etc, in Swahili, that is their decision to make, not the rest of the town or its elected council. Even if not a single person in said town speaks Swahili.

ANY edict that dictates otherwise is overt fascism.

Governments have better things to do than to regulate language on business signs. As I said before, I believe the by-law in question to be unnecessary, and an inadequate response to commercial practices that clearly disrespect a sizeable proportion of the local population.

But fascist? Not by any definition of the term. Also, it can hardly be argued that the by-law violates freedom of expression: the opinion of the UN Human Rights Commission in McIntyre vs Canada ( the case on Quebec's signage law)) stated that while prohibition of any language on commercial signs violated freedom of expression, mandating that one or more language be present does not preclude freedom of expression.

BTW, here's the definition of fascism from the online Merriam-Webster dictionary

1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

Edited August 7, 2008 by CANADIEN

[Leafless]

You almost have a point there... Too bad you keep ignoring the fact that English is not the de-facto language of more than one-fifth of Canadians..

You are in no position to dictate play judge as any judge would realize that 4/5 English speaking Canadians constitutes an overwhelming linguistic majority that does NOT need to be influenced by any small minority language.

Everyone accepts the reality that French is spoken in Russell, even those who don't like it. Except you apparently, but we already know you're clueless.

Your continual personal insults paint a true picture of what you really are namely an inferior, dominating arrogant Francophone.

No one cares what languages are spoken in Russell and that is what the true reality is.

The fallacy of this argument has been demonstrated often enough, yet you keep proving you don't get it. At least now you are adding yet another spin... Must I conclude that Black English speakingCanadians living in Russell are not discriminated against?

The only thing I get is that English speaking jobs are being stolen by an inferior culture jealous of the popularity of the free flowing English language.

You can conclude anything your flawed little mind dictates.

Unless you get your wish to have laws prohibiting signs in languages other than English.

Combating Quebec type racial discrimination being propagated in Ontario by Ontario Francophones leaves NO other choice.

[Leafless]

The fact that Ontario has a law providing for provincial services in French and a law mandating municipal services in English in French has been proven on this thread. Another fallacy of yours.

Nothing to do with the Frenchies being inferior... yeah right.

Oh yes, which the proven formula 'HOW TO ALLOW FRANCOPHONES THAT REPRESENT APPROX. 4% OF ONTARIO'S POPULATION TO STEAL ONTARIO ENGLISH SPEAKING JOBS UTILIZING CORRUPT BILINGUALISM POLICIES.

This is including the fact forcing majority English paying tax payers to pay for whining inferior Francophones corrupt provincial services and bilingualism policies.

The policy enacted by the democratically elected Ottawa city council is entirely justified by the fact that (a) Ottawa is the capital of a country with two official languages,

Federal official language policies do not constitute an official policy that provinces must adhere to the discriminatory federal official languages.

Quebec is a province that besides not respecting federal official languages has designated French as Quebec's official language plus incorporates a separate French language charter that racially discriminates against MAJORITY English speaking Canadians.

To add insult to insult, Gatineau a city in Quebec which dysfunctional federal governments 'kiss butt to' IS PART OF THE NATIONAL CAPITAL REGION'.

Shove off big time phony CANADIEN.

(b-) the French language has a status of language of provincial services in Ontario, and (c-) the percentage of the population that speaks French is high enough to justify providing at least some services in French.

Small clusters of Francophones throughout the country of Canada proves NOTHING.

How about you going over to the province of Quebec and preach linguistic justifications.

And if you did do that you would probably be charged with rebel rousing with intentions to incite a riot.

And nobody forces anyone to learn French.

Then why is 4% of Ontario's population utilizing discriminatory language laws utilizing a vehicle call 'bilingualism'?

You don't want to learn it, do like I do with Spanish or, for that matter, with auto mechanics.

Because I don't have to learn any foreign language, as the English language is the de-facto language of Canada.

I don't learn it, and I don't whine about it when I find it is a legitimate requirement for a certain job.

The Constitution recognizes the right of all Canadians to live in any part of the country. BTW are Franco-ONTARIANS stealing Ontario jobs?

With existing language policies in place, YES.

The 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a legislatively implemented amendment relating to our inherited British Constitution 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms' WITHOUT the input of Canadian citizens via a national referendum. How humiliating this is for Canadian citizens who were denied the justifable right to be part of the decission making and ruled by a dictated constitution decided by a handfull of politicians.

