The U.S. in an insane moment - Man in Florida on trial for FEEDING HOM

[shavluk]

Sounds like some of you are on their city council.

http://www.wftv.com/news/14289861/detail.html?reddit

***In April, Montanez was arrested for violating the city ordinance that bans mass feeding in one area. His attorney will argue that the law is a violation of civil rights and say Montanez did nothing wrong, because every feeding that he participated in was done at a public park.

"The law itself should be illegal. Feeding people should not be criminalized. Being poor should not be criminalized," Montanez said****** read link

Edited October 10, 2007 by shavluk

[Guest American Woman]

Laws that hurt the homeless. Only in America, "land of the free, HAHA," eh? Are you aware of the laws that hurt the homeless in British Columbia?

Here's a link for you to start with ---> The Criminalization of the Homeless is itself a Crime

"Homeless people have very few rights in Canadian law. … Vancouver’s laws are no exception ... "

...there is nowhere, in the entire City, for a person who is homeless and unable to find emergency shelter to sleep without violating at least one law, and likely multiple laws.

Homeless people need sleep, but are unable to spend their nights in parks.

Homeless people need refuge from the elements, but are unable to construct shelters anywhere.

Homeless people need to undertake bodily functions, but have no access to washrooms.

In addition to creating suffering by imposing barriers to survival, the by-laws impose further stress by instilling fear of fines and criminalization in the homeless for undertaking activities which they have no choice but to do.”

[ScottSA]

Laws that hurt the homeless. Only in America, "land of the free, HAHA," eh? Are you aware of the laws that hurt the homeless in British Columbia?

...there is nowhere, in the entire City, for a person who is homeless and unable to find emergency shelter to sleep without violating at least one law, and likely multiple laws.

That explains those crowds of wandering homeless I see being prodded along by nAZi PigS!!!1!!!!! whenever I'm out at night. I always wondered why the nAzi pIGs!11!!!1 were doing, and why they wouldn't let the poor souls sleep. No wonder they're homeless...they're too tired to get jobs. Shame.

[shavluk]

Laws that hurt the homeless. Only in America, "land of the free, HAHA," eh? Are you aware of the laws that hurt the homeless in British Columbia?

Here's a link for you to start with ---> The Criminalization of the Homeless is itself a Crime

"Homeless people have very few rights in Canadian law. … Vancouver’s laws are no exception ... "

...there is nowhere, in the entire City, for a person who is homeless and unable to find emergency shelter to sleep without violating at least one law, and likely multiple laws.

Homeless people need sleep, but are unable to spend their nights in parks.

Homeless people need refuge from the elements, but are unable to construct shelters anywhere.

Homeless people need to undertake bodily functions, but have no access to washrooms.

In addition to creating suffering by imposing barriers to survival, the by-laws impose further stress by instilling fear of fines and criminalization in the homeless for undertaking activities which they have no choice but to do.”

NO DOUBT ! You got it !!

That's why I am working on the bs here.

Are you working on correcting your country?

Politically?

And are you saying then don't feed the bare's?

I noticed a little bit of spittle after your comments ,,some drivel, I hope no one lost their dentures and I hope no ones awaiting a reply?

[geoffrey]

Feeding pigeons often encourages them to return looking for food.

I don't know if Florida has an unemployment issue, but somehow I don't think it could possibly be worse than say Quebec or the Maritimes. Banning feeding these people in large, open public areas is matter of public health and safety. The disease that could be spread and potential violence is not worth it. Have you ever seen all the fights around homeless shelters. And now we want to do that in a park?

Parks are for the enjoyment of all citizens, preferably taxpayers. If sometimes aggressive and dangerous homeless bums are taking that away from people, they need to be removed.

[Higgly]

That explains those crowds of wandering homeless I see being prodded along by nAZi PigS!!!1!!!!! whenever I'm out at night. I always wondered why the nAzi pIGs!11!!!1 were doing, and why they wouldn't let the poor souls sleep. No wonder they're homeless...they're too tired to get jobs. Shame.

Yikes.

[Higgly]

Feeding pigeons often encourages them to return looking for food.

