jefferiah

Yes, Ipperwash, just a few days ago. Almost as distrubing as the sight of Johnny "White, Ex - Suburbanite" Meth Head walking down Sherbourne St. If by European you mean the democratic, tolerant, progressive culture we have established for ourselves, yes, I agree. But this is also were you begin lose me. If this "Caucasian" culture we have carved out for ourselves is our gold standard, than one would suppose that non Caucasian persons can subscribe to this culture, many do (i.e friends).....though many also do not (i.e foes). In other words, "Caucasian" implies a race, or general ethnicity, whereas Caucasian culture implies an ideological mindstate, one which is irrespective of race/ethnicity (with the obvious exceptions of the parent/peer to child transmission of information, which as we know, have profound effects on development). Therefore, I can understand being very passionate and edgy about the potential for medium or long term erosion of your culture and way of life (I am too), but this has nothing to do being "Caucasian" or not. We developed the culture, but that does not mean other willing parties (of different ethnicities) cannot accept it, or even ameliorate it. The greatest battles will not be ethnic, but ideological. It would be best if we made as many allies as we could, and not make a shrinking club as exclusive as possible. Et alors? Vos pensées? he already said that. he said that he doesnt believe there is any genetic predisposition in "Europeans?" to act "European?". Read carefully. He is saying that this protection of Caucasian race is seperate from his cultural preference, and not because he prefers Caucasians. Look you have Tulips and Daisies lets say. And lets say Daisies are getting scarce. Well Mike is saying you know nothing against Tulips, but I would like to keep Daisies around. I mean you can say "yeah but there will be lots of tulips, whats it matter". It doesnt have to matter to you or me. If it matters to someone, why is that so bad? If you try to preserve bald eagles does that mean you hate great blue herons.

Well I would invite you to take a read through Scott's posts and take note of the negative connotations and judgements he uses when referring to people of other cultures. I would question your Black friends motives. Maybe they would have absolutely no root in hatred or contempt, but if he was choosing his mate as if he was shopping for certain coloured car I would say he's a very shallow person. Why is that so bad? Its up to you to choose who you want for whatever reasons. Maybe you are a very shallow person. If a girl says to me I like tall guys....I am not gonna get pissed off about it. Something like in the movie "Losing Isaiah" where the black bio parents claim that black babies belong with black mothers...that would piss me off. But dating who you want to, who cares. You dont have to make a federal case about everything. Some people wanna date people of the same religion, people who dont smoke, etc. You dont have to get into the dating realm and start making human rights cases. Scott seems to be responding to everybody's cutting down of Europeans as the only bad guys on the planet with posts that show that other people do the same. Like "ok if you wanna start diggin up history, no one is a saint." The "neutral" Acadians paid Natives off to raid English settlements (ie the Dartmouth Massacre) and scalp innocent women and children, and I dont usually feel the need to bring that up unless somebody starts telling me how terrible the English were and are. If you were to quote a statistic and say it was European whites who were responsible for so many deaths in this perioid in history, no one is going to get overly upset with you, and you probably will have a job to go to tomorrow. In New Jersey a police officer was fired for giving an honest answer to a question he was asked in an interview. No one asked him if he believed whites were better or if there was some genetic hokum that made blacks prone to crime. But they did ask him if he knew of any statistics about a certain kind of crime (drugs I believe) as it pertained to race. And he answered by quoting an actual FBI statistic....you get the picture. He was fired. Even a black guy on the force defended him. But thats the way it is. People are allergic to race issues.

Yes but its not some religious superstition or fear that steers people away from LSD. If you like it fine. It's not some character weakness or wimpiness that makes some people shy away from it, but a valid belief that it is no more than a good swift kick to the nervous system and that its not advisable to do that to yourself. Personally I dont put much stock in the "light show". You know, dazzling insights and such things.