You know very well users of a minority language must utilize the de-facto language of the land to justifiably gain employment.

Mind you, I am all for Ottawa municipal jobs being reserved for citizens of Ottawa... as long of course as they meet legitimate job requirements, linguistic and others.

To bad Ottawa's linguistic job requirements are corrupt and designed to do what English Canadians did freely and naturally to propagate their language.

[Leafless]

The new by-law in Russell Township mandates both French and English on commercial signs.

I can't wait for Leafless to jump to the defense of Francophone store owners whose freedom of expression is violated by the requirement to have English on their signs.

Russell Township has been brought to court for violating charter fundamental freedoms namely freedom of expression.

[Leafless]

ANY edict that dictates otherwise is overt fascism.

Absolutely.

Welcome to the REAL Canada.

[g_bambino]

I would dispute the claim that linguistic rights protections was recognized as early as 1763, but beyond that you got it right.

Hmm.. It seems you're right. I was under the impression that the Royal Proclamation of 1763 guaranteed the inhabitants of Quebec the use of the French language. But, after having a read through it, it seems I'm wrong. The Quebec Act of 1774, however, states that the residents in Quebec may "hold and enjoy their Property and Possessions, together with all Customs and Usages relative thereto, and all other their Civil Rights." Would "customs" include language?

I know the British North America Act 1867 made the federal government bilingual, but I'm sure there were earlier laws making French an official language in Canada. Any ideas?

Edited August 7, 2008 by g_bambino

[g_bambino]

Your continual personal insults paint a true picture of what you really are.

Oh, how cute. Let's apply that to the person who stated both it and the following:

name='Leafless' date='Aug 7 2008, 08:47 AM' post='327471' - You really are... an inferior, dominating arrogant Francophone.

name='Leafless' date='Aug 7 2008, 08:47 AM' post='327471' - You can conclude anything your flawed little mind dictates.

name='Leafless' date='Aug 6 2008, 04:11 PM' post='327340' - F#$&%$* queer!

name='Leafless' date='Aug 6 2008, 12:47 PM' post='327301' - Who let you out of the closet, FAG?

name='Leafless' date='Aug 5 2008, 01:22 PM' post='327065' - Are you a F#$%#^**$ commie. (Admittedly a bit vague as it's worded like a question but punctuated like a statement.)

name='Leafless' date='Aug 5 2008, 12:02 PM' post='327047' - Oh yes, you are university educated....that was the University of '0', right.

name='Leafless' date='Aug 4 2008, 02:11 AM' post='326909' - I really don't give a damn about you and your and your three or four extreme socialist nut cases.

name='Leafless' date='Aug 3 2008, 03:43 PM' post='326816' - How would you know?...commie boy.

name='Leafless' date='Aug 3 2008, 12:55 PM' post='326789' - You must be French/French lackey.

name='Leafless' date='Aug 3 2008, 12:51 PM' post='326788' - The toddler, moron, is inactive federal and provincial governments...

name='Leafless' date='Aug 3 2008, 12:34 PM' post='326784' - You are a sniveling turn coat.

name='Leafless' date='Aug 3 2008, 12:34 PM' post='326784' - Its your dismal comprehension that is responsible for you continually using the word 'contradict'.

name='Leafless' date='Aug 2 2008, 03:25 PM' post='326726' - Looks like you are out to lunch.

name='Leafless' date='Jul 30 2008, 02:10 AM' post='326132' - You are out to lunch.

name='Leafless' date='Jul 26 2008, 05:37 PM' post='325707' - I mocked the smart ass back.

name='Leafless' date='Jul 26 2008, 12:04 AM' post='325631' - You must think this is Russia and you are part of the Russian Gestapo.

name='Leafless' date='Jul 25 2008, 09:49 PM' post='325617' - It seems this is your normal way of trying to win debates with personal insults and childlike French comedy.

name='Leafless' date='Jul 25 2008, 09:49 PM' post='325617' - You are plain nuts.

name='Leafless' date='Jul 24 2008, 01:22 PM' post='325347' - It would be advantageous to everyone if you included the full statement so everyone who reads your drivel can reflect on WTF you are talking about.

