IF you want don't to join, change it!

[Topaz]

Environment minister is doing just that. They don't like Kyoto so now they want to change it to suit Canada more. China is doing a better job than Canada is and IF a Dem gets into the White House, Canada will probably be standing alone, just like the Cons are standing alone in CANADA! I'm also wondering , can the Cons change the Kyoto agreement??

[Wilber]

Environment minister is doing just that. They don't like Kyoto so now they want to change it to suit Canada more. China is doing a better job than Canada is and IF a Dem gets into the White House, Canada will probably be standing alone, just like the Cons are standing alone in CANADA! I'm also wondering , can the Cons change the Kyoto agreement??

China is doing a better job than Canada? Do you just sit around and dream this crap up?

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[Topaz]

China is doing a better job than Canada? Do you just sit around and dream this crap up?

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The better is, they know they have to clean up their country and they know that their people are getting sick and are WILLING to start the process. I know they are worse off more than Canada but when you look at the situation what has Baird done so far.... he's giving people living in cities a 15% return on the income tax for taking the bus!! Canand is not lloking good in the world and the Haper gov't will probably fall over the environment.

[Wilber]

The better is, they know they have to clean up their country and they know that their people are getting sick and are WILLING to start the process. I know they are worse off more than Canada but when you look at the situation what has Baird done so far.... he's giving people living in cities a 15% return on the income tax for taking the bus!! Canand is not lloking good in the world and the Haper gov't will probably fall over the environment.

So far all they have done is sign agreements from which they are either exempt or have no targets, while their emissions continue to skyrocket. Reminds me of a certain Liberal government.

[Riverwind]

The better is, they know they have to clean up their country and they know that their people are getting sick and are WILLING to start the process.

And you actually believe them? This is a country where the government admits that 15% of the food products sold do not meet basic quality standards. China might sign on but its corrupt government will be incapable of enforcing any regulations that it sets.

Canand is not lloking good in the world and the Haper gov't will probably fall over the environment.

You are assuming that CO2 is actually a problem. There is a lot of good evidence that suggests that the IPCC is wrong and that CO2 is not the cause of any warming.

[Wilber]

Harpers position that any agreement that doesn't include the US and China is a waste of time couldn't be vindicated more than by Birol's statement.

[Topaz]

Ok, let me come in at a different direction. China did sign Kyoto. IF Harper had been PM there wouldn't be a Kyoto and pollution and greenhouses gas would be even higher around the world and especially Canada. How far has the grrenhouse gases dropped since Harper has been in half power? I heard on the news last night, that they are find cancer causing agents in the Athabasa (sp)River because of the oil sands. In the end , it doesn't matter what other countries do, except the US, we do get their pollution, its what the PM is going to do for Canada to keep it clean and safe and if he can't do it then resign and let some in there that can at least try!

[Wilber]

Ok, let me come in at a different direction. China did sign Kyoto. IF Harper had been PM there wouldn't be a Kyoto and pollution and greenhouses gas would be even higher around the world and especially Canada. How far has the grrenhouse gases dropped since Harper has been in half power? I heard on the news last night, that they are find cancer causing agents in the Athabasa (sp)River because of the oil sands. In the end , it doesn't matter what other countries do, except the US, we do get their pollution, its what the PM is going to do for Canada to keep it clean and safe and if he can't do it then resign and let some in there that can at least try!

China signed Kyoto but is exempt from its targets. So is India. So what? Didn't you read the link? China will be the largest emitter by the end of this year and if its emissions continue to increase at the present rate will equal the rest of the world combined in 18 years. Throw India into the mix and the mind boggles. Canada is responsible for just over 2% of world CO2 emissions. The US, China and India account for about 55%. If Harper had been PM we wouldn't have committed our selves to targets we couldn't and had no intention of meeting. Nothing would be different except we wouldn't look like hypocrites in front of the rest of the world.

"Without having China on board, without having them play a significant role, all these efforts, none of it, will make any sense," Birol was quoted as saying.

[Wilber]

How far has the grrenhouse gases dropped since Harper has been in half power?

They rose 30% between the time Chretien signed on to Kyoto and Harper came to power.

