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Hi Nuke, Welcome to the board. Nice post. I agree that society should help out the genuinely needy (ie those who cannot work due to injury, sickness etc) and even offer some kind of assiatance to harworking people who hit a rough time (ie: Farmers who run into crop failures, etc) but never to the lazy. In position papers I have written against abortion, I have said that abortion should be illegal, and that wherever possible, the fathers should be held financially responsible for helping a woman through the period of gestation, and even beyond should she opt to keep the child, and not put it up for adoption. The government can encourage private charity which would help single mothers by offering 100% tax credit to people who donate to them, and then going one step further, and topping of the funding when those organizations don't get enough, if neccessary. There should be a place where young mothers can go to make sure that they or their children don't go hungry or withou medicine or shelter should there be a deabeat Dad that can't be , for the moment tracked down. I am on the Board of one such organization, that provides help, both financial and emotional for young mothers and their children, and we are even helping young Dads along too. As for habitual welfare abusers, able bodied and minded people who choose to do nothing, they should be required to prove that they were looking for work, or be cut off.

Canada must rid itself of this arroagnt corrupt Liberal government. As long as they are in power, they'll sneer at the US, looking down the slopes of their pseudo-intellectual noses. That will not change. However, throw them out, and replace them with the Ca or the PCs or any combination thereof, you will see canada make the RIGHT choice, with respect to its relations with the United states and our mutaul concern which cannot be wished away by Liberal academics. Of that I am confident.

A brain drain, as happens everywhere anything left of center is tried. so called "moderate" Republicans are little better than Dumbocruds. I really dislike the way the media used the term "moderate" to describe any Reublican who takes Liberal positions on socialissues... It is an underhanded way of implying that those on the pro-life, anti-gay side are dangerous radicals.... From the perspective of the unborn, the so-called moderates are the dangerous ones.

Christian Heritage Party leader Ron Gray hits the nail on the head with this open letter penned to the Prime minsiter. It drives home the error (or malice?) of the judges, and indeed the PM with regard to decisions and legislation on this matter. ------------ An open letter to the Prime Minister Ron Gray August 25, 2003 An open letter to Prime Minister Chrétien: Dear Mr. Prime Minister, Thursday, August 21, 2003 in a broadcast from the Liberal caucus meeting, you quite correctly rejected calls for a referendum on same-sex marriage; in your defence of this stance, you noted that minorities need protection from the tyranny of the majority, and said, "That's why we have a Constitution — to protect the minorities." Mr. Prime Minister, you are mistaken. But you are to be thanked for having raised the question that makes the most important issues now before Canadians crystal-clear. Constitutions are not for the protection of minorities; they are for the protection of principles. When a minority takes a stand for a constitutional principle, adherence to the Constitution shelters them both; when a minority takes a stand against a constitutional principle, the Constitution drives them back into the right place. That is exactly the case in the question of same-sex marriage. The homosexual minority is wrong on principle. And in such a case, the Constitution must be used to defend the principle, not the minority attacking it. Marriage and civil government were both ordained by God, and their roles are defined by God. Marriage was ordained long before civil government — and government's mandate does not include altering God's definition of marriage. You, along with many members of your caucus and the judiciary, have shown this same misunderstanding of constitutional government before — notably in statements to the effect that “Canada is a secular nation.” We are not. Our Constitution — in the Preamble to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which you so highly esteem — declares that Canada was founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God. That's God with a capital 'G' — the God of the Bible. The God whose word is inscribed on the very stones of Parliament. We are a pluralist Judeo-Christian nation. Our Head of State, on ascension to the throne, takes an oath to uphold the Christian faith. Every Canadian official, in their Oath of Allegiance, becomes a participant in the Monarch’s oath — including yourself, Mr. Prime Minister, and your fellow-MPs. There is religious liberty for the minority faiths, because that is a biblical principle, enshrined in our Constitution. But Secularism — the most bigoted faith in the world — strives to drive every other faith out of the public square; to make it into our State Religion is an open violation of Canada’s Constitution. And to cite the Constitution as the basis for violating the Constitution — as our courts have repeatedly done — is to destroy the very foundation of the nation, and of our Constitutional democracy. I beg you to reconsider. I beg you to act quickly to restrain the out-of-control judicial oligarchy that now threatens to become a judicial dictatorship. If you will take such a courageous action, your place in Canadian history will be on a par with — indeed, it will be above — Macdonald and Laurier. The means is simple: introduce a Bill — imagine it coming from the Prime Minister himself! — that creates a Standing Committee on the Judiciary; the legislation should arm that Committee with the authority, at its own initiative or at the request of an appellant, to review any court decision on the grounds of its conformity to the Constitution; and if the Committee finds any unconstitutionality, it should have the power introduce a Bill into Parliament to amend the court's decision. The Committee should also have authority to approve or reject any appointment to the Supreme Court bench, and to impeach any justice for moral turpitude, corruption, bias, or neglect of duty. And the legislation creating this Committee must be sheltered by Section 33 of the Charter, the "notwithstanding" clause, so that the courts may not neuter it. This would make the courts accountable to the Committee, the Committee accountable to Parliament — and Parliament, of course, is accountable to the electorate. And it would preserve the separation of powers that are a tradition of our constitutional democracy: the elected legislatures write the laws, the administrative bodies of government carry out the laws, and the judiciary judges disputes according to the laws as it finds them written, not according to the opinion of unelected, unaccountable judges. This is not a radical idea: from Confederation to 1947, Canadians had the right of appeal from the Supreme Court to the Privy Council. This would simply restore that lost right — but in a more open system than what we had then. Mr. Prime Minister, this action is the only way to protect Canadian constitutional democracy from being further subverted by a judicial élite. And the time is short. I beg you to make this defence of principle, of democracy, and of the Constitution your legacy as you prepare to leave office. Respectfully, Ron Gray National Leader Christian Heritage Party of Canada

