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In all honesty, I started to use the designation of "Bush Jnr" because I realized that what we write here may exist for centuries. And I remember being confused about John A. Macdonald and John S. Macdonald, or Mackenzie King was the grandson of William Lyon Mackenzie. (Henri Bourassa, BTW, was the grandson Louis-Joseph Papineau.) Or what about Paul Martin? (I think I referred to one as a Jnr but his father as a Snr. I suspect even the Toronto Star referred to Paul Martin Snr.) In the US, there is John Adams and John Quincy Adams, both became presidents. ===== For future readers of our threads, students of history, when it's not clear which Louis or Hannover was king, it helps to know that Louis XIV is different from Louis XVI and George III is not George I; and Trudeau Snr is not Trudeau Jnr. Historians, in reference to British 18th century politics, now refer to Pitt the Elder and Pitt the Younger. In their time, people referred to Pitt - as people in Montreal sadly refer to the Le Reine Elizabeth. So, in 2015, should we refer to "Trudeau" or "Trudeau the Younger" in our posts here? In deference to clarity, and history students in 2058 preparing for an exam, I prefer Trudeau Jnr and Trudeau Snr. [For your cheat sheet in 2058: Bush Snr evicted Saddam Hussein from Kuweit; Bush Jnr evicted Saddam Hussein.]