kengs333

The relevant information is largely only available in universities; copyrighted material, theses, etc. tend not to be freely available on the Net. You clearly don't want to make the effort to find out the truth, which is just another example of why you are a complete waste of time. I doubt you've even set foot in a university; your pathetically childish level of debate would never be tolerated at that level, not even in Canada.

There's nothing there that states that the Five Nations lived along the Grand River. They would have been familiar with it because there would have been contact between the Five Nations, the Neutrals, and the Huron. There's an interesting parallel there, though, between the Thirteen Colonies and what the Five Nations were doing along the North Shore of Lake Ontario, isn't there? Of course there is a reason why the Huron withdrew from the region, but control of the region by the Five Nations only came following the destruction of the Huron in the mid 1600s.

I have no qualms about not felling responsible for what others did before me. Why should I? The sad irony of this situation is that it is motivated by what Indians perceive the "white man" did to them 150 years ago, and thus anyone who happens to be "white" and/or proud to be Canadian is somehow suddenly deemed to be a member of the "racist" "oppressor" faction in Canadian society. You can't expect the government to give in to such an argument; they represent the people of Canada and Ontario in the year 2007, not 1784 or 1841. Certainly if Canada can be held to account for what happened in previous generations, so can the Six Nations for the atrocities and unfair dealing that they committed in the past.

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That's the best you can do? Well, I suppose given what other nonsense you've posted here, I suppose that it is.

Don't think that you're fooling anyone with this, as for the rest of what you had to say, well, more bs as usual.

Tsk, tsk. So quick to use the R-word. People like you are a perfect example of how the R-word is used as a device by certain peoples to further their agenda. Two things to keep in mind. First, Racism goes all ways--you can't deny that it is something ingrained in the Indian psyche, as well. Second, "jennie" has worded her arguments on occasion in a manner that suggests that she's non-Indian. Whatever the case, what I said can't be construed as a "racist taunt" even if she is Indian.

Well, Lasagna is dead as a result of his intemperate lifestyle. I'd say that a couple thousand members of the CF who have combat experience in Afghanistan could easily see the situation.

Go to any university in Ontario, and you will find papers, reports, journals, theses and books on the archeology of Ontario. I know it may be a little daunting, but give it a try anyway. Keep in mind, though, due to the scientific nature of the field, many of the articles/reports etc. will be quite technical.

Another total whitewashing. Of course there was occupation of the North Shore at about that time, but the evidence suggests that the people that did later evolved into the Huron, and were forced to concentrate in the Midlands region in order to protect themselves from the Iroquois. As for "the Confederacy hand over the care-taking" and "the Mississauga had no problem relocating to the North Shore of Superior" this is complete rubbish; the Ojibway and Iroquois fought each other and the Ojibway won. I don't know where "Hollywood types" comes from, this is based on eyewitness accounts. Interesting how you again totally bs about the Iroquois destroying the Huron and Neutrals.

No wonder this situation is so screwed up.

I think if we had access to the police records of the three youths being sought by the OPP and the nine arrested the other day, we'd probably have a lot of reading to do. One of the nine I believe is still being held on an outstanding gun charge. And then there's that turkey last year who was arrested for assault and turned into a "warrior" upon his release when his supporters planted some sort of feather hat on his head. He claimed not to have had any interest in SN issues up until then and apparently had a lengthy criminal record, the most recent charge being dv for beating the crap out of his partner.

Huh?

The link that you provide substantiates what I and others here have been saying. Yeah, there were Five Nations Iroquois on the north shore of Lake Ontario after they defeated the Huron and Neutral Nation in the 1640s. ("Yet by the middle of the 17th century the Iroquois conquest of Huronia had at least put the Five Nations Confederacy in command north of the Great Lakes for the time being. The rise of the Iroquois villages on the north shore of Lake Ontario during the 1660s confirmed the point.") Don't confuse the archeologist of the late 19th-century with his modern counterpart. The 19th-century archeologist was usually an amateur, more of a collector than anything else. Unfortunately, they destroyed much and yes, came up with wild theories that have since been proven wrong. But the modern archeologist is quite different; the whole disipline has become much more sophisticated and scientific in the last 50 or 60 years, and nothing that I've read suggests that there is now any attempt to interpret the data in anything but an objective manner.

Any appeals to doing the morally right thing in this matter hold no water considering the thug behaviour of Six Nations people for the last two years.

Words of wisdom from the illustrious "Sage Red-X" no doubt, eh?

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Sounds like something Hitler would have said. Hitler would agree with this wholeheartedly.

Your posts are intellectually unacceptable.

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What are you on? Certainly not "truth serum". First of all, the "Five Nations" Iroquois were not settled along the Grand River in the 1600s. The so-called Neutral Nation, who were settled in the Head-of-the-Lake area, were a distinct group with about 30,000 people. The Neutral Nation was eventually destroyed by the "Five Nations," as were the Huron. The Ojibway in turn drove out the Iroquois and occupied the land for about a century. The Ojibway and Iroquois were never exactly on friendly terms, and their battles were quite brutal. These are facts which we have because of a variety of reliable sources, both written and archeological, and to completely distort the truth the way you are doing only serves to make you look like a complete fool. I can't think of a better example of why Indian oral history is not a credible source of historical fact.

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Any organization that identifies itself as some kind of "warrior society" or has any kind of para-military ethos that is meant to "protect," "defend," or do anything else on behalf of any group with sanction of the Government of Canada should be deemed a terrorist organization and dealt with accordingly. edit: this should read "without the sanction..."