cybercoma
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This entire thread from top to bottom has ridiculous written all over it. It's the same old tired fight of Liberals accusing Conservatives of being some heinous evil machine, hell-bent on destroying the country. This is complete idiocy, not even worth the bandwidth used to view it.
YAWN!
Someday maybe you right wingers will learn that vapid dismissals do not amount to valid rebutals.
Why bother with a valid rebuttal against a mental invalid?
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This entire thread from top to bottom has ridiculous written all over it. It's the same old tired fight of Liberals accusing Conservatives of being some heinous evil machine, hell-bent on destroying the country. This is complete idiocy, not even worth the bandwidth used to view it.
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Without the United States, Western Europe would be speaking German right now. The United States is the most underappreciated country in the world.
The Soviet Union really had nothing to do with it, opening up a front in the East forcing Germany to have to split itself across Europe.
Canada and the UK really had nothing to do with it either, actually obtaining their goals on the most crucial day in the war.
United States is certainly under-appreciated compared to the rest of the allies.
What a joke. You've been eating apple pie for too long.
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I hope there is an election and Ontario gives the Liberals another win. I can't wait to see all hell break loose in every other province.
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It's tough to imagine a world without unions. Y'know, where people would actually still have jobs without the greed of unions forcing corporations to lay their employees off so they can make their profit margins.
Or I suppose the world would be much better if all companies were non-profit?
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Has the ban been lifted yet?
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Try CBC 2, August! You will hear much more than "Pop," and with no "English" slant.
Especially, on friday (or is it saturday...hmm) when they play their insane ambient techno craziness.....
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As much as I'd love to see the Liberals kicked to the curb like last weeks garbage, this is a great move by Kilgour. It's just too bad our military is so horribly equipped, that even making these promises would fall short of where our country could be as far as peacekeeping goes.
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Now that's someting we're not used to ... a post from August that makes things less clear.
I find the vagueness of both Cameron's and August's complaints makes it difficult to make sense of the content of their objections. To some, it seems that giving effect to a familiar and essential principle of our culture (equality bfore the law) is somehow a betrayal of our traditions. This is incomprehensible to me. To some, it seems, Canada is spineless and irrelevant EXCEPT WHEN, we stand up for ourselves against unreasonable demands from the most powerful country the world. Then we are arrogant.
You know what becomes obvious from all this? To some, Canada can do no right.
What an odd twist of events, I actually agree with Sweal.
I do agree with Cameron that our country is becoming more insignificant in world affairs by the hour (mostly due to our lack of being able to uphold our end of NATO, nor be able to do anything miltarily without getting on our knees for the US); however, the trade dispute thing is just absurdity.
Our country is being bent over by the United States imposing bans and charges that are illegal...and our farmers are losing out to an american subsidized industry (subsidies from the US government? Don't they preach against those? Yes...yes they do, yet here we are).
Thinking we should just kick back with our feet up and allow them to hold our economy hostage is pure unbridled stupidty.
Cameron calls us "gay" in one sentence for not defending ourselves and standing up for our values, then you turn around and say we need to give in to the will of the United States.
Which one is it?
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It's a sad day in Canada when the Union dictates to the government how to run. Someone needs to let Hargrove know that as hard as he tries, the members of his unions don't always vote the way they're told.
Ah, who the hell am I kidding, the morons in this city voted in 2/2 ridings for the NDP (Joe Comartin and Brian Masse)
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If you don't think the current Liberal Party is involved in the whole adscam deal, you obviously didn't look hard enough for things that weren't readily available....and that's as far into that as I'll get, for risk of being banned or worse.
A mystery! When will we learn? Is it continued next week?
Ask Gomery next time you two are having coffee at Tim Horton's.
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Those are not evidence of anything until the inquiry makes some judgement on them. They are a part of the insinuations that are being used in the attempted railroading until then and until it is seen whether there is a refutation.
There is nothing weird about the NDP "Shopping List." It is all part of the NDP policy, and a very welcome part. Minority governments make deals. That is what they are about. The budget as originally presented was a deal with the Conservatives and included measures to placate Harper.
The "Conservatives" have reneged on the deal: therefore, a new "coalition" is necessary in order to carry on the business of government. It is a vastly improved deal for the people, in my opinion, and the one good thing to come from the whole sorry affair.