Ok The link I clicked on said something about religion fearing LSD???? OK....I dont know where its leading by I dont think LSD is frowned upon strictly by religious people. And I dont think it really leads one to any higher spiritual planes. How can a chemical affect you spiritually? LSD increases the amount of certain neurotransmitters in the brain, thus causing a temporary chemical imbalance. There is nothing higher about this reality, its just like having a temporary mental condition. It's like giving your nervous system a good swift kick. Yeah sometimes the bruise wears away, but sometimes a good kick or a few good kicks leave some kind of lasting effect, whether you notice em or not. LSD affects brain chemistry and changes its natural state. No its well known LSD and Shrooms are not addictive----they are not pleasure drugs like cocaine or anything---but intense experience drugs. But yeah basically these are things that pretty much put your mind in an unbalanced state. Alot of people take LSD and function well but again people have reasons for not recommending it. Mind expansion is a huge lie.

Have you ever walked through a third world slum? If material conditions, and the intellectual stunting that results, is the measure by which we are to determine the worthiness of races, I daresay we'd best break out the zyclon B and the crop dusters and start flying toward Asia and Africa. I don't think there is anything intrinsically better about one over the other, but I don't think that's the question. The question is not the relative worth of races, because I don't think there is much difference, if any, in the inherent worthiness of races. I think there are many reasons why caucasians bolted ahead in every field of endeavor in the last 500 years, but I sincerely doubt that whiteness was one of them. But that doesn't mean I think it makes no difference if caucasians fade away or are done away with either. It makes a great deal of difference to me. Yeah just because I dont think a daisy has any more intrinsic worth than a tulip, doesnt mean I want daises to disappear thinking well there will still be tulips.

well thats just it, i am not trying to impress you with my writing abilities. it was just a simple sarcastic story making fun of the idea that any of this is comparable to nazism, and also throwing in a bit about how pot makes people better pilots. its not an attempt at a writing career. no one here is putting you down cuz you smoke pot. you arent the first one to come on here and argue for pot legalization and to say you smoke the stuff. I used to smoke pot. Its this far out stuff where you blow up and say Americans are all stupid and everyone is sheep cuz they dont smoke weed and we should send the US Gov some weed to smoke so they can actually start solving problems. That's pretty funny stuff man. Cmon.

Something Dan Simmons said once, and I paraphrase..."There are crowds of would be writers out there, all writing bad, poor, or passable prose, and the one thing their works seem to share is an overwhelming focus on "me". Could have been Stephen King, but I doubt it...he lives in too glass a house to throw those rocks... OK does anyone actually think I am trying to get a book deal? no, you are simply not clever or charismatic enought. Sorry. Next. Lol I feel terrible.

Hmmm I can see a big difference between wanting to preserve something and hating something else. It is not outright racist, and the certainly not far off comment the wrong way of looking at it. Where one person might wish to protect whites because he hates others and would never marry them, I think Scott is saying he would like to protect them cuz he wants them to exist not because he wants other races to disappear. Look at it this way.....I am white....If a black guy said "you know I wanna marry a black woman and have black kids" I am not gonna fly off the handle. It may be a decision he has in common with a Supremacist Rastafarian, but he may not necessarily be doing out of the same motive or from any hatred. As long as he aint planning to do anything to me whats the biggie.

Something Dan Simmons said once, and I paraphrase..."There are crowds of would be writers out there, all writing bad, poor, or passable prose, and the one thing their works seem to share is an overwhelming focus on "me". Could have been Stephen King, but I doubt it...he lives in too glass a house to throw those rocks... OK does anyone actually think I am trying to get a book deal?

I am not trying to prove it as detrimental. I am just saying that there is a lot of evidence that it is, because believe it or not CannabisFacts is not the only source of research stats. I am not even arguing whether it should be legal or not. I am just saying its not some evil plot to oppress pot smokers---this is not the reason why there are many people who dont support legalization. And its certainly not comparable to anything the Nazis did.

