monkeyman
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Crime is an action committed by an individual. The individual has all of the attributes you mentioned. Groups with some of these attributes may have higher rates of certain types of crimes than other groups. How many Buddhist terrorists do you see, compared to how many Muslim ones? How many Caucasian terrorists do you see, and how many Arab ones? How many Tunisian terrorists do you see, and how many Iraqi ones? Terrorism most certainly has different incidences among different religions, races, and cultures, as the above examples should clearly illustrate. The answers are obvious, and the issue cannot simply be swept under the rug.
You have stats to prove that ? You think that because you don't see some Buddhist Terrorists on Tv that they don't exist ?
Christians??? Basques, Ira, FLQ, Concerned Christians, Klux Klux Klan, these came at my mind right Away!
You basically know what you see on Tv my friend, and on t.v. these days they only speak about some ASSHOLES that are Muslims!
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You don't do your cause any good by crying discrimination and trying to dump the problems of Islam and Islamic societies upon others. If you are a moderate Muslim who does not support extremism, as you say you are, you would be best served by loudly condemning extremist actions and acknowledging the problem, rather than trying to ignore it and minimize it. That, I think, is the greatest complaint a typical Westerner would have against your typical moderate Muslim. Rather than standing up and condemning extremism, and working against the hijacking of their religion by fanatics, many moderate Muslims seem instead to feel as you do, trying to blame it all on discrimination and ignoring the very real issues.
What do you expect ? What is it for you to Condemn extremists ?
What discrimination am I talking about ? I'm stating some FACTS, the facts are that the HUGE majority of Muslims behave very well, and we have our share parts of assholes that I CONDEMN and will always do !
What do you want us MODERATE MUSLIMS to do to condemn? Start a War in Canada with them ? You have really some nice words, but it's not possible. When we had "Comission Bouchard Taylor" MOST OF THE MUSLIMS who were there said that they don't agree with the demands of the ridiculous minority that think they are still in some Muslim countries. What do you want us to do more ?
And you think that if many moderate Muslims would loudly condemn extremists, it would change something ? Basque People, do they condemn Basque terrorists, did it change something ? Assholes will remain Assholes, like Ignorants will remain Ignorants.
I called extremists assholes since I started the Thread, I will refresh your mind, because you took a couple of sentences and you isolated a lot of interesting things. Basically, what I wrote is 0% true, it's 100% false, I'll write it again for you, so you can see I'm 100% wrong.
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To be honest, the more bad things I heard about Islam were said by people who never met some ever!
Now, the problem is not ISLAM, it's the culture in some countries. For example, did you guys know that the right to vote for women was given in Tunisia like 20 years before France. Tunisian women are as free as French, North American etc. Political women are well known in Indonesia (biggest Muslim country, Bangladesh and many more).
I think it's written in the Koran (I'm Muslim but never read it!) " If someone steels, cut his hand". That sentence is applied only in Saudi Arabia, which means that 95% of Muslim countries don't to that and 99.9% of Muslim people. Muslim people are victimized because the Medias tend to show what the want, since they want us to think that Islam is bad and Muslim people are bad. They prefer to show us some terrorists, some women that are dominated, instead of showing us the friendliness of Muslim people etc .
My parents come from Tunisia and I went there many times, I went also in Morocco with a White Canadian girlfriend, she didn't have ONE PROBLEM. People there are friendly, no one asked her if she wanted to marry him of them etc. They were flirting a lot, but it has nothing to do with it ! Go in an African Christian country and you'll see that they flirt a lot also.
Some Muslim people are assholes, it's true, but some French, English, Spanish, Chinese are also.
People who say that Islam cannot evolve don't know much, how come Tunisia evolved? Morocco? Indonesia, Turkey, Bosnia? It's not about the religion, it's about the culture in some countries. And Yes, in Morocco you will find an ANECDOTE that says a woman was killed by her husband because she cheated on him, it happens and will always do. But it's not the MAJORITY of people who are like that.