Let's see how much mileage the Harperites can make from it an election campaign. I suspect it will be in reverse.
Kimmy, your standard applies only to the uninformed and those too lazy to consider the merits. In Civil Law, it is a "preponderance of evidence" that is the standard. I would suggest that should be the standard for any who purport to be politically savvy or involved.
The evidence is not in.
Elections have nothing to do with a court of law.
Do I want a party up to its ears in these allegations taking my money and running this country? Whether a court of law finds them guilty or not has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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If you don't think the current Liberal Party is involved in the whole adscam deal, you obviously didn't look hard enough for things that weren't readily available....and that's as far into that as I'll get, for risk of being banned or worse.
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haha, sorry...I love those kinds of accusations.
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Kimmy, you need some reference to Harpers predeliction for eating babies, Liberal babies, to make your list complete. All the lamentation by tories is making me laugh. But the script will soon tire.
Consupporter: Why don't you vote for Conservatives?
NonCon: I worry that the Conservative party will carry out the policies that their vocal supporters and MPs have advocated, for example X, Y, and Z.
Consupporter: That's just scaremongering! Harper doesn't eat babies!
Noncon: But my concern is the possibility of X,Y, or Z, not eating babies.
Consupporter: X, Y, and Z are vitally important policies for the public good.
Noncon: I disagree, and so, I don't vote for a party that supports such things as X,Y, and Z.
Consupporter: You've been brainwashed by the Liberals! Stephen Harper does not eat babies.
But Stephen Harper does eat babies and he also bathes in the blood of our healthcare workers.
I don't think any true Conservative supporter would deny these facts.
He's also a misogynist and bigot. Tell all your friends.
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Truer words have yet to be spoken. If the members of the party must follow party lines, then they collectively need to take responsibility for the party's actions.government. Gross incompetence, gross mismanagement, patronage, general boobery and buffoonery, the Senate, trickery and numerous other ways by which our elected officials fail to serve us. All of these are not exactly tolerable, but like a distressingly large number of Canadians my expectations are so very minimal that I can and have forgiven nearly everything in the last couple of decades.But I cannot and will not countenance, condone or forgive outright theft. Not now, not ever.
And that is what the Liberals, with Paul Martin,John Chretien and many other senior , trusted people at the heart of our nation have done. It simply does not matter if they were directly involved. If they weren't, then their collective massive incompetence is ample reason for dismissal. They took our tax money, laundered it, and gave it to themselves and their friends. It would be like a bus driver returning home with an empty fare box, and claiming they somehow did not see anybody emptying it every day , 6 inches away from him - every day for 7 years no less. Just how contemptuous is it to expect us to believe that 'nobody knows anything?'
If you vote Liberal next election, you are voting for thieves.
What Stephen Harper or Jack Layton or Brian Mulroney might do is not relevant, because it has not happened yet, it is speculation. But what the Liberals have done is not.
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Just what we need, programs like healthcare and education to become more detached from the communities they serve. No thanks.
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You can be sure that the Liberal power elite is finding Mr. Dithers sadly lacking lately. He's also old, and looking older every week. They can't turf him now, not until he takes the heat for Adscam fully and completely....or.... gets the Libs off the hook at least partially. Either way, he is badly damaged goods and a liability. He's a liability now actually, but circumstances prevent a change.
My predicted timeline:- Libs succeed in deferring an election until early next year. If they manage that(which they will), they'll win another minority. Martin will be gone soon after. Next leader/PM: Frank McKenna.
Not a chance in hell he resigns and I'm not even a Liberal supporter.
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I have always liked Harper. Even during the years that I was a Liberal I hated the man because he just said the right stuff and seemed the best man to lead the country.
Lately he has said some things that bother me, such as the little slip about the multi-parliaments a few months ago, and I am edgy about his ties with the Bloc. However, out of Paul (I don't know what I am doing) Martin and Jack (Trade union party) Layton I see Stephen Harper as the best canidate. (no need to include the Bloc in there at all!)
Harper hardly has "ties" with the Bloc, they simply have a common enemy.
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And you believe a letter written by Harris and Manning! One a nutcase and the other a man who has made a career out of lying and bullying!
Has it not occurred to you that what they propose is not a US style Healthcare system. It is, htough, a made-in-Canadian provinces hodge podge of profitable opportunities for the boys.
