Whistler

Lets hope your wife makes the really important decisions regarding your children, you daughter’s future could depend on it.

May your 15 year old daughter never come home to tell you she is quitting high school and moving in with her boyfriend in order to care for their yet to be born child. Or maybe she should, you would understand and have more compassion for the already born as a result maybe less children will die as a result of the mothers being overwhelmed later in life and her attempts to get out from under it...a la Andrea Yates.

Andrea Yates??? Did she have an abortion? I’m not going to get into a chicken and egg debate with you. You can make abortion illegal if you want to; it will just go back underground and you can claim some sort of moral victory that will be smoke. Reality is a bitch ... but as long as you think you win ... hey that’s easy!?!

Sounds like you not only want to decide for the splitting egg you also want to decide for the mother as well. It's not your place.

The burning question is “When the Palestinian problem is solved where are the Arabian Governments going to divert their subjects eyes?” They all realize if it was not for the “Palestinian Cause” holding the attention of the Arabian people they would be in deep trouble.

Hugo I’m glad we agree it’s not up to us to decide, it’s her life, LET THE MOTHER DECIDE weather she wants to bring a life into this world and care for it.

Another perspective. How many anti abortionists here support welfare? The majority of the perspective mothers are merely girls jumping in the back seat of cars for a good time. Are these children to be banned to a life of squalor on welfare with taxpayers holding the bag and holding them in disdain for the rest of their lives only to repeat the occurrence in a life of misery and dependence? Making a mistake when one’s 15 (not 19) years old should condemn them to a life of poverty where rising above welfare is a major goal. Abortion should be outlawed when mandatory sterilization is (inlawed) . (I do not purport sterilization, just making a point)

Yes there are combatants training in training camps in Syria. The Syrians call these people ‘Freedom Fighters’. Israel could have hit these camps any time they wanted. Sharon chose to enter into Syria at this time firstly to send a message to Syria ‘the Wolfowitz Doctrine is moving forward, get on board or suffer the consequences’ and secondly to help quell the call for Yasser Arafat’s head from the conservatives within Israel.

Iran certainly doesn’t have the environmentalists to contend with.

They were disturbed when we laughed at them. I think it’s a fair jab. I like to see the Russian media showing a sense of humor. What an improvement.

errrr ex-pilots.

Ha Capitalism in Russia, Can I buy a pack?

Ala Wolfowitz Doctrine? Saddam was setting President Bush up in my opinion. By destroying the chemical / biological weapons, Saddam was more than happy having the inspectors in country to prove to the world the he was being unjustly persecuted. The tide of world opinion was certainly turned to his side. The Bush administration felt it was now or never. Galvanizing the American public with selective intelligence against Saddam, they were able to accomplish the first step outlined in the doctrine. The million dollar question: Why does Iran with all their oil reserves need nuclear power? Or is this step two?

The US invades Iraq, threatens the same to Iran who have no nuclear weapons, and negotiates with Pakistan, and North Korea who do. I would be working my covert fanny off to establish a nuclear weapon. I apologize if this topic has been discussed previously. Please let me know and I’ll delete it.

We need all the concentration we can muster. Distractions won’t do.

Incase you missed it earlier: http://hnn.us/articles/1242.html http://projects.sipri.se/cbw/research/fact...sheet-1984.html For some reason beyond me the second link does not work here. Please refer to my earlier post.

