nicky10013
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That's the most likely scenario as far as I can tell.
You can honestly write "welcome to the real world" and then say this? And you call me partisan? At least I have the balls to admit it.
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So as acedemics, you and iggy should be giving proper citation. Does iggy give citation when he makes his borrowed sayings? By gum he forged them!
I think they're fairly well known.
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No kidding. Conservatives are the only ones to ever write bad reports.Did I ever insinuate as such?
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Here is the part where you lose me. Whoever wrote this was assigned to write a dissenting opinion on the G20 money. IE they were told to write the other side because this democracy we always have the opinion and the dissenting opinion. So they were told to write an opinion which shows the G20 spending in a good light. Whoever it was, it was their JOB to write this and they half assed it. They didn't go out and write this opinion because they wanted the Cons to look good they wrote it because that is what this committee required.
I bet their a whole bunch of reports in Ottawa that are as just as bad as this.
A dissenting opinion has to be based in fact. They invented the facts to suit their own cause. They said this quote was part of the AGs current report about the G20/G8 and how proper the spending was. In reality, it was stolen from a previous report. It was never in the report. That was never the AGs opinion. It is a bald lie.
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But Nicky you are making accusations of many plagiarisms over the years by the Cons because of things they said with out pointing to your own leader who pretends well known sayings he read in a book are his.
So you've never quoted anyone else? I do it all the time. The point is that people know you're quoting other people without passing it off as something else.
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Those things are all very likely. People do such things all the time.
No, they aren't and no, they don't. A mistake is a typo. Misquoting an entire quote to someone from a completely different report and attributing it to a different report which will better suit your thesis would've gotten me kicked out of school. Funny, I avoided doing that for 4 years. As well as most university students. So why is it that this guy is so incompetent?
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And you have no idea what the intent of that person was. They were told to find something, and they found it. They didn't research it well enough. Maybe they were lying. Maybe they didn't give a !*^@. We really don't know.
Honestly, how likely are all those things? You're really reaching here.
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OK all these reports are in a database in Ottawa. So when the staffer was assigned to write the dissenting opinion on this they just searched a bunch of stuff again quote mining. Reports don't lay anywhere anymore we live in a digital age Nicky.
The point is he specifically tried to pass off this quote as the AGs in regards to the G20. Just because you don't have a problem with it (and obviously majored in plagiarism in university) doesn't mean it isn't serious.
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Nicky Iggy takes quotes all the time from US presidents.
"If they stop telling lies about us we will stop telling the truth about them"-Adlai Stevenson
"Ask yourself is your family better off now then 4 years ago" Ronald Regan
And Iggys most famous was lifted form our own PM William Lyon Mackenzie King
"Coalition if necessarily not necessarily Coalition"
But seriously I don't think Iggy has had one real good one liner which he himself came up with. So lets not play the originality card here. Unless you are voting for Jack.
Quoting famous sayings is far different than going back and trying to plagiarize an obscure document to make yourself look better.
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If you think that mistakes don't happen, you don't understand humanity. This appears to have been a mistake, and nothing else.
Oh, mistakes are made all the time. That I don't deny. The report plagiarized was authored 7 years ago.
Now, answer these questions if you don't mind. What are the likelihood that a report like that would just be laying around? Why did the author of the report need the report of 7 years ago to write the current report? If he didn't need it, why did he have it? If it was merely a mistake, why did the quote specifically relate to the government being good with money?
The fact is, the person who wrote this went back far enough and got a quote obscure enough that he thought he would never be caught. There is no other logical explanation.
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Poor research aint forgery though. There's misquoting, then there's forgery. We're all in agreement that the report sucks. Also its another "hot air" scandal.
Its as significant as ignatieff's wife being a foreigner. Does anyone care?
It's not poor research, though. These guys have been at it since before they were even in power. Harper plagiarized an Australian PMs speech. One of their current campaign speeches was plagiarized from a US political ad. Not to mention Bev Oda.
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Poor research by whoever wrote the report, probably far below the ministerial level.
Really? It doesn't take university level or even high school research skills to realize that you're reading a completely wrong report. Especially considering the report in question was so plainly negative toward the CPC.
This excuse is merely wishful thinking.
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I am sorry Nicky I did not see that. I take it back this is really really dumb for a sitting government to do. Glad the AG is on top of things.
No prob bob.
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No, I think it was a mistake.
Yeah, you're right. Sorry about that. Still, the question still remains? How is that a mistake? Where do they make that mistake? How does that happen?