See here you suggest that I should be discussing my fiction in another forum...when you began the fiction discussion with this: YOUR FICTION, LIKE YOUR LOGIC, CENTRES TOO MUCH AROUND YOURSELF. COUNT THE NUMER OF Is, MEs, MYs. IT'S BORING BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED PERSPECTIVE, AND UNORIGINAL CONTENT. NICE TRY, THOUGH, FOR A SHORT TIME. FICTION WRITING REQUIRES PUTTING YOUSELF IN OTHER PEOPLE'S MINDS, WITHOUT JUDGMENT. SOMEHOW, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A QUALITY YOU POSSESS Lol And silly me I ony continued my story cuz I thought you like it.....which I assumed when you said "Great fiction! Looking forward to read the "The Green Goulag" by jefferiah."

I never once said you were under the influence. Lol. I never called you a stoner with disdain. No its not important who brought up my fiction but you are the one who said that analysis of my fiction belongs in another thread and were also the one analyzing it. So its like you are fighting with yourself here, but confusing me for the one who did these things in the first place.

Just as valid, not identical. No certainly not identical and certainly not equal in validity. And dont try to do a 180 and say you werent implying thats that what he was saying. You know it, I know it.

Phew, your historical inaccuracies alone could give me hours of work to rebut! Suffice it to say you are incorrect. The early church revered the Blessed Mother, and this was affirmed in the early Church Councils. The reformation did not come at a time when people were "allowed" to read the Scriptures. At the time of the Reformation, the majority of people were still illiterate. In fact, universal literacy in the West was not achieved until early in the last century. Nowhere in the Doctrines of Holy Mother church are there instructions or dogmas to pray to the Saints. The Mass is celebrated every single day, not once a year. The priest dosen't have the "power" to do anything. He has the faculties to act as the conduit between God and the people, as per Scripture and the Traditions of the Faith. The Bible is the book of the Church, and it was the Church which existed first. There is much more you are incorrect on, but those are the major ones. When were the Early church councils? And when were the Epistles written? Which one reveres Mary? Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus' brothers were immacutely conceived? When Jesus was told that his mother and brothers were here----what did he say? Why did he call Mary "woman"? The bread (which must be wheaten, and which is unleavened in the Latin, Armenian and Ethiopic Rites, but is leavened in most Eastern Rites) and wine (which must be from grapes) used in the Eucharistic rite are, in Catholic faith, transformed in all but appearance into the Body and Blood of Christ, a change that is called transubstantiation. Only a bishop or priest is enabled to be a minister of the Eucharist, acting in the person of Christ himself. -----Wikipedia "Only a priest can consecrate bread and wine so they become the body and blood of Christ." http://www.osv.com/OSV4MeNav/MyCatholicFai...19/Default.aspx "The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: "Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation." Pg. 347, #1376.