I don't know if Florida has an unemployment issue, but somehow I don't think it could possibly be worse than say Quebec or the Maritimes. Banning feeding these people in large, open public areas is matter of public health and safety. The disease that could be spread and potential violence is not worth it. Have you ever seen all the fights around homeless shelters. And now we want to do that in a park?

Parks are for the enjoyment of all citizens, preferably taxpayers. If sometimes aggressive and dangerous homeless bums are taking that away from people, they need to be removed.

Yikes-a-palooza.

[shavluk]

yeah if I had a magic wand and could remember the spell for ""TRADING PLACES""

Man oh Man would we have fun!!!!

Just kinda of makes me feel sorry for their ,, ehem loved ones!!! owoowowow

Edited October 12, 2007 by shavluk

[Drea]

rant/

We need to bring back anti-loitering laws. No one (IMO) has the right to “live” in an alley or on a sidewalk.

Went to the city (Vancouver) over the summer to the Orpheum Theatre. I was utterly disgusted with the amount of drugged out freaks on the streets. Not to mention the mentally handicapped… way to go Gordo

In BC all one need do is go to the welfare office and pick up a cheque. Can’t afford to live in downtown Vancouver? Me neither….MOVE to a small town where you will get the same amount in welfare, but it will go a lot further for shelter. Get a roommate, get a place, get a job. It is not up to the rest of the people to “put up with” vagrants who refuse to work.

In my small city there are no less than 4 different organizations offering employment services. They help those who have trouble finding employment for whatever reason.

There is absolutely no excuse to be unemployed in BC in 2007, much less “living” on the streets.

/rant

[geoffrey]

Good post/rant Drea.

[M.Dancer]

rant/

….MOVE to a small town where you will get the same amount in welfare, but it will go a lot further for shelter. Get a roommate, get a place, get a job.

There is absolutely no excuse to be unemployed in BC in 2007, much less “living” on the streets.

/rant

I agree, that would be what any sane rational person would do. On the other hand most of the people who live on the streets are neither sane nor rational. There is no rational excuses for living on the street beyond those who do it for fun. Those who are forced to live on the street are there because the are mentally ill.

For some, we must consider homelessness a symptom of a sickness and treat it accordingly.

[ScottSA]

For some, we must consider homelessness a symptom of a sickness and treat it accordingly.

For some, perhaps. Not most.

Vernon, nestled snugly in the Okanagan valley amidst birdsong, summer breeze, golden sun, fields of waving bud, and bathtubs full of meth, is a haven for the lumpenproletariat, who show up here every summer and make the downtown streets and parks a disaster. When winter comes they all crawl back under their various rocks in crackhouses, low-end motels, and one of three shelters, and commence whining for the duration of winter. Most of the people I have seen are druggies, not mental cases, and they ooze out at night and lurk about in back alleys doing whatever the lumpenproletariat do in backalleys. One thing their lurking doesn't involve is paying taxes or producing anything but hepatitus and AIDs. And every year a lady named Annette Sharkey, the Vernon homeless Czar or whatever she's styled herself, sets up a caterwauling about how horrible it is for the homeless, while the local Womyn's Center bellyaches about the war on women and the poor illdoneby "sex trade workers."

But why should I subsidize these morons? They're big and strong enough to make careers out of B&E, and certainly well rested, judging from the heaps in parks all summer long, so the very least they could do is pick fruit. If they have to import labor from Mexico to pick the fruit here, it's a fair bet they could find something of value to do.

[Drea]

Drug/alcohol addiction are not mental illnesses, as much as the bleeding hearts want to believe it is so.

[M.Dancer]

Drug/alcohol addiction are not mental illnesses, as much as the bleeding hearts want to believe it is so.

I disagree and so do most doctors. It may be a self inflicted sickness, but it is still a sickness.

But I was thinking more of the paranoid schizo's, the severly depressed etc etc......

[Drea]

Gordon Campbell (BC's Premier) saw to it that the mentally handicapped were shoved out into the streets. So no, I do not include them as "homeless by choice" and they should be taken care of, they should have support including health support and financial support.

