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9 hours ago, OftenWrong said:
Are you sure he actually did that? All we know is what the media is telling us, and they are pushing a liberal/ democrat agenda. People don't believe them implicitly anymore, because of the history of lies.
Israel and Russia are not enemies. Quite the contrary.
Given Russia's cozy relationship with Syria and Iran, I doubt Israel shares your confidence that this information won't end up in the hands of their enemies.
They shared this data in the highest confidence, with the request that it be shared with no one, not even US allies. And the President, according to H.R. McMaster, gave it to the Russians without even knowing where it came from.
We won't know the fallout from this.
If Israeli undercover agents get killed, we won't know that. If an important source of Israeli information gets silenced, we won't know that. If Israel stops sharing some of their data, we won't know that either. Sometime down the road people might point back to this and say "see? nothing happened!" because the results, whatever they are, will never be public knowledge. But just because the consequences of this won't be publicly visible, doesn't mean that there won't be consequences.
This was an utterly foolish action by Trump. It's absurd that people are trying to defend it. If Obama had done this Republicans would be calling him a threat to Israel's existence, a traitor, and probably demanding prison or a firing squad.
But apparently it's not even the dumbest thing Trump did last week, so this colossal screw-up is on the back-burner for now.
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1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said:
When something illegal is proven...or even given evidence to, then Trump has actually done nothing wrong. If the Democrats didn't take every issue to 11, have people lie or spin the truth, and constantly rely on "unverified sources" then some of this stuff might seem believable. IOW, the Dems have cried wolf so often that who really knows what is real and what is not. It seems that all it takes is "an unnamed source said...." and you people are off and running.
Given that Trump himself, as well as other sources like NSA chief H.R. McMaster have confirmed everything today, complaining that it came from "unverified sources" just isn't going to fly.
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58 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:
Israel depends on the USA far more than the US depends on Israel. Israel will get-over it. Probably already has. She's a big girl with her own rifle.
I'm a big girl with her own rifle. Israel is the west's key ally in a hostile region full of Islamists.
55 minutes ago, kimmy said:Perhaps Trump will be bringing some kosher Trump Steaks with him on his big visit.
You're the forum's most dedicated opponent of Islam. Are you sure you are ok that the orange idol has betrayed Israel to its Muslim enemies?
I still haven't hear an answer...
41 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:The Nuge's hunting tips and guitar solos
I think it's hilarious that the American right have turned a guy who literally shit his pants to avoid military service, and has more illegitimate kids than a whole NBA team, into a folk hero. Family values! woo!
All along you've insisted that you weren't a Trump supporter, you just opposed Hillary because she's a secret Muslim Brotherhood sleeper-agent or something. Yet here we are, 6 months past the election, and the alternative to Trump is Pence or Ryan, not Hillary. And you still can't bring yourself to even concede that the big orange clown screwed up.
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31 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:
The people of Crimea seemed ok with the change. Also, Russia doesn't have an extradition treaty with USA and Canada even with one wouldn't send Snowden (or anyone else) back knowing they could face the death penalty. How many Vietnam draft dodgers are still here? How many did we send back?
Yes, many ethnic Russians in Crimea didn't mind being "liberated". But the question was in regard to "the right", not the popularity, of the invasion.
31 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:Also, Russia doesn't have an extradition treaty with USA and Canada even with one wouldn't send Snowden (or anyone else) back knowing they could face the death penalty. How many Vietnam draft dodgers are still here? How many did we send back?
And what do draft dodgers or the death penalty have to do with anything?
Trump himself said that Snowden should be executed for giving "serious information" to the Russians, and then goes and gives "serious information" to the Russians himself. Paul Ryan said that people who can't be trusted with sensitive information should have access to sensitive information, but has nothing much to say about his President giving Codeword-level intel to the Russians. Repubicans and Republican-supporters everywhere, including many here at MLW, felt that being careless in handling of classified info disqualified someone from being President... yet are willing to go to the wall to defend their big orange hero who has been caught flagrantly mishandling the highest level of classified intel.