o........k....then Look all I am saying is man you are blowing this societal oppression thing out of proportion. I dont look down on people who smoke pot, alot of my friends do and I used to. But the fact that some people dont support legalizing it is not some attempt to keep you down, KO2. And whenever someone disagrees with you or chides you a little bit for a spelling mistake (which we all make, only it makes a good joke when we are talking about getting high right.) or saying something like marijuana actually enhances driving ability, you fly right off the handle with poetic raving against them or against Americans or whatnot. You arent fighting for freedom anymore than me, you are just whining about not getting your way. Reminds me of the tactics I would use as a teenager to try to get my way with my parents. "What do you mean no allowance this week , mom? You guys are tyrants and I am moving out." Its' kind of funny all this jibberish you are speaking, like you are mimicking Jesus and we are all the Pharisees. Now thats quite a tactic, aint it. I can do the exact same thing and just as well. Calling everyone else a Pharisee dont make you Jesus, pal. It makes you rather self-indulgent. Oh well, no one is asking for your head. Smoking a little pot aint the worst thing in the world. Everyone here knows someone who smokes it. People are not getting on you cuz you smoke the stuff, they are getting on you cuz you are blowing up at them in this lunatic fashion. And you keep citing studies from a website called Cannabisfacts or whatever. Look I am not debating how bad pot is, but everyone knows the marijuana camp is more than a little biased in studies they endorse and cite. They basically only publish things which say cannabis would make the world a magical place. These are not the only people who do studies. In recent years, medical studies link cannabis to chemical imbalances and mental problems becasue they have a direct affect on neurotransmitters and over time this affect can create chronic depression, anxiety, even paranoia. I know lots of people who stopped smoking pot cuz they found it caused alot of paranoia or they would freak out from having episodes of intense over-analysis. So instead of painting it as the cure-all for everything just stick to your right to do it, which is something I can take more seriously. People who want to smoke tobacco are not going to say its good for you but they can still make an argument that its a personal freedom. Hamburgers are not the healthiest food choice, but I dont want some health nut saying I cant eat em once in a while, right. Now from a legal perspective as far as driving goes you may actually be fine driving on it. Probably a lot of people are. And as I said before I dont doubt there are people who can drive alright if they are a smidgeon beyond the legal limit of alcohol. But legally no one has time to debate who can handle what. And there is no accurate way to test for legal limits of pot. Pot stays in your system a long time too, so you could test positive a month later. Insurance companies have said that if marijuana is legalized rates are going up-- for everyone. A lot of employers dont want people who use drugs to work for them, and I believe that if you own a company you should be able to hire people you want based on what you value, and dont even try comparing this to hiring based on color of skin. Sure a lot of people smoke pot and can be responsible, while some others are lazy and dull. I knew a girl who smoked pot at high school who was super focused and hard working. But personally it made me dreamy and dull. Alot of employers dont want to be in the business of seperating the two. If you dont like the company's policy about drugs go elsewhere. Lol pal. I just wrote the story, you are the one who initially brought up my fiction-writing abilities, insulted them and critiqued them as if I were planning on it to be a best-seller anyway.

Jefferiah, I do appreciate the defense, but the fact of the matter is that I couldn't care less if someone wants to call me a racist. No, I don't believe in white superiority; I think it's silly. No, I don't believe in genocide against others; I think it's atrocious. No, I'm not a Nazi, because I hate totalitarianism, and I especially hate socialism, whether it's directed toward the state as with the Nazis, or toward the masses, as with hard and soft "socialist" systems. But frankly none of that matters, because people like Xman and MM really don't want to hear it anyway, prefering instead to trill trite bumper sticker slogans like MM's "Race is a subject created so racists can worry about it." I mean really...who cares what people like that think? I brought up a question I think is important, and a question that should have been addressed decades ago. If people want to stand on the sidelines and throw manure, it's no concern of mine. In fact, I think our society has to break out of this ridiculous coccoon of fear that any mention of race is a no no. Christ, Blacks hold "million man marches," an event we can all be sure has to do directly with race, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton has made careers out of whining loudly about race, Indians of all stripes bellow about race all day long and well into the night...the Chinese even have a political party based on race, but Caucasians can't possibly talk about it or else it suddenly means concentration camps, gas chambers, and ovens? What utter hogwash. I cant remember where I read the quote but some fellow from the US once said something to the effect of: I am American-sorry. It was a joke of course, but yeah it's like the same thing with being white. A while back I remember someone starting threads about your personal experiences with black people, native people, etc. Everyone answered pretty civil and gave nice answers. And then when someone started a thread called Your Personal Experiences With White Anglo Saxons---well it was a free for all to make insults. And the thing is it didnt offend me either. And probably a lot of stuff people said were just jokes anyway, but you know you couldnt do the same thing vice versa wise.