Personal insults, now that's the way to sway voters. One is a nutcase and the other is a liar and bully. Does it get anymore sophomoric than this?
And since when did profit become this evil thing to be avoided? You insult people's intelligence by saying they don't understand recent history and in the next breath you completely advocate socialist/communist ideas as if they haven't caused the collapse of many nations.
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The National Crisis here is the Liberal Party holding this country ransom for more tax dollars to pad their bank accounts. Who are you kidding?Will all those things really happen, Kimmy? Or is it your overactive imagination? Could we not vote NDP and still avoid the disaster?One day, you will apply your intelligence to the reality of what is and has happened and you will be regretful of flippancy in this time of crisis in our national affairs.
I take particular exception to your dismissal of veterans who fought and died to make this country what it was not long ago. Notably, all the backward moves and proposals are by those who have never seen a battlefield: and their support is from those who are too young to have ever experienced the deprivation that the veterans saved this generation from.
Every social programme this country had, but is slowly losing, is available to you because those veterans who returned demanded them. They determined that their children would not suffer as they and their parents had.
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You're stabbing the veterans in the back if you don't vote Liberal.
You're quite literally taking a crap on the poppies of Flander's Field if you don't vote Liberal.
The country will split up if you don't vote Liberal.
Teenaged homosexuals will be rounded up and sent to Christian Camp for reprogramming if you don't vote Liberal.
Molson Canadian will be replaced with Coors Light if you don't vote Liberal.
Swarthy people will be deported if you don't vote Liberal.
The Maple Leaf will be torn up and replaced with the Red Ensign if you don't vote Liberal.
The hopes and dreams of starving African children will be crushed if you don't vote Liberal.
The maple syrup will run dry if you don't vote Liberal.
The beavers will die of grief if you don't vote Liberal.
Haven't you heard? It's the end of the world if you don't vote Liberal.
-kimmy
{anticipating campaign ads featuring a teary-eyed little beaver clutching a Canada Flag.}
I can't tell you how badly I hope you're right!
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Why should you not get a fast MRI with your money? You should not because Pharasaical privilege is not valued in Canada. Those who cannot afford to pay have an equal right to yours to live and to access the services that are intended to help keep them alive.
Childish and belonging to a dead philosophy - communism.
Why should you be able to dictate to me what I spend my money on? Why should it be that while I save my money, not splurging on a car, and trips down south, I am then not free to use it to get an MRI and thus save myself months and months of pain?
The idea that you shouldn't be able to buy better health care is ludicrous. You can buy better food, better water, better housing, better clothes, better cars, and a better education. But you can't buy better health care? Well, you can buy better dental care, and better eye care. But you can't buy an MRI? There's no logic to these positions.
There's also no reality to them. When former Health Minister Alan Rock needed an operation he got it almost at once. When Chretien wanted an operation done he wen to the United States. Does anyone think Paul Martin is going to be sitting for hours in an emergency room waiting to get treated for a broken leg or sprained back? Give me a break!
The well-off, the well-connected, get better health care. Deal with it. All this anti privacy bullshit does it keep the middle class from getting better health care too, unless, of course, they go to the US for it. Which many do. I can tell you without hesitation that if my doctor told me I'd need an MRI and have to wait for treatment until I got one - a year or more away - I'd instantly cross the river into Quebec and get an MRI done at the local clinic there. If that was closed down I'd have to take my money across the border to New York.
So what you people with your minds wrapped in an ideological straight jacket should be doing is finding a way to incorporate that money into our system legally and to the best benefit of the public system. For example; a private clinic for basic health services, up to and including basic broken limbs - which is paid through medicair, but which gets a small additional subsidy per patient by those who wish expedited services. This would increase the number of available clinics and provide better service to people, as well as decreasing demand for emergency room services.
To suggest that our public system doesn't handle services above broken limbs is absurd; you basically flush your entire argument down the toilet with that. Critical services should still be provided by the public system, in fact, all services should still be provided by the public system. If they say something needs to be done and it's going to take a year for you to wait, you then have the option of waiting a year and having it done, or finding a private clinic to do it for you right away for a little extra money.
There should be no limitations to our public healthcare system. The private system should simply be there as an option.
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Why the devil don't you read what Harper has said? Would it be too painful for you to expose yourself to the truth of that man?