It's becoming increasingly clear that the Republicans and their boosters will say anything to stick up for their idol, in spite of him being caught red-handed doing stuff they felt their opponents should be jailed or executed for.
None of you guys can even bring yourselves to even acknowledge that he made a mistake.
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1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
That's what Reagan haters said too...from Canada. Didn't work out that way....Europe celebrated liberation instead.
oh? Who is Trump liberating, and from whom?
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9 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:
Instead we will have wimp ass pence to deal with. Good god. Maybe I prefer trump. At least if trump stayed in power the 2018 elections would sway more towards democrats.
Mike Pence is a Bible-thumping, gay-hating Dominionist theocrat, and I'd still feel a lot better about him being President than Trump. As much as I disagree with Pence's views, at least he's sane and isn't going to cause the collapse of western civilization through sheer incompetence and senility.
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9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
See President Trump's actions to date. Trump acts....
Which actions, specifically? The Muslim ban? Trumpcare? The "wall"? So far, it appears that Trump's actions amount to enacting a healthcare bill that's so unpopular that they're deleting webpages so that people won't be able to read what he actually promised.
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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:
Pence is already president....president of the U.S. Senate.
And how long until Congress decides that Trump is a danger to the United States and makes Pence the President of the whole thing?
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Just now, DogOnPorch said:
Islam is the enemy. Not individual Muslims who as Churchill noted are quite capable of being splendid individuals.
Your personal hatred of Trump is what drives your emotional responses.
While I think he's a loathesome individual, I also think it's become apparent that his sheer incompetence makes him a danger to the people he's supposed to serve, as well as us Canadians by extension.
I ask the question again: are you sure you're ok with Trump betraying Israel to its enemies?
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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:
That's fine by me....let the game play out.
Either way, President Trump is still more important and relevant than the selfie king moron running Canada.
Trudeau isn't the guy who just betrayed a key ally to its enemies.
Real talk, how long until Pence or Ryan are President?
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1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:
Israel depends on the USA far more than the US depends on Israel. Israel will get-over it. Probably already has. She's a big girl with her own rifle.
Perhaps Trump will be bringing some kosher Trump Steaks with him on his big visit.
You're the forum's most dedicated opponent of Islam. Are you sure you are ok that the orange idol has betrayed Israel to its Muslim enemies?
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2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
Sorry...Canada has zero credibility or gravitas is such matters. Suddenly worrying about Israel after bashing same is laughable.
It's not Canada that you (or Trump) need worry about.
The security of Israel is regarded as an absolute litmus test among many Republicans. We shall see whether their loyalty to the orange idol wins out over that tenet of Republican ideology.
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3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:
Which particular betrayal by Trump are you referring to?
Giving Israel's Codeword-level security information to Russia (and Syria and Iran).
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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:
Agreed...maybe Canada should spend more money on intelligence gathering instead of depending so much on Trump's America.
Trump's America will need help as well, because they won't be able to count on Israel sharing its intelligence anymore.
Are you guys sure you're ok with Trump selling out Israel to his Russian buddies?
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3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:
And war is politics by other means...after-all.
So you think it's ok that Trump betrayed Israel to the ally of Syria and Iran?
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1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
Nonsense....
So all that stuff Republicans have been spouting for years about the damage Obama was doing to American-Israeli relations, that was just for show? Because the great orange god did more harm to American-Israeli relations in one day than Obama did in 8 years.
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1 hour ago, Bob Macadoo said:
If FN people dominated the market (ie. makes gobs of cash) in selling FN culture I'm sure its minor appropriation would be overlooked. If other cultures are making more money off it then that would be an aggrieved appropriation.
I just don't get it.
I mean... I'm not a Native American... if I wear my silver-and-turquoise necklace am I a bad person?
If I enjoy rock music and I'm not black... am I a bad person?
If I prefer Arabic numerals to Roman numerals, am I a bad person?
I just don't get it.