By the way, Muslim people where ''are'' allowed to have many wifes in the past, but it was not to dominate women, it was because women could not live by themselves, so they needed a man to help them to survive. As I said before, MOST OF THE MUSLIMS don't have many wifes, as a matter of fact I never knew one, in my family, here or etc.
The problem is not Islam, it's the interpretation of it by a couple of assholes.
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Stereotyping aside, your comment simply makes no sense.
Many 'older' people in Canada either came here as immigrants or are the children of immigrants - and are probably more likely to appreciate the nature of discrimination than many 'younger' people in Canada. Maybe you watched too much Archie Bunker?
No it makes some sense, of course, everyone in Canada is an immigrant (except natives).....
But, if an old person NEVER SAW , NEVER SPOKE, NEVER KNEW a Muslim person or a Black person, it's sure that
he'll be ''scared'' and is more likely to have some predjudices because he doesn't know them.
It's a simple question of contact with the other. OF COURSE NOT EVERYONE WHO KNOWS Muslims or Blacks likes them, I agree 100% on that. But when you know something other than from Tee Vee (bad things) you are more likely to have less predjudices...
A little anedcote to confirm that, I went last time to see the Grandmother of a friend. She asked me what was my name, I said ''Wassim'' than she said ''You are surely not Canadian'' !!!
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It's more than "a couple," and to minimize it that way is really just the opposite side of the coin of those who stereotype 'all/most' Muslims. If there were just "a couple of assholes" who felt that way women/girls in countries like Saudi Arabia could wear whatever they want and the Taliban wouldn't have flourished and so many girls wouldn't be deprived of getting an education, etc. and terrorist attacks around the world committed in the name of Allah wouldn't have been committed.
A couple, a HUGE minority. As I said, a lot of people never went in Muslim countries and don't know how it works out there, I did. The assholes in Algeria that ruined the country in the 90s are a MINORITY.
I dont't agree on your comment, because the most bad acts commited by Muslim people you see them on television or radio, internet, newspapers.
Crime has no colour, no race, no religion, you have criminals in every religion, every culture, every country.
You want me to say that the majority of Muslim people are ''assholes'' ? I'm sorry I cannot say that because it's not true and because I went and saw how Muslim people behave in some countries.
Saudi Arabia has 20M People, Islam has 1,5 BILLIONS people.
A Muslim who will kill his wife, will be an asshole + a F#### Muslim. A white Caucasian will just be an asshole......
Because we always need to have THE OTHER, now it's the Muslim, before it was the Italians, after it became Jews.
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To be honest, the more bad things I heard about Islam were said by people who never met some ever!
Now, the problem is not ISLAM, it's the culture in some countries. For example, did you guys know that the right to vote for women was given in Tunisia like 20 years before France. Tunisian women are as free as French, North American etc. Political women are well known in Indonesia (biggest Muslim country, Bangladesh and many more).
I think it's written in the Koran (I'm Muslim but never read it!) " If someone steels, cut his hand". That sentence is applied only in Saudi Arabia, which means that 95% of Muslim countries don't to that and 99.9% of Muslim people. Muslim people are victimized because the Medias tend to show what the want, since they want us to think that Islam is bad and Muslim people are bad. They prefer to show us some terrorists, some women that are dominated, instead of showing us the friendliness of Muslim people etc .
My parents come from Tunisia and I went there many times, I went also in Morocco with a White Canadian girlfriend, she didn't have ONE PROBLEM. People there are friendly, no one asked her if she wanted to marry him of them etc. They were flirting a lot, but it has nothing to do with it ! Go in an African Christian country and you'll see that they flirt a lot also.
Some Muslim people are assholes, it's true, but some French, English, Spanish, Chinese are also.