Trudeau's policies just keep on killing from beyond the grave.... abortion: 106 000 baies murdered per year thanks to the 1969 omnibus bill. Homosexuality is rampant, and kills thousands every year. The charter of rights has made an all out asault on the family unit as we have known it throughout judeo-christian history, possible. If he repented of his error, fine. I have never heard anything to the effect that he did.

That's how Jesse Ventura did it.

Oh really? So then you are telling me that someone has the right to speak unhindered from a marxist, socialist or liberal perspective and act on those beliefs , but someone whose world view comes from his deepest beliefs , if they happen to be Christian, is to be gagged, and removed from the public square? If that is so, then you believe in freedom of speech and the right to run for office so long as is reserved only for those whose views are deemed "politically correct". As i said before, if it was some verses from some new age writer, or one of the poly or pantheistic religions, or some secular ideologue, nobody would have complained. The only people complaining are the non-absolutist post modern liberal atheists who fund ACLU court challenges in front of liberal judges. That monument imposes no one religion on anyone. It represents the values and law on which the USA was built. If the ACLU ever does get its way, nobody will like the results.

The 10 commandments form the basis of law which has served Judeo-Christian society for millenia now. Many people of different faiths come from all over the world to live under such a system since it is founded on solid bedrock which protects all. The activists that oppose this are not "offended" Muslims, or Sikhs or Buddhists, but rather angry, rebellious liberal atheists who want to completely eradicate all vestiges of anything to do with God. Separation of Church and state means that the state shall not establish an official religion. Nothing more , nothing less. The ACLU/Liberal/Atheists would not have said boo if someone had set up a monument with quotes from the Buddha or Baghavad gita, Zarathrustra or Marx, for that matter, but since it comes from the three monotheistic "patriarchal " absolutist religions against which they are rebelling, it must be stamped out, in their view. Got news for you. This is going to be a fight. The ACLU has pushed too far this time. Focus on the Family, and other conservative Christian and catholic organizations are calling people out to Montgomery. It is about to hit the fan. Justice for blacks arose in Alabama, so well might be justice for all, in terms of freedom of religion, and public profession thereof. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of the political correctness movement. Judge Moore is to be commended for standing up to protest a misinterpretation of the law. If only more Germans had protested bad laws in the 1930's.

According to the polls I've seen, McClintock seems to have benefitted most from Simon's withdrawal. Arnie has credibility problems with really conservative Republicans. At this point it woul seem that Cal Dumbocruds are ready to plunge the state permanently over the cliff into the abyss, as Bustamante leads with 35% to Arnie's 22%, with McClintock coming in at 13%. Ueberroth is at 7. Personally i think that McClintock and Ueberroth are both better candidates than Arnie, and have much more to offer, but at the end of the day, even a poor Republican is a better choice than any Dumbocrud with a pulse. At the end of the day, all Republicans will have to rally around one of them, or Bustramante gets in, and business gets out.

Airhead Sheryl Crowe sums up the Hollyweird leftist set well with the stunningly intellectual song "all I wana do , is have some fun" .... Pure glorification of the reigning culture of hedonism. Then she comes out at some awards show or other and calls on everyone to go join a peace group....

The EU a dream? It's a bloody nightmare! Poland, Spain, Portugal and the UK should get out. Italy has hope too, if the re-elect Berlusconi. So should other former east bloc countries. The EU is nothing more than Old Germany and Old France trying to achieve economically what they could not do militarily.