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One of the recurring Republican talking points of the past few years is what a terrible job Obama was doing with American-Israeli relations. They made a big deal about it during the election. They made a big deal about Trump going to the airport to give Bibi a warm welcome on the tarmac. "Obama wouldn't stand with Israel, but we will!" That was the talk.
Well, Obama may have lectured the Israelis about settlements, but he never went out and blabbed top-secret Israeli intelligence to Israel's enemies.
Russia may not be Israel's enemy, directly, but Iran and Syria certainly are, and Russia enjoys friendly relations with both countries. Israel is mad as hell about this. In the future they will think twice about sharing information with Washington.
Trump's most important job is the safety of American citizens. Trump made Americans less safe by blabbing Israeli secrets to the Russians.
You Trump cheerleaders can try to spin that he didn't do anything that's technically illegal, or that this isn't that big a deal, or that he's the President and can do whatever he wanted, but the bottom line is that this was a massive blunder. This is a blunder that makes Americans less safe. This is a blunder that damages the trust between the United States and its most important Middle East ally. This is a blunder that demonstrates that the big orange clown is not fit to remain in office.
You can deny it, but deep inside, you guys know it.
The only guy who thinks this is a great development is the member who thinks that Trump is here to save the world from Da Jooooos.
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2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
Romney lost the election...President Trump didn't.
Yes. Trump is a great salesman. Unfortunately it's becoming more obvious each day that he's a dismal president.
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1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:
The longing for the fallen Queen apparent continues.
Oh good grief. The election was 6 months ago, and everybody knows that the next president is going to be Pence (or possibly Ryan, depending on how much Pence knew and when.) And it's becoming increasingly obvious that either Pence or Ryan would be a great improvement over letting this incompetent clown keep up this increasingly serious parade of blunders.
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6 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:
The obvious other side of the equation is that not one single Democrat gave Russia a second thought while Putin was bending over Obama, but low and behold on Nov. 9th Putin and Russia became the biggest threats to the world - so much that the Dems are trying to produce another cold war.
Are you sure? I seem to remember a lot of concern when Russia invaded Crimea and started lining up troops on the border with Ukraine.
Given increasing Russian aggression towards eastern Europe and increasing Russian influence in the Middle East, I think it's clear that yeah, Romney *was* right.
Given Russian actions of the past few years, what's the basis behind this new Republican notion that the Russians are actually fun and friendly? Aside from trying to justify Trump's bizarre appeasement of Putin, what is the motive behind this new effort among the "right" to reimagine the Russians as the good-guys?
6 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:BTW - Russia had every right to take over Crimea, Snowden is just a meh!, and had Obama not bungled Syria, relations with Putin might actually be better for the US.
Russia had the right to take over Crimea? Aside from "might makes right", which right are you referencing? Stephen Harper certainly didn't think Russia was right to do so, and told Putin so in person.
Snowden was such a "meh" that Trump himself was calling for Snowden's execution for giving "serious information" to the Russians.
Obama's handling of Syria certainly bears criticism, but given the long-standing American tradition of picking sides in proxy-wars in key regions, I don't think he's much different from his predecessors.
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20 minutes ago, Boges said:
To be fair, Liberals probably were a little less hateful to Russia/Soviet policies, but now that they may have influenced an election against them they're the devil. Enough Hypocrisy to go around.
During the 2012 election, when Mitt Romney said that Russia was the west's greatest geopolitical threat, many of us scoffed and said "come on... clearly it's Islamic terror."
For 3 and a half years, Republican supporters took great delight in pointing out that Romney was right. Russia annexes Crimea? Romney was right! Russia takes in Edward Snowden? Romney was right! Russia massing troops on the border with Ukraine? Romney was right! Russia flexing its muscles in the Middle East? Romney was right!
That narrative shifted last summer. Suddenly, around the time that people started talking about Trump's ties to Russia, Republican boosters stopped talking about how Romney was right and started talking about how Russians are great. Russians are fun and friendly! They want to fight terrorists too! Expanding into Eastern Europe? Well? What did Eastern Europe ever do for us? Wars are bad! Peace is good! Let's be friends with Russia!