The addicted should not recieve the same. They should recieve treatment. Mandatory treatment. In the middle of nowhere. And once they get "clean" they should not be allowed to move back to their meth/crack/alcohol friends are.

[jazzer]

Drug/alcohol addiction are not mental illnesses, as much as the bleeding hearts want to believe it is so.

Addiction is a mental illness. Otherwise I don't think the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV TR). would include them in their publication. And according to the DSM-IV, addiction involves substance tolerance, symptoms secondary to substance withdrawal, escalating substance use, reduction in social and recreational activities because of substance use, and an increased expenditure of time to obtain and use the substance. I think it's safe to say most addicts fall under this category.

[ScottSA]

Gordon Campbell (BC's Premier) saw to it that the mentally handicapped were shoved out into the streets. So no, I do not include them as "homeless by choice" and they should be taken care of, they should have support including health support and financial support.

The addicted should not recieve the same. They should recieve treatment. Mandatory treatment. In the middle of nowhere. And once they get "clean" they should not be allowed to move back to their meth/crack/alcohol friends are.

Hey, I actually agree with that. Wow.

[M.Dancer]

Hey, I actually agree with that. Wow.

There's this fellow who has been verbally harassing my wife for about 6 years. I will qualify this by saying he a handicapped physically and mentally, and if it came down to it, my wife could beat that crap out of him.

But we don't want it to come down to it so she filed a complaint with the police. So the guy has a record of minor assaults as long as your arm...he once harassed a woman and her kids so badly she ran him over in the middle of the street, a crime of opportunity as it were.....

....anyway, the police pick him up every few weeks and he gets sent to the Don till he gets put on the street again (and he is not homeless)....so the cop explains why he is on his own being a threatening nuisance....

....when they closed lakeshore Psychiatric, dozens of these people were let loose to roam. Cop feels the fellows only hope is that he does two years and gets treatment....but figures he will refuse it because some folks like their demons.

[guyser]

There's this fellow who has been verbally harassing my wife for about 6 years. I will qualify this by saying he a handicapped physically and mentally, and if it came down to it, my wife could beat that crap out of him.

By any chance is it the guy selling pencils and calls all the women beautiful and models, then proceeds to verbal abuse after?

[Guest American Woman]

Drug/alcohol addiction are not mental illnesses, as much as the bleeding hearts want to believe it is so.

Is that correct, Dr. Drea? At least I assume it's "Dr." since apparently you think you're qualified to identify what is, or more to the point, what isn't a mental illness.

[M.Dancer]

By any chance is it the guy selling pencils and calls all the women beautiful and models, then proceeds to verbal abuse after?

No. He's about 5'8, stocky, greasy, looks like a neandertal, likes very young children and calls women cunts and sluts and says he will fucking kill them.

And in this I am very serious.

[Guest American Woman]

I found the following information very interesting. In light of the concern over homelessness in the U.S., because that's what this thread comes down to, Canada has one of the highest rates of homelessness in the developed world.

Emphaisis mine.

There are more homeless in Canada per capita than in the U.S. Canada has one of the highest per capita rates of homelessness of any developed nation in the world. We have about 200,000 homeless. The U.S., with a population nine times the size of us has 750,000.

Link

[M.Dancer]

I found the following information very interesting. In light of the concern over homelessness in the U.S., because that's what this thread comes down to, Canada has one of the highest rates of homelessness in the developed world.

Emphaisis mine.

There are more homeless in Canada per capita than in the U.S. Canada has one of the highest per capita rates of homelessness of any developed nation in the world. We have about 200,000 homeless. The U.S., with a population nine times the size of us has 750,000.

Link

If you can find it on the web, it must be true.

[guyser]

No. He's about 5'8, stocky, greasy, looks like a neandertal, likes very young children and calls women cunts and sluts and says he will fucking kill them.

And in this I am very serious.

He hasn t fallen up the stairs yet? Hasn't yet run his face into your fist? There is always hope.

[M.Dancer]

Of course, some things found on the web are more relaible than other..........

The 2001 Canadian Census estimated that there are over 14,000 homeless individuals in Canada (Statistics Canada, 2002).

http://www.crha-health.ab.ca/hecomm/divers...populations.htm