The big irony in this business of renaming Dorval "PET " is that when he ordered the Mirabel White Elephnt to be built (50 someodd km north of Montreal) it was to replace the "outdated" airport at Dorval, with a view to closing it outright.. So there were pitched battles, and finally they kept Dorval for domestic flights and Mirabel for International. Over the years, airline after airline stopped serving Mirabel, so they were losing big money. Then fianlly, it was decided to close Mirabel, and move International flights back to Dorval. So the brilliant Liberals are going to attach his name to the airport (and the surrounding community) he originally was prepared to destroy. I grew up literally almost next door to Dorval airport. I'd hate to see it named after him.

Well, well, well, it seems as if All the usual suspects in Hollyweird are coming out swinging against Arnie. If the likes of Tom Hanks, Cybill Shepherd, Martin Sheen , Babsy Streisand (trudeau's "babe') Rob Reiner, Mike Farrell Ed Asner and Susan Saran-wrap think Arnie is bad, then he is probably just what the doctor ordered! If they're agin' him, I'm for him!

If things don't turn around soon, I will move my business to the USA. Not California, though!

What has sexuality got to do with anything? You realize that someone can claim pedophilia or even bestiality as a sexual orientation, don't you? Trust me, that's one of the nbext things on the gay agenda: LOwering the age of consent to 8. This is being discussed seriously among elites in academia. They euphemize it as "Intergenerational sex." Former Klintonite Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders has written of this. remnember her? the one who thought children in schools should be taught to masturbate?

It's as divisive as was renaming Dorchester Blvd. "René Levesque". I still call it Dorchester. I say, let's leave the current name in place in remembrance of the late City of Dorval, whch was legislated out of existence as a City (demoted to Borough) by politicians who practiced political expediency. After all, Saddam Internationa Airport now bears the more accurate, and less offensive name of Baghdad International.

He decriminalized it , along with Sodomy in the 1969 omnibus bill. As to being a devout Catholic, How could he be? Any advocacy of "choice" in the matter of abortion or approval of homosexual acts is against the teachings of the magisterium, so in effect, he should not have received communion until he repented of his error in those areas. To the best of my knowledge he never did so publicly, I just hope he did so privately. As for the Supreme court decision, he paved the way for that, with the omnibus bill and the Charter of Rights, which took power from the people and gave it to unelected judges. The current government is the product of his legacy as well. As for keeping the country intact, I'd point you to the night of the long knives, which has caused enormous turmoil which carries on to an extent , to this day, lessening only on account of the fact that many of those who remember it are getting too old, or dying off.

Gugsy summed it it up well. It should be rewritten, but based on the traditional values that have kept civilization intact for thousands of years. Not written by the likes of Trudeau and his revolutionaries. Who was sitting prominently at his funeral: Fidel Castro one of the last of his fellow travellers left alive.

Pellaken, Without free trade, Canadian Importers & Exporters would be up the creek.

I remember the reaction when the little crud from Shawinigan tried to rename Mount Logan after he who put us on the slippey slope of moral decline. I was so happy in '79 when he and his "comrades" finally got the boot.... and then Joe Clark had to bugger it all up for want of an abacus. HAd Joe's government survived even another 6 months, we'd have been spared the NEP, The Cahrter of rights, and a host of other disatrous policies, some with long tem ramifications. And Shane/Gugsy, Mulroney will never have anything named after him. He was in the wrong party. That is, unless Crouton wants to play a cruel joke on him and rename a sewage fiiltration plant.

:angry: If they had to rename an airport after this arrogant Liberal twit, they should have chosen Mirabel: It was his boondoggle, it cost the country a fortune, was totally useless, and is now dead! This is the same guy who legalized abortion, and sodomy, and opened the door to gay marriage and rule by judges with the Charter of rights, and who screwed Alberta families over with the NEP. They need to stop naming places after dead politicians. Especially Liberal ones. I'm getting tired of this. reminds me of Stalinist Statuary societies, building mementoes to their party elites. I think I'll make a point of starting my flights out of Burlington, VT. (UNless they rename that "bernie Sanders" or "Howard Dean") ----------------------------------------------------- Dorval to be renamed for ex-PM Trudeau NORTH BAY, Ont. (CP) - Montreal's Dorval airport will be renamed in honour of Pierre Trudeau with the approval of the former prime minister's two sons. "I spoke to Sacha Trudeau a couple of times last week and he was absolutely delighted," Transport Minister David Collenette said Thursday. The airport will be re-christened in September. Trudeau was responsible for the building of Mirabel airport north of Montreal which became a financial albatross around the neck of the federal government. The former prime minister's legacy is still hotly contested in Quebec. Separatists still see him as the man who thwarted Quebec's aspirations for independence. Federalists believe he made Quebecers and the French language pivotal to the daily functioning of the federal government. Prime Minister Jean Chretien said he was sure Quebecers will welcome the name change. They're going to be delighted," said Chretien, who has also been a polarizing figure in Quebec throughout his career. "This is a great Quebecer and a great Canadian." "I think it's a marvelous way of honouring a great Canadian." Collenette said Ottawa did not consult the Quebec government about the name change.

