October 2007 monthly deficit cause for alarm?

[jdobbin]

One monthly deficit?

Good article, and if the past is any measure, our federal finances will continue to diminish with Flaherty. But it hasn't happened yet.

It is a wonder, given Flaherty's reputation for getting it wrong in Finance, that he was allowed to take the portfolio. Perhaps, it was because Ernie Eves wasn't available for the job.

Deficits and Ontario Tories are synonymous.

[Michael Bluth]

It is a wonder, given Flaherty's reputation for getting it wrong in Finance, that he was allowed to take the portfolio. Perhaps, it was because Ernie Eves wasn't available for the job.

Deficits and Ontario Tories are synonymous.

No comment on your misrepresented thread title being changed?

[jdobbin]

That's just because you still don't get the math part.

It is probably why Tories should be kept away from the financial books.

[Michael Bluth]

It is probably why Tories should be kept away from the financial books.

While I appreciate the attention of being followed so closely perhaps it is better to make a point when doing so.

The Mulroney Tories dealt with the fiasco of Trudeau.

Harris had to clean up after Rae.

Harper is still headed for a record surplus this fiscal year.

Yup, keep those Tories around the books.

[Shakeyhands]

While I appreciate the attention of being followed so closely perhaps it is better to make a point when doing so.

The Mulroney Tories dealt with the fiasco of Trudeau.

Harris had to clean up after Rae.

Harper is still headed for a record surplus this fiscal year.

Yup, keep those Tories around the books.

Is it still stalking when the person can't see yuour posts???

I think you perhaps have some revisionist history going on here Michael.

With the recession that Rae dealt with and Federal downloading by Wilson, all in all he did what he had to do, was he perfect, not by a long shot but you can hardly lay the blame for Ontario's problems solely at his feet.

Harris did more harm to this province than most can fathom, and to put Flaherty in finance is like putting the fox in with the hens.

[jdobbin]

With the recession that Rae dealt with and Federal downloading by Wilson, all in all he did what he had to do, was he perfect, not by a long shot but you can hardly lay the blame for Ontario's problems solely at his feet.

Harris did more harm to this province than most can fathom, and to put Flaherty in finance is like putting the fox in with the hens.

Walkerton and Ipperwash are certainly interesting areas that are solely within the Harris government's domain and they did a rather poor job at handling those.

[Michael Bluth]

Is it still stalking when the person can't see yuour posts???

I think you perhaps have some revisionist history going on here Michael.

He sees them. Sort of like a three year-old sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling 'I can't hear you.' Grown adults recognize the behaviour for what it is.

Revisionist history?

Rae was a terrible economic manager. His reign of error ended any chance of an NDP government federally for a generation.

We are still digging out from the morass Trudeau left us in.

[BubberMiley]

He sees them. Sort of like a three year-old sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling 'I can't hear you.' Grown adults recognize the behaviour for what it is.

I think when the Ignore function is turned on, you only see the posts when others quote them. I've tried it a few times, but find that willfully ignoring by not bothering to read works much better.

[Michael Bluth]

I think when the Ignore function is turned on, you only see the posts when others quote them. I've tried it a few times, but find that willfully ignoring by not bothering to read works much better.

That's the more appropriate and mature way to deal with things.

By publicly pronouncing you aren't reading what a certain poster posts than replying to their posts but not quoting them.

Well it's very passive-aggressive and sad. Symptomatic of feelings of impotence on some level.

[jdobbin]

I think when the Ignore function is turned on, you only see the posts when others quote them. I've tried it a few times, but find that willfully ignoring by not bothering to read works much better.

That's how I see any post from my ignore list. It seems to drive the ignored person insane but I can't be responsible for that.

Oh, and to keep this thread on topic: Tory budget. Deficit.

[Michael Bluth]

That's how I see any post from my ignore list. It seems to drive the ignored person insane but I can't be responsible for that.

Insane? That appears to be trolling. As I said earlier the behaviour of a three year-old.

Better insanity that incompetence and impotence I guess.

Oh, and to keep this thread on topic: Tory budget. Deficit.

Yet, another lie.

Edited December 23, 2007 by Michael Bluth

[Argus]

It is probably why Tories should be kept away from the financial books.

And Liberals should be kept away from loose cash unless there's a cop around to pat them down when they leave the room.

[Argus]

Walkerton and Ipperwash are certainly interesting areas that are solely within the Harris government's domain and they did a rather poor job at handling those.

Walkerton was hardly their fault. They could not have anticipated a municipality would put drunken liars and crooks in charge of their water system.

As for Ipperwash, what the Liberals have done is complete surrender.

Interestingly, though this is provincial, the federal message voters keep sending is they like that Harper is a strong leader - in contrast to Dion, who is seen as a weakling.

[jdobbin]

Walkerton was hardly their fault. They could not have anticipated a municipality would put drunken liars and crooks in charge of their water system.

As for Ipperwash, what the Liberals have done is complete surrender.

Interestingly, though this is provincial, the federal message voters keep sending is they like that Harper is a strong leader - in contrast to Dion, who is seen as a weakling.

Walkerton was offloading to the municipalities. How many provincial inspectors were turfed?

As for Ipperwash, Harris told the police to go in and clear it out.

And Harper was way down in the almost every poll compared to Martin until the last days of the election.

[jdobbin]

And Liberals should be kept away from loose cash unless there's a cop around to pat them down when they leave the room.

I thought the Tories said the cops were in on it with the Liberals.