name='Leafless' date='Jul 24 2008, 01:22 PM' post='325347' - Another personal attack by the unintelligent. (That one almost make an art out of hypocricy, it contradicts itself with such economy!)

name='Leafless' date='Jul 21 2008, 09:50 PM' post='324995' - Is this not good enough for you...little boy?

name='Leafless' date='Jul 21 2008, 09:50 PM' post='324995' - You are racially twisted.

name='Leafless' date='Jul 21 2008, 12:54 PM' post='324852' - Learn to comprehend simple words.

name='Leafless' date='Jul 18 2008, 09:05 PM' post='324445' - How is the little hacker doing to-day?

name='Leafless' date='Jul 18 2008, 01:42 PM' post='324352' - You are drowning in your own horse manure.

name='Leafless' date='Jun 29 2008, 07:01 PM' post='321595' - Trudeau couldn't have said it better, commie.

name='Leafless' date='Jun 29 2008, 06:52 PM' post='321590' - Little fellow, you are a screwed up communist along with your other evil communist propagandist.

name='Leafless' date='Jun 28 2008, 01:51 PM' post='321474' - Stop being an idiot...

name='Leafless' date='Jun 28 2008, 01:51 PM' post='321474' - You are simply being a fool.

name='Leafless' date='Jun 28 2008, 01:03 PM' post='321471' - Why don't you stick to your specialty, religion, bigot.

name='Leafless' date='Jun 27 2008, 12:27 PM' post='321324' - You are a two faced turn coat....

name='Leafless' date='Jun 27 2008, 12:27 PM' post='321324' - Yes, Hitler would be proud of you...

name='Leafless' date='Jun 25 2008, 09:04 PM' post='321059' - You are a being smart ass and this forum is no place to accommodate your immature comments.

name='Leafless' date='Jun 25 2008, 09:04 PM' post='321059' - Go find another country to spread your horse m*nure...

name='Leafless' date='Jun 24 2008, 05:36 PM' post='320832' - Power that cart a little faster--o.k.

name='Leafless' date='Jun 19 2008, 10:09 PM' post='320097' - The only thing I get tired of is people like you.

name='Leafless' date='Jun 19 2008, 05:24 PM' post='320057' - Go to hell, moron. The only point you prove is related to the shape of your head.

name='Leafless' date='Jun 19 2008, 05:22 PM' post='320056' - Oh yes, its silly Dancer... Understand this you condescending bastard. GO TO HELL.

name='Leafless' date='Jun 19 2008, 05:12 PM' post='320053' - Beats yours, moron!

name='Leafless' date='Jun 19 2008, 05:06 PM' post='320052' - The only disconnect is in your brain, Dancers included.

name='Leafless' date='Jun 19 2008, 11:52 AM' post='319957' - Learn to read before you post.

name='Leafless' date='Jun 6 2008, 07:57 PM' post='317515' - I did hit Dancer on his misspelled words including 'English' and threw back misspelled 'arthritic' to the little homosexual.

name='Leafless' date='May 15 2008, 10:22 AM' post='312629' - Your screen name makes it very clear how bigoted you are.

name='Leafless' date='May 15 2008, 12:47 AM' post='312588' - They are bigots, like you.

name='Leafless' date='May 15 2008, 12:47 AM' post='312588' - Personal attacks are repetitious with you, a sure sign of lack of intelligence to properly debate issues. (Oh, the self-derogation!)

name='Leafless' date='May 14 2008, 12:46 PM' post='312372' - Who needs comedy when we got YOU.

name='Leafless' date='May 14 2008, 12:31 PM' post='312368' - You must be blind as well as dumb.

Phew! And that's only from this one particular thread. So, kids, let's remember what the sage Leafless said: "continual personal insults paint a true picture of what you really are." Words to live by!

[Leafless]

Oh, how cute. Let's apply that to the person who stated both it and the following:

Phew! And that's only from this one particular thread. So, kids, let's remember what the sage Leafless said: "continual personal insults paint a true picture of what you really are." Words to live by!

Moderators did not take action against the barrage of insults complete with 'laughing smileys' directed against myself, mainly from bambino (that's you), CANADIEN, Dancer and guyser.

So I simply started returning the compliments.

If you compiled a list of PERSONAL insults directed against myself, including the more serious ones relating to language discrimination, it would be many times longer than the list you provided.