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So they don't match and they do match...? It's global warming. Reliable at telling you the temperature trend of the US only. They cannot tell you the temperature trends over other regions. Temperature trends of different regions differ. Some regions warm, some cool. Overall more regions are warming than cooling - ie the average is a warming. That's what global warming is. More closely match than what? And what are these US satellite records? Don't you mean global satellite records? And what relevance do US ground records have alone when it represents less than 2% of the earth's coverage? Why ignore the bigger picture? Are you that complicit in the fraud that you have to come back with nonsense like that. http://www.junkscience.com/nov98/hansen.htm http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/11...4132.shtml?s=ic Actually Shoggoth makes a good point that while the U.S. records many be good.They are but a blip as compared to the Earths suface area. The world overall is in a warming phase. I know that Hansen is a loose cannon but really why dredge up that link?

http://spacecenter.dk/cgi-bin/nyheder-m-m....gifunction=form Nice link. But what are you trying to say with that link?

False. It's not false. It is false. Look up the referred GRU data that Bob Carter mentioned in his article.

30 years?,100years,1000 years,1,000,000 years,10,000,000 years. What relevance does 30 years have on a place that is billions of years old and has changes it's appearance and temperature constantly? North America was a tropical zone at one time for cryin' out loud. The critters that were then are no more. The earth changes with or without man, and another giant meteor hitting the earth will change it again. Now tell me how the relevance of 30 years of temperature means anything and how it can change earth's evolution as it's going to change anyway. Ok, But what was Bob Carter talking about?

Better take a closer look. http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/NCDCanom.htm What is your intent posting this link? Was it to show that since 1998 there has been no increase in the warming trend? or Was it to show that since 1979 there has been a warming trend? or Was it to show that no year since 1998 has been as hot? Why not explain why you posted this link several times.

All on the basis of ONE Glacier! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Do you know how many glaciers there are in the world? How many of them are actually being monitored? I hope you realize that the climate is ALWAYS changing.

You haven't shown that it hasn't increased. My bet is you can expect a telegraph article by Bob Carter to be linked to now...That article was what started this widespread myth that temperature hasn't increased since 1998 Bob Carter, yes indeed. A die-hard liar/denier paid for by oil&gas. http://allpoliticsnow.com/content/view/27/1/ You probably called it. Typical left wing tactic of the gloom and doom industry and all originating from commie command and control at the cesspool of corruption. What is the "typical left wing tactic"? Looking truthfully at a source for information, and identifying when the source is a bought and paid for liar? Yeah, I guess it is. You are the one who chose to make Bob Carter your expert. That guy isn't a scientist, he's a PR man. And he gets his money from the energy lobby sector. I linked a source which contains various links to information on him. You might want to read it if you're thinking of posting anythign else from Mr. Carter. Unless you're not interested in the truth, that is. You could have called him on it. But no instead you try the old strawman B.S. I nailed him and you didnt.

You haven't shown that it hasn't increased. http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/UAHMSUglobe-m.htm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jh...4/09/do0907.xml From your Telegraph link: Did you bother to look it up at CRU? Bob was stupidly wrong.

Maybe you could post the proof of man made global warming while you're at it, and tell the class why there has been no increase in global temperature since 1998. In another forum I disputed the idea that there has been no global warming since 1998 and showed why. Bob Carter was wildy wrong and for the life of me.I could not see any evidence from him that proved his claim. I looked at the website he referred to and there was evidence of warming EVERY YEAR since 1998. Was he stupid or a liar? Mankinds activities does have a small effect in favor for warming if based on CO2 levels.But nature actually provides most of the CO2 increases.

This has been the goal of the right wing in all things science: discredit it. It hasn't worked with Intelligent Design and it won't work on global warming unless you actually build a strong on it instead of unnamed scientists citing work that hasn't been thoroughly studied. From your own link: "The Sun may have minimally contributed about 10 to 30 percent of the 1980-2002 global surface warming," the researchers said in a statement today." Ad homeniums a nice idea for a sane discussion. Scribblet provided much newer reports and you just gallop right on by ignoring most of it. What about the topics title which does allow for the possibility that the increased solar irradiance be relevant for discussion.