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Canada's auditor general has rebuked the Conservatives for recycling an unrelated quote by her about a previous Liberal government's security spending in a parliamentary report on the costs of the G8/G20 summits in Ontario last summer, CBC News has learned.
The Conservatives' report, presented as a dissenting opinion to the Commons the morning Parliament was dissolved last month, quotes Sheila Fraser giving high marks to the Harper government for prudent spending on the summits.
The report quoted the auditor general as saying: “We found that the processes and controls around that were very good, and that the monies were spent as they were intended to be spent.”
Auditor General Sheila Fraser says the Conservatives used a quote from her in a report that had nothing to do with the G8 and G20 summits. Auditor General Sheila Fraser says the Conservatives used a quote from her in a report that had nothing to do with the G8 and G20 summits.
But in a scathing letter addressed to members of a Commons committee on Friday, which was received by the clerk and members on Monday, Fraser said the quote had nothing to do with the summits.
Instead, she said, the Conservatives inserted a 2010 comment she made during a CBC News interview on security spending by a previous Liberal government after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
Now, where does this say they quoted her in the campaign?
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Seriously you don't know how that mistake happens? Have you ever worked on a campaign?
It is pretty easy they saw this report come out, they need something they can point to, to say "See the AG thinks we did a good job," so they put their research team on quote mining. They find something however don't check the date and release it. Pretty easy to me.
Read above.
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Oh come off it Nicky. The Cons were scrambling from a leak which was a misleading at best and trying to spin as fast as they could. They were looking for something to shield them and pulled an old quote up. Big deal.
As you seem to have not have read, THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE CAMPAIGN! This happened a couple months before the campaign. They attributed a quote in the HoC to the AG saying the G20 spending was fair and reasonable. The AG came out today and blasted them saying that this was taken from a report before the Tories were even in power.
If you don't think it's a gamechanger, that's fine, I'm not sure about it either. However, this wasn't a campaign slip up.
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I'm sorry, but reading further into these things, I see less and less actually there. Some money appears to have been misspent on useless things in Tony Clements riding. That's a bad thing, and an investigation should be launched. Still I don't think it's worth a change in government (I also think that Paul Martin was punished car too severely by Canadians for something he didn't do).
No, you said you think it wasn't a lie and it wasn't a mistake. How is taking credit for past work a mistake? How does that kind of mistake happen?
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Actually, reading further, I don't think it was a lie at all. I think it honestly was a mistake. I thought it was something that a Conservative had said, but now that I see it was in a parliamentary report, it's far more likely that it was a mistake.
Wow...talk about gullible.
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I get it sometimes campaigns don't do their homework but lets not make a mountain out of a mole hill here. Someone who truly believes in the Conservative party found a quote they thought made them look good with out checking when the quote was actually made. Big deal.
This wasn't a part of the campaign. This was from a government report tabled in the house. This wasn't some wannabe staffer who did this and it wasn't a quote about the Conservatives. It was praise for the previous government.
What you're saying and what actually happened aren't even in the same galaxy.
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Exactly. Nicky is trying to make more of it than it is.
Really? It's one thing to twist the words of her statement to try and make it positive. It's completely another to steal lines from a completely unrelated report. That's not "fishing for a good quote."
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You claimed the whole document was a forgery. Now your moving the goalposts and saying taking the AG's comment out of context is forgery. Are all comments out of context forgery? Did the conservatives make up a fake document and put the AG's name on it? By your initial post you think so.
It is. The entire document was to portray them as fiscally responsible and that the AG agreed. Turns out, this was quoted from a report from the previous Liberal government. They said it was part of the AGs report coming out on G8 spending. If you can't call faking a document to make it look as though someone in a part of government supports you and it's nothing from the truth forgery, what can you call forgery?
It's not me moving the bar on the term forgery, it's you.
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I think that's more likely. Someone in the war room probably thought that no one would notice.
It was a report tabled in parliament. This went above the war room. Which goes back to my original question? I mean these guys pulled a LOT of stuff but this is BEYOND stupid. Did they really expect people wouldn't notice?
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let's call it what it really is...a complete fabrication, a lie, it's impossible to make a mistake like that...
A fabrication is a synonym for forgery....just saying...
AG Draft Report: G8 Funding Lacked Transparency
in Federal Politics in Canada
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Yeah, really...so to completely shun common sense over something regarding the incumbent government you support isn't partisan in the least. I've spent too much time in school to know this isn't shady. Unlike your claim, this just doesn't happen. Unless of course you can provide me an explanation where it has, and it hasn't resulted in someone being fired or kicked out of school.