I know there are a few of you in the Toronto area, so this might be of interest to you. People need to get out , as well as continue the e-mail, and letter campaigns, If we are to stop Svend Robinson's C-250 and Chretien and Cauchon's gay marriage Bill. ------------------------------------- MASS RALLY/TOWNHALL DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE AND THE CONSTITUTION AUGUST 27TH, 2003 The Christian Coalition International Canada is pleased to announce a Mass Rally /Townhall Meeting to take place at the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship Centre facilities on August 27th from 7.30PM to 10.30PM. TACF is located at 272 Attwell Drive, Toronto, Ontario, M9W 6M3, near Pearson International Airport. Directions will be available on CCIC Inc's website at: www. ccicinc.org , as well as at the bottom of this e-mail. Members of Parliament, the Senate of Canada, Rev. David Mainse, formerly President of Crossroads Television Systems, and many others will be speaking at this important Mass Rally/Townhall Meeting event on the subject, that is expected to contribute to shaping the future direction of our nation in the years to come. The Rally / Townhall will center around the subject of the Defense of Marriage in the context of the current debate on the proposed Same-Sex Marriage draft legislation, and associated freedom of speech to oppose such, which is threatened by the Hate Crimes Private Member's Bill C-250, which is currently pending before Parliament. These two connected legislative initiatives will have far reaching consequences for the free exercise of all religions, the moral basis of Canadian society as a whole, and will affect the expression of moral viewpoints contrary to quasi-human rights based homosexual equality rights contained in these legislative proposals. Bill C-250 proposes Criminal Sanction for any expression of fact, opinion or belief deemed contrary to sexual orientation rights proposed to be codified in the Hate Propaganda sections of Criminal Code of Canada. The so-called "religious text exemption" added to this Bill is wholly inadequate, will only serve to undermine religious freedoms, as it does not preclude Criminal charges being laid, but similar to existing legal defenses, only serves as a vague and undefined defense after the fact. These are extremely serious issues for Canadians of all religious backgrounds and all citizens of traditional moral persuasion. Please join the Christian Coalition International Canada in opposing these radical changes affecting our freedoms, the social fabric, and the Constitution of Canada. We look forward to seeing you at this most significant event at TACF August 27th, 2003. The meeting will start at 7.30PM sharp. Christian Coalition International (Canada) Inc. P.O. Box 6013, Station A Toronto, Ontario Canada M5W 1P4 Phone nr. 1-905-824-6526

Hear hear! That's what I love about the United States. One of the few countries kleft where men's characters have not been cauterized by the nanny state socialist wimp culture. The USA is fully justified in taking whatever steps it deems neccessary to neutralize ANY threat to them, let alone an overt act of war. Any country that is unwilling to do what it takes to defend its citizens lives and livelihoods does not deserve to exist. Canada, if it has not already reached that level, is damned close.

Euthanasia is really a pandopras box.... In Canada, under a socialized medical system. Do you not see how a law, such as itv stands in Holland could not be used to make sure that certain cases do not burden the medical system financially? I can guarantee you that the same standards would not apply to wealthy or otherwise influential individuals. In the US, where private insurance holds sway, knowing the nature of the insurance co. beast, you don't think that to reduce payouts, that certain people will be marked for death? What it really comes down to on both the abortion and eutanasia (and for that matter the homosexual issue) issues is one question: Do we want a culture of life, or a culture of death? The most fundamental right of all is the right to life. Once a life has begun it must not be left to someone else, whether they wear a white lab coat, hip-hugger pants or a black leather jacket to decide when that life ends. If the right to life is not extended to all, then it ceases to be a right, and becomes a privelege, which one enjoys entirely at the whim of those more powerful. Do we want civilzation, or the law of the jungle?

Even if the Republican is really a Dumbocrud in disguise? Arnie's choice of Buffet is unnerving. That guy forked over big money to the Hitlery Klinton forSen. campaign, because he liked her stand on abortion. he also donates heavily to Planned Murderhood, NARAL, etc. I'd rather see a real conservative like Tom McClintock or Bill Simon get it, but if it comes down to Arnie or Busty, Arnie would be the better of the two if only because he has no ties to the old Davis regime.