Jefferiah, I do appreciate the defense, but the fact of the matter is that I couldn't care less if someone wants to call me a racist. No, I don't believe in white superiority; I think it's silly. No, I don't believe in genocide against others; I think it's atrocious. No, I'm not a Nazi, because I hate totalitarianism, and I especially hate socialism, whether it's directed toward the state as with the Nazis, or toward the masses, as with hard and soft "socialist" systems. But frankly none of that matters, because people like Xman and MM really don't want to hear it anyway, prefering instead to trill trite bumper sticker slogans like MM's "Race is a subject created so racists can worry about it." I mean really...who cares what people like that think? I brought up a question I think is important, and a question that should have been addressed decades ago. If people want to stand on the sidelines and throw manure, it's no concern of mine. In fact, I think our society has to break out of this ridiculous coccoon of fear that any mention of race is a no no. Christ, Blacks hold "million man marches," an event we can all be sure has to do directly with race, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton has made careers out of whining loudly about race, Indians of all stripes bellow about race all day long and well into the night...the Chinese even have a political party based on race, but Caucasians can't possibly talk about it or else it suddenly means concentration camps, gas chambers, and ovens? What utter hogwash. And I dont have any problem with that.

Harper and The Marijuana SS caught up with K02 20 miles away from the prison camp in an old airfield. He was cornered on all sides. Seeing no other alternative, he climbed into an abandoned jalopy-of-an-airplane and to his surprise she still worked. "Eat my dust you Nazi bastards," he shrieked with delight as he took off. He was flying high and on his way the freezone----Amsterdam. He made it across the Atlantic in good time and it appeared as if he would have no further trouble. Wrong! About midway over the British Isles he was faced with a nasty surprise. A convoy of Harper's Luftwaffe were tailing him. How could an inexperienced pilot like poor KO2 weave his way out of this danger? He was in deep trouble for sure. And that is when the miracle happened. Bowing his head to pray, he noticed that there was a brown paper bag on the floor. "Could it be?", he asked himself. Yes...it was. Glorious marijuana. He rolled himself a spliff with one hand while flying with the other. A few good tokes and he was ready to roll. Thank goodness that marijuana smoke delivers almost instantaneously. Within seconds he was transformed into an ace pilot, thanks to the power of weed which (as everyone knows) improves piloting skills. He flew circles around the Luftwaffe, laughing and singing like Mad Murdock, while the A Team theme played as if from nowhere. One after the other, he tricked his enemies into crashing into each other with a series of fancy flight maneuvers. Then after a safe landing in Amsterdam, he met up with Kevin Spencer and scored some legal weed with him.

lolol....do you really care about my fiction? its a forum post not a novel. and do you think i am really serious about my super powers coming from weed? what makes you think i am also serious about being a superhero? plus i added Kevin Spencer.

so if you were telling your wife about your day how would you do it "oh, well, to tell the truth honey, KO2 had a really bad day. he was not happy at all. i feel really bad for him. first he got stuck in traffic, then his boss yelled at him for being late for work...i think KO2 is just going to go to bed now."

well seeing as i was the main character and first person in the story its pretty hard not to write with a lot of I's and Me's. Lol. Anyhoo you are the one who keep saying that "I" and "Me" is undergoing horrible oppression from "Them".

Yeah I was one of the lucky ones who didnt get carted off to the incinerator when I used to smoke pot. I escaped the pothead prison camps by night by crawling inside the sewers. I am part of the reason the final solution against pot smokers didnt work. Jeff's Fiction continued: Harper and The Marijuana SS caught up with me 20 miles away from the prison camp in an old airfield. I was cornered on all sides. Seeing no other alternative, I climbed into an abandoned jalopy-of-an-airplane and to my surprise she still worked. "Eat my dust you Nazi bastards," I shrieked with delight as I took off. I was flying high and on my way the freezone----Amsterdam. I made it across the Atlantic in good time and it appeared as if I would have no further trouble. Wrong! About midway over the British Isles I was faced with a nasty surprise. A convoy of Harper's Luftwaffe were tailing me. How could an inexperienced pilot like me weave his way out of this danger? I was in deep trouble for sure. And that is when the miracle happened. Bowing my head to pray I noticed that there was a brown paper bag on the floor. "Could it be?", I asked myself. Yes...it was. Glorious marijuana. I rolled myself a spliff with one hand while flying with the other. A few good tokes and I was ready to roll. Thank goodness that marijuana smoke delivers almost instantaneously. Within seconds I was transformed into an ace pilot, thanks to the power of weed which (as everyone knows) improves piloting skills. I flew circles around the Luftwaffe laughing and singing like Mad Murdock while the A Team theme played as if from nowhere. One after the other, I tricked my enemies into crashing into each other with a series of fancy flight maneuvers. Then after a safe landing in Amsterdam, I met up with Kevin Spencer and scored some legal weed with him.