People who say that Islam cannot evolve don't know much, how come Tunisia evolved? Morocco? Indonesia, Turkey, Bosnia? It's not about the religion, it's about the culture in some countries. And Yes, in Morocco you will find an ANECDOTE that says a woman was killed by her husband because she cheated on him, it happens and will always do. But it's not the MAJORITY of people who are like that.
By the way, Muslim people where ''are'' allowed to have many wifes in the past, but it was not to dominate women, it was because women could not live by themselves, so they needed a man to help them to survive. As I said before, MOST OF THE MUSLIMS don't have many wifes, as a matter of fact I never knew one, in my family, here or etc.
The problem is not Islam, it's the interpretation of it by a couple of assholes.
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How have you felt this fear in your own life?
I think many older people ie: baby-boomers and up are much more "scared" of Muslims and Arabs than younger, more open-minded people. People fear what they don't understand. This being the case, many older adults never went to school with a Muslim or know many if any personally...and so comes some fear.
On the other hand, some people are just ignorant.
This is 100% true.
Don't know why I never heard a brilliant comment like this one on a French forum from Quebec!
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I have in all my post's mentioned Islamist extremist or radical Islam!! I have no problem with Peaceful Muslims!
It's true, he made the difference. However, I think those Extremist should go in Jail, not be killed, because it's acting like them.
Muslim is not a threat to the world, not more than ETA IN SPAIN is for the Spaniards.
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Not at all. I am afraid of Islamophobes however.
Are you Muslim ?
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It's quite simple, if the father and brother killed some women they deserve to go in jail for a LONG LONG LONG TIME.
It's not because they did it because of this or that that they should have more or less time in jail.
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so MANY people by the way....
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Hi everyone, I'm new on this forum and I'm sorry if it's not the right section to post my comment.
I am wondering why so much people are scared of Muslims in Canada, being myself Muslim ( I don't practice, I'm just "Muslim") my parents are, nobody has more than 1 wife, nobody in my family here wears the scarf, nobody in Tunisia in my family wears it. I was born here, I consider myself as being CANADIAN.
The more I read (Quebec forums are much worse) I see people having some bad opinions towards Muslim people. Mostly on the following aspects:
#1) They have many wifes
#2) They don't integrate
#3) They see women as animals
#4) They are wild people
#5) They all hate Occidental people and values
In my case I don't qualify in any of these aspects. Most journalists take one or many anecdotes and they put them on the newspapers or on the ''Tee-Vee''. It's so wrong. Of course some Muslim people are ASSHOLES and they should stay in their country instead of coming here and try to impose ''The Charriah" or commit Honor murders and all that stuff. But most of them come here just to work, as my parents did (Doctor and Manager in a store) and hope that their children (me) will integrate to the society well, chose the religion they want to chose etc.
Most of Muslim people in the world, don't have many wifes, aren't terrorists.
What do you think about Muslim People ? I'm curious, I always thought that English Canadians were more tolerant than French Canadians were, it shows on Tee Vee first of all!
Are you scared of Muslim People? Do you really think they don't like Canada and don't want to integrate (Immigrants) etc...
I hope this discussion will have some different points of view!
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Posted · Edited by monkeyman
Ok Well all Muslims are for the Sharriah,
All Muslims are for having many wifes
All Muslims don't integrate
All Muslims are extremists,
The few moderates that exist are for extremists
Muslim people think women are animals
Muslim people don't like Canada
There you go, now I've answered in a way some of you guys want me to answer.
Oh and I forgot, The Charriah states that you need to kill everyone, hate Occidental people, not Integrate, cut hands (like in the majority of Muslims countries...), it will ruin Canada etc... And of course, the Charriah will be applied to the majority of people that are not Muslims....
Of course, I'm the only moderate Muslim in Canada, that don't want to know anything about the Charriah being applied here, as it isn't in my country of origin.
Now I've answered 100% in a way that some of you guys want me to answer.
Your scare about Muslim people is pathetic, you guys think that Islam will run Canada one day. Stop watching tee vee and reading stats or newspapers. Get out of your houses and meet some for God sake !