[Michael Bluth]

And Liberals should be kept away from loose cash unless there's a cop around to pat them down when they leave the room.

Maybe if they get caught stealing *more than* $1.14 Million they will admit their mistakes.

It was a culture of entitlement that lasted for too long and has thankfully come to an end.

[BubberMiley]

And Liberals should be kept away from loose cash unless there's a cop around to pat them down when they leave the room.

I thought Mulroney was a Tory.

[jbg]

That's how I see any post from my ignore list. It seems to drive the ignored person insane but I can't be responsible for that.

Especially when the "ignoring" is coupled with a raft of complaints about "cross-posting".

[Eric James]

Frankly though, I have no objection to seeing the federal government budget in deficit. (It's not). I would prefer to see this "deficit fetish" turn into a "spending fetish". Why does a headline about a "deficit" attract so much attention but a headline about "more government spending" is just another "dog-bites-man" story?

Well you can thank conservatives in the country for that one. The whole idea of governments increasing spending goes against the concept of small(er) government.

(When I say conservatives I mean supports of the neo-liberal, right-wing movement - these can be members of any political party.)

Edited December 24, 2007 by Eric James

[Keepitsimple]

Walkerton was offloading to the municipalities. How many provincial inspectors were turfed?

As for Ipperwash, Harris told the police to go in and clear it out.

And Harper was way down in the almost every poll compared to Martin until the last days of the election.

It's difficult for many people to be objective about these two issues because the media - The Star and the G & M used such vitriole against Harris - they and the opposition, cast him as the devil - a heartless, uncaring man. Against that backdrop, rational thinking was lost. More than once, the Star called Harris a murderer. There is no doubt that Harris was abrasive but as stated before, in the case of Walkerton - no amount of downloading or reduction in inspectors could have foreseen or forestalled the fact that the problem was with drunken liars appointed by the Municipality. It never happened anywhere else in Ontario's hundre4ds of other municipalities - or all of Canada for that matter. As for Ipperwash, yes he wanted the Indians out of the park and his orders were to quickly get an injunction to legally turf the protestors. The OPP jumped the gun. All they had to do was back off and wait. We'll never know what was in the mind of the officer who shot Dudley George because Kenneth Deane died in a car accident before the hearings. All Harris did was push for an injunction to "get the F****ing indians out of the park".

[jbg]

We'll never know what was in the mind of the officer who shot Dudley George because Kenneth Deane died in a car accident before the hearings.

Dudley George was a great Canadian patriot, and major contributor to the community. His loss is Canada's loss.

[runningdog]

So here you go, folks, if you follow the above liberal spinmeistering by dobbin, you can learn much from the constant denial and personal attack refrain. Deny, spin and repeat.

If you'll notice, he never addresses the underlying issue, that the one time deficit is actually a good sign, since as a liberal he really thinks anything the Tories do is wrong no matter what it is.

Hey dobbin, why don't you accuse me of a personal attack again, but this time use a frowny face!

honestly, you and blueth have become so boring. If you have a point to make, make it and leave the childish attacks out.

[jdobbin]

It's difficult for many people to be objective about these two issues because the media - The Star and the G & M used such vitriole against Harris - they and the opposition, cast him as the devil - a heartless, uncaring man. Against that backdrop, rational thinking was lost. More than once, the Star called Harris a murderer. There is no doubt that Harris was abrasive but as stated before, in the case of Walkerton - no amount of downloading or reduction in inspectors could have foreseen or forestalled the fact that the problem was with drunken liars appointed by the Municipality. It never happened anywhere else in Ontario's hundre4ds of other municipalities - or all of Canada for that matter. As for Ipperwash, yes he wanted the Indians out of the park and his orders were to quickly get an injunction to legally turf the protestors. The OPP jumped the gun. All they had to do was back off and wait. We'll never know what was in the mind of the officer who shot Dudley George because Kenneth Deane died in a car accident before the hearings. All Harris did was push for an injunction to "get the F****ing indians out of the park".

You might be right that Walkerton might have happened to anyone. David Peterson said as much. But with all things, the buck has to stop somewhere. People died and the electorate were looking for leadership on the provincial front and were greatly disappointed. Not everything is media driven. The anger and fear of many people about their safety or their rights were directed solely at the government that had the most authority to act.

[madmax]

Not quite getting your point.

Should there be two sets of rules for posters here?

Trolling is against the rules. That appears to be the reason the title was changed. Bravo to the mods for enforcing the rules.

Trolling is against the rules and since I have been here I have seen some pretty big misleading whoppers for thread titles. (Sometimes that's the fun being here).

I am not a fan of big brother, but every now and then the moderator needs to step in to keep order.

We don't have trolls here :angry:

We have ninja assassins

Ah, Christmas is coming (can i say that?)

Regardless, is the monthly deficit a cause for alarm ?

A: NO

Was this title offensive?

A: imho NO

Of course if I am wrong in the latter answer, I could be wrong in the former answer.

[Argus]

Walkerton was offloading to the municipalities. How many provincial inspectors were turfed?

Irrelevent. The system was working. It took an active conspiracy to fool it. The same situation today would result in no different circumstances.

As for Ipperwash, Harris told the police to go in and clear it out.

And Harper was way down in the almost every poll compared to Martin until the last days of the election.

Are you suggesting that because Martin was a weak leader who couldn't make decisions people won't mind Dion - another weakling who can't make decisions?

Why don't the Liberals have anyone who is intelligent, honest, and capable in their senior ranks? Or is it that such people have no place in that party?