Yeah I was one of the lucky ones who didnt get carted off to the incinerator when I used to smoke pot. I escaped the pothead prison camps by night by crawling inside the sewers. I am part of the reason the final solution against pot smokers didnt work.

Xman, I could be wrong here. I dont know ScottSA. But look, from what I have seen thus far his question is not at all identical to yours. He never said anything about whites being the beautiful people while the rest are the uglies. There is a distinct possibility that what he is saying is not what you are making it out to be. The fact that he is looking at the possibility of the extinction of "white people" (whatever his definition is) and considering if there are ways to prevent it does not necessarily mean he wants other races out of the way. I would have no problem dating a person of another race. I have no problem with people saying they find people of one particular race more attractive. Thats just a matter of preference. Some girls are attracted to tall guys and I am short.....Whoop dee doodle. If a black guy said to me "you know, jeff nothing against white people, but id like to marry a black girl and have black kids" i wouldnt care. Would you? That's his business and he isnt hurting anybody. Plus if I heard a black saying he was concerned over black populations falling (in some imaginary era) and he and some other people would like to try to preserve it (as long as they dont force others) whats the problem with that. I mean to some people it may not be a big deal, some people might like to try to preserve it. I dont care if they tear down a pub in Ireland that's been around since 1674. But some people do care and take it upon themselves to try to preserve it. And thats their thing. Thats their business. Maybe we should enforce equal opportunity dating laws so that people have to date so many people of another race during their lifetime?

Lol. Actually I have been hearing the last few days that studies are showing Canadians know relatively little about Canada and I dont doubt it. As for all your pot statistics you are pretty much getting em from pro-marijuana sites. These are the people who quote studies or make up studies to say that not only is marijuana harmless, it also makes you drive better. Lol. Think about it dude. OK now as for you wanting to legalize marijuana....thats your opinion. A lot of people dont agree. No one is trying to opress you. It's not like you are being forced into a labour camp and beaten cuz you smoke pot. We all know people who smoke pot. There are places in the world where you can get some very very stiff penalties for being in possession of the stuff. And here I know people who smoke pot, and I am sure that all the American posters on here know people who smoke the stuff too....and these people are not being carted off to prison and cut off from society or anything. I have read lots of material that says marijuana affects motor skills. And another thing is that it affects different people differently. While most people do have a pretty mild buzz and I would say its relatively less of an impairment than being drunk, there are people I have seen who occassionally get pretty "loopy" on it. Look you say I can drive fine on it. Well first off a lot of drinkers say that same thing. Now to be fair, I believe that you probably do have reasonable motor control on the drug. Right. I am sure there are people who possess the ability to drive well when they are a smidgeon beyond the legal limit of alcohol. But the cops, the law---whatever---doesnt have time to seperate between the two. Now lets say you agree then not to drive on marijuana. OK fine. We can legalize it and pull over people who are under the influence after being tested then. Right? No.....wrong! You mentioned Ross Reglabiati in a post. He said he had been around pot smoke at a party months prior to being tested at the Olympics. Do you see where this is going? Pot and alcohol metabolize alot differently. If I got drunk a week ago I am not going to fail the breathalizer today. Capiche?