[Borg]

Environment minister is doing just that. They don't like Kyoto so now they want to change it to suit Canada more. China is doing a better job than Canada is and IF a Dem gets into the White House, Canada will probably be standing alone, just like the Cons are standing alone in CANADA! I'm also wondering , can the Cons change the Kyoto agreement??

Just dropped in on this thread.

Wow!

I cannot believe I just read what you wrote.

Time for you to go and see for yourself.

China doing better?

Sorry, but you could not be further from the truth.

You get out and about, you will see that good old left leaning canuckville is actually doing far better than most doomsayers think.

Sure, lets shut down a couple of coal powered plants and replace them with nukes. Not likely.

Let's just import more power from a coal fired plant in the U.S. - at least it makes us look good.

The biggest prob with canucks - they want their cake and intend to eat it as well.

Fools want Kyoto - kill the economy - and then have no plan to replace the power they lost.

Or, instead plan to ship billions to other countries for pollution credits.

Billions. Hell of a solution - keep polluting and ship the money out of country.

I often wonder if anyone thinks it might be better to keep that money at home?

I certainly do - and yes I know the excuses for shipping it.

Perhaps we all need to dip into our ever diminishing piggy banks and ship 10% of that residual to China? So they can manufacture even more goods for us to buy - and our own folks lose jobs?

It is NOT just about emmissions!

So time for you to get out and have a look around before you make these types of statements.

Borg

[Canadian Blue]

First of all Canada should and must do something as climate change. This is especially true considering the fact that most of the scientific community generally agrees to a varying extent that manmade CO2 emissions have a negative impact on the earth. Lets not take into consideration all of the creationist scientists down in Kansas and the noted scientist from Kazakhstan's primary university who say otherwise.

I think that Canada should look first at alternative energy, in much the same way that many of the Scandinavian countries have. The United States should also follow the lead of the Scandinavian countries as well, this can both help the environment, and break their dependance on foriegn oil from backward islamic states such as Saudi Arabia.

[fellowtraveller]

The obvious thing for Harper to do is to sign whatever KyoTwo says, and do it publicly.

Next, do nothing and never even consider an implementation plan.

It worked well for the Liberals, why not him?

[Topaz]

Harper has probably told his children to do something and they have said "I can't" and Harper came back and said, "how do you know you can't if you don't even TRY" Well this government is just like that that example. The world won't even listen to Canada because it hasn't put its money were its mouth is? Of course, I did hear today something about Harper giving away 1 Million to the something to do world's environment. The people of Canada and the US both want a cleaner world the mega rich only care about the $$$ sign. By 2012, the oil sands unfortunely is creating 100 mil tonnes of pollution. 29kg of co2 for a barrel of oil and oil sands barrel creates up to 125 kg.

[Moxie]

First of all Canada should and must do something as climate change. This is especially true considering the fact that most of the scientific community generally agrees to a varying extent that manmade CO2 emissions have a negative impact on the earth. Lets not take into consideration all of the creationist scientists down in Kansas and the noted scientist from Kazakhstan's primary university who say otherwise.

I think that Canada should look first at alternative energy, in much the same way that many of the Scandinavian countries have. The United States should also follow the lead of the Scandinavian countries as well, this can both help the environment, and break their dependance on foriegn oil from backward islamic states such as Saudi Arabia.

I concur, sadly the oil industry owns the patents on just about every idea for alternative energy. We don't stand a chance of changing our dependancy on oil unless we negate the oil industrys right to own tecnology that might exists as alternative energy. They have scientist working day and night think up pie in the sky tecnology on the off chance someone might find an alternative to oil. They own us now and in the future unless we act to negate their "Patent" rights of ownership of "Ideas".

[Wilber]

The people of Canada and the US both want a cleaner world the mega rich only care about the $$$ sign. By 2012, the oil sands unfortunely is creating 100 mil tonnes of pollution. 29kg of co2 for a barrel of oil and oil sands barrel creates up to 125 kg.

Everyone wants a cleaner world but at what cost. Everyone cares about the $$$ sign because they don't want to wind up mega poor. Our present economy needs oil and lots of it to function. Until that changes we are stuck with it and it ain't going to change overnight no matter what we do. The stupid thing about the tar sands is we are burning one kind of fossil fuel to produce another. We should be using nukes to provide the energy to extract the oil, not natural gas.