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Sometimes stuff that seems like a great idea actually has unintended consequences. As Dialamah posted, there seems to be a possibility that these changes could actually create a higher evidenciary burden and make it harder for the prosecutor to have bail denied.
One might imagine that Liberals and defense attorneys are reprobates who love violent criminals and want them out on the street committing more mayhem. But even if that were true, the crown prosecutors aren't. They should be free to do their job as best fits the goal of protecting the public. I don't see anything prohibiting them from bringing up a criminal history if they feel it's important to do so. If the suspect has a history of violence, the prosecutor could certainly point that out as a means of explaining why the suspect shouldn't be back on the streets.
Suppose you're a crown prosecutor and you're convinced that the guy you're going to be prosecuting is an unstable menace and bail should be denied. The facts of the case are pretty damning. Your aide comes in and hands you the suspect's criminal history and ... it's blank. Or it's non-violent. The suspect has no history of violence at all. So you have to go before the judge and instead of focusing on the mayhem the suspect is accused of, you have to talk about how he's never been accused of anything violent before. Does that help your case?
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On 5/12/2017 at 9:35 AM, Hal 9000 said:
As for asking Comey if he was under investigation, Trump probably wanted to make sure that he wasn't firing a person investigating him. He likely wanted to make sure that there was nothing between them that would look inappropriate. Had Comey said yes, he might still be employed.
Haha suuuuure. The firing had nothing at all to do with the Russia probe! Nothing to do with the subpoenas issued to Michael Flynn a few hours earlier, nothing to do with Comey's promise of grave consequences who leaked info to anyone who leaked information to Rudy Giuliani during the campaign, nothing to do with anything like that! He was no doubt just angry that Comey was mean to Hillary during the election, like he said. Why would anybody believe otherwise!
On 5/12/2017 at 9:45 AM, Hal 9000 said:...Oh, and when the FBI doesn't find anything going forward - and they won't, the Dems get to scream about how Trumps interference and intimidation scared away the investigation. They'll rant that firing Comey worked. They'll scream about a constitutional crisis because the president was able to squash an investigation about himself. Their playbook is obvious.
Obviously the firing creates that impression that Trump was trying to impact the investigation. When you do something that looks exactly like a cover-up, you have no business crying afterward that people are accusing you of a cover-up.
If Trump wants to avoid the perception that he fired Comey so that he could appoint a yes-man and save his own ass, the answer is obvious. An independent probe.
If Trump has nothing to hide, an independent probe seems like the best way to clear his reputation and get rid of all of these questions for good. Why is he (and Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell) so opposed to an independent investigation?
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America under President Trump
in Federal Politics in the United States
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"Saudi Arabia giving $25 million, Qatar, all of these countries. You talk about women and women's rights? So these are people that push gays off business - off buildings. These are people that kill women and treat women horribly. And yet you take their money." -Donald Trump, during the October debate.
"Saudi Arabia and many of the countries that gave vast amounts of money to the Clinton Foundation want women as slaves and to kill gays. Hillary must return all money from such countries!" -Donald Trump in June 2016.
I wonder if Trump will be telling Ivanka to return all that money? I wonder if Trump will be returning that crazy gold necklace they gave him?
During the election, Trump and his supporters thought accepting money from the Saudis was disgusting and hypocritical. Now it's apparently to be applauded.
To be clear, I don't object to the Saudis donating money to the charity. I just think it's hilarious how stuff that Trump and his supporters criticized and ridiculed in the recent past is stuff that Trump himself is doing right now, while his supporters make any excuse for him.
In the same file:
-bowing to the Saudi king
-first lady "insulted" the hosts by not covering her hair.
-won't say the words "radical Islamic terror"
-wasting taxpayer money on expensive vacations
-spends too much time golfing when there's so much work to be done
-attacking Syria without approval from Congress
-mishandling sensitive data
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