Why should you not get a fast MRI with your money? You should not because Pharasaical privilege is not valued in Canada. Those who cannot afford to pay have an equal right to yours to live and to access the services that are intended to help keep them alive.
Too painful to be exposed to the truth? The irony is glaring.
An MRI scan is not a lifesaving procedure; however, the information obtained from that practice can be. MRI machines can be built and with more demand there could be more of them in the country given the purchasing power of the private clinics alongside public clinics. Instead we're forced to wait months for scans (ie: the girl in Windsor who had cancer on her brain stem, they knew this, but it still took 8 months for an MRI to be done). People are unduly subjected to further deteriorating health because we have a care system of universal delays.
Do you know what the solution finally was for this girl? OHIP paying for a portion of her MRI to be done in Detroit, as well as third party insurance from her mother paying another portion of it. Charitable organizations and people were the ones to pick up the rest of the tab because that girl getting the quickest care possible is what is valued here in Canada.
Quite frankly, our system is no better than the United States' system with its problems. We want to idolize and glorify this system of Universal healthcare, which is doing more harm than good to us. Sure the poor in the United States have a difficult time finding access to healthcare, but they do what they can to pay for it. There are options from third party insurance to charitable donations from several different organizations. This point is moot since a system like they have in the United States is ABSOLUTELY NOT what's being advocated.
Our healthcare system doesn't have the problem of the poor having a difficult time receiving services (unless they have no fixed address, can't afford to pay for the prescriptions on their own, etc.); our system just makes people wait for months on end while their health deteriorates, leaving them with no other option but to hope they don't get to the point of irreparable damage or death.
Both systems result in people suffering and dying due to flaws in their design. If you value that and want to unrealistically hold that system up as a godsend, then that's your choice. I think most Canadians, given the rational option (sans propaganda), would be more than happy to have a system that gives people the choice of where to get their healthcare services.
This does NOT mean trashing the public service at all. It means putting healthcare in the hands of the provines (who it's supposed to belong to anyway) because they know what's better for their communities than a detached government in Ottawa that can be particularly clueless about certain provinces' needs. It makes ONE level of government responsible for delivering healthcare and allows the citizens to hold them accountable for this.
This also means OHIP and other publicly funded health insurance will still apply to canadian citizens. You will still enter the system through public care most of the time and you will still use your healthcare card to pay for these services. The most important element here is that you have THE CHOICE to go to private care clinics....and I know, it's hard for the naysayers to believe...you get to use your PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE there. Staggering, I know.
Does this mean we'll be universally insured for our healthcare and be able to choose where to go to get it? Yes! Furthermore, productive Canadians who hold third party insurance (usually through their employers' benefit packages) would still be able to use that to supplement their public insurance (as we do now).
Those who are against the plan of having a two-tiered system are wholly supporting government as a dictator. Private hospitals will have to compete for clients and will be forced to provide better care at reasonable prices, or people won't "shop" there. They need to make money to stay alive, unlike our current system which the government runs into the ground. Our current hospitals are running deficits because they're so inefficiently administrated that it should be sickening to most Canadians our money is being wasted this way.
Allowing for private clinics to open, while maintaining our current public system will do nothing more than improve healthcare in Canada. It will free up public equipment, make the public system run more efficiently to compete, result in doctors being paid what they're worth for their services, keep Canadian money in Canada where it belongs and save the lives of millions of people.
To absolutely outlaw a two-tiered system, instead of continuing to advocate public healthcare as a component of our system while allowing private clinics to operate, is plain stupidity. It makes us no better than the country that completely ignores having public healthcare (see the United States) and does more harm to our people than good. We need to be pushing to have the best of both worlds in our country and anyone who says otherwise is simply demanding second-best for us. We should take a cue from countries like Sweden, France and Japan that have the absolute best healthcare in the world, not fight logic so we can live out a failed ideal.
The Problem with Federal Elections
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I'm just wondering what everyone here would do when posed with the following problem.
In my riding there is a particular candidate that has done tremendous things for this city, has sat on city council and has been very vocal in demanding the things we need here most. Of all the candidates he's probably the only one who has his head squarely on his shoulders and actually knows what's going on around here.
Here's my problem....the NDP picked him up as their candidate.
So during a federal election, do you vote for the party you want in power, regardless of the particular candidate that is running for them...or do you vote for the person whom you think will be the most beneficial for your corner of the country?