"let the pus run"

Very informative article indeed. But no one’s hands are clean here. Should they both go? "Sharon's first documented sortie in this role was in August of 1953 on the refugee camp of El-Bureig, south of Gaza. An Israeli history of the 101 unit records 50 refugees as having been killed; other sources allege 15 or 20. Major-General Vagn Bennike, the UN commander, reported that "bombs were thrown" by Sharon's men "through the windows of huts in which the refugees were sleeping and, as they fled, they were attacked by small arms and automatic weapons". In October of 1953 came the attack by Sharon's unit 101 on the Jordanian village of Qibya, whose "stain" Israel's foreign minister at the time, Moshe Sharett, confided to his diary "would stick to us and not be washed away for many years". He was wrong. Though even strongly pro-Israel commentators in the West compared it to Lidice, Qibya and Sharon's role are scarcely evoked in the West today, least of all by journalists such as Deborah Sontag of the New York Times who recently wrote a whitewash of Sharon, describing him as "feisty", or the Washington Post's man in Jerusalem who fondly invoked him after his fateful excursion to the Holy Places in Jerusalem as "the portly old warrior"." http://www.counterpunch.org/sharon.html "Details of the massacre: The massacre at the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps occurred between September 16 and 18, 1982, after Israel Defense Forces (“IDF”) then occupying Beirut and under Ariel Sharon´s overall command as Israeli Defense Minister permitted members of the Phalange militia into the camps. The precise civilian death toll most likely will never be known. Israeli military intelligence estimated that between 700 and 800 people were killed in Sabra and Shatilla during the sixty-two-hour rampage, while Palestinian and other sources have claimed that the dead numbered up to several thousand. The victims included infants, children, women (including pregnant women), and the elderly, some of whom were mutilated or disemboweled before or after they were killed. Journalists who arrived on the scene immediately after the massacre also saw evidence of the summary execution of young men. To cite only one contemporaneous account, that of Thomas Friedman of the New York Times: “[M]ostly I saw groups of young men in their twenties and thirties who had been lined up against walls, tied by their hands and feet, and then mowed down gangland-style with fusillades of machine-gun fire.” By all accounts, the perpetrators of this indiscriminate slaughter were members of the Phalange (or Kata´eb, in Arabic) militia, a Lebanese force that was armed by and closely allied to Israel since the outbreak of Lebanon´s civil war in 1975. It must be noted, however, that the killings were carried out in an area under IDF control. An IDF forward command post was situated on the roof of a multi-story building located some 200 meters southwest of the Shatilla camp. Findings of the Kahan Commission: In February 1983, the three-member Israeli official independent commission of inquiry charged with investigating the events known as the Kahan Commission named former Defense Minister Sharon as one of the individuals who "bears personal responsibility" for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre." http://www.hrw.org/press/2001/06/isr0622.htm

I’m impressed you know what ‘right-wingers typiocally (typically) mean’. Not being a ‘right-winger’ I’m sure your correct being the free thinker you appear to be. (reference to your Bush diction post that has mysteriously disappeared) I was referring to the other thread I heard through out every speech addressed to the UN, and that is, without exception, they referenced that the UN needs reform. Chemical / Biological weapons. (Please try to keep up)

You have not heard of this before? I’ll take the ‘fundamental level’ and take our chances with ‘serious negative repercussions’ possibly strengthening the UN. One less distributor.

http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2002/issue3...e3/jv6n3a2.html http://hnn.us/articles/1242.html http://projects.sipri.se/cbw/research/fact...sheet-1984.html Like it or not, the world, including yourself, is better for the US efforts to remove Saddam Hussein. If you think this technology was not for sale to organizations willing to terrorize the west you are kidding yourself.

Easy there Dax, I’m pretty sure those ‘atrocities’ was not simply a result of US jock itch.

Seriously Chicken, I venture our President is going over there to talk North Korea not necessarily Iraq. Don’t forget the US fleet was returned to Sidney after it was deployed to the Gulf when North Korea rattled its saber. A cause Australia has a great interest in. I’m sure the troops sent to Iraq will serve Australia well in the future. Hey I’m a ‘Junior member’, I feel younger than I have in years.

I fear Gen. Clark’s meteoric rise is mostly due to the height of the Democratic bar. When he actually says something it contradicts previous statements. Stumbling, bumbling and still he looks better than the Democratic field. I sure hope Sen. Hillary stays put.

The US Navy is mothballing its anti submarine 'VS' community due to the fact the Soviet submarine force pose not threat.