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Its beyond me too. What are you talking about ? I'm sure your handlers at Amtrac and CP Rail would be very pleased with you right now Polynewbie. SHILL!!!

You all have it wrong! I have UNdeniable, UNdebunkable, UNreliable proof that 911 WAS an inside job! Black Dog, you sir are nothing more than a scoundrel. I dare you…nay I DOUBLE Black Dog dare you to debunk what you are about to see. Kimmy…….pffft (need I repeat myself Kimmy?). Canadian Blue, I hope you enjoy your stay in concentration camp #2777 my friend, they really do serve the best gruel. Poly…ohhh….poor, poor Poly. How you have been led astray is beyond me (actually it isn’t, think mind control, all the NWO’s are doing it.) For the rest of you, prepare to have your world turned upside down and inside out. We, the proletariat have been lied to! The MSM, government agencies and even our own mother’s would have us believe that 19 Islamic radicals highjacked 4 planes on September 11 2001 with the intention of spreading terror throughout the western world. Ohhhh I admit it rhymes with planes, but there were no planes. There were no Islamic radicals spreading terror. There is only the undeniable troof which I am, at great risk to my personal safety, about to share with you all. I will keep you in suspense no longer friends, my time has run out and I’m afraid someone is on to me. Behold the truth about 911! Debunk that you damned dirty Dog. Ps. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all!

And Santa 's coming in a couple of weeks!

Temagami, I guess I just didn’t grow up believing in the stereotypes as my family is soooo mixed in respect to our ancestry. My mother’s side of the family is a mixture of German and Russian and my father’s is French, Hungarian, Iroquois and Métis. To complicate matters further my wife is a mixture of Australian Scottish and Koori (in perfect proportion of course) which leaves me wondering what stereotypes my kids should live up to.

Considering that the alternative to paying for temporary housing is to put 600 people (many of them children) on the streets I think the federal government made the right choice. I have to agree with qc1765 that the monetary cost is unimportant in this situation (and I’m a typical whiney tax payer).

Temagami, no big surprise to me. I’ve stayed in many Native owned and operated camps in northern Alberta, worked along side many aboriginal contractors in the oil and gas sectors and recently spent about a year and a half helping a couple of friends (who are Cree) start up a fabrication business in the Edmonton area. (They know the business end of it and I know the production end of it.) What does surprise me is how the stereotype (lazy Natives) persists in the face of these realities. Kinda wunderin' the same thing.

Heheh...can't really disagree with you if your point is that the federal govt. is an over bloated pig that steals from peter to pay paul but my point is that demographics are rapidly changing here and with these changes we are becoming more and more representitive of Canada as a whole.Hell the young hip kids are calling us Ab. to the R.O.C. It is the Alberta of our generation and our children's generation. (Unless you've got a receipt for it that is.) Giver. Lets have a referendum tomorrow and see what happens. I'll live by the results, will you?

How to make Canadian pie (tourtiere(sp) for you Kwee-becker’s) 2 cups-Alberta 1 cup-Saskatchewan 3/4 cup-BC 1/2 cup-Ontario 1/4 cup-Newfoundland 1/3 cup-miscellaneous 3 tbl spoons-boom and doom economy Mix vigorously in a bowl with a land mass of 661 190 sq. km’s. Bake in a temperate oven for 101years then drizzle with copious amounts of crude oil and natural gas to taste. This is no longer the Alberta of our parents and grandparents Jerry.

This was an inaccurate statement. (From post #276) Engineer approved drawings would provide traceability of materials approved for construction; they would not provide traceability of fabrication procedures. Traceability of fabrication procedures would be found in the quality control manual of the company/s contracted to build the WTC complex. The application of these procedures would be included in a data package specific to this job (the data package should also include traceability of materials used). I should point out that I am applying my knowledge and experience from the oil and gas industry to the building of high rises (although the concept of traceability is universal when building to codes or standards).

Polynewbie, I can't take anything you say seriously as you approach this with pre-determined conclusions and only search for information which backs that up (this is what I'm talking about Charles). You don't really care about what happened on September 11 2006, you only care about how you can tie it into your personal theories of how the world works. This is extremely dis-respectful to the victims and surviving family members of the 911 tragedy.

Absolutely, the whole point of traceability is to be able to assign liability in the case of failure. There would also be traceability of the fabrication procedures used in the construction of the tower complex in the form of engineer approved drawings. The engineer approved drawings have never been released. Along with the possibility of lawsuits to the owners and builders there is also a possibility that the Manhattan skyline is dotted with other buildings that may not meet the minimum requirements for safety as specified in the building codes that were in place during their construction.

http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtc-r.../WTC_apndxB.pdf …and the plot thickens… Pay particular attention to the bolded areas here. As someone who deals with codes, standards and all the related documentation everyday I find this troublesome and here’s why: 1) 0% Traceability of building materials (assuming the manufacturer of the steel [in Japan] has not kept records stating the heat and lot numbers of the material shipped). 2) No attempt was made to confirm the chemical or mechanical properties of the steel used in the construction of a building which fell down and killed many innocent people. To summarize; We have a structure which was exempted from existing building codes that has 0% traceability of materials (assumed) get hit by two fully fueled jets and collapse killing thousands of innocent people. The institution investigating this tragic event has no interest in the mechanical or chemical properties of the materials used (tensile strengths of the materials is soooo crucial here). I’ve got no problems with that….do you?

Charles, so what is your angle on this. Do you think that there was a conspiracy to take down the towers or a conspiracy to cover up evidence after the towers collapsed. For myself, I'm starting to believe that there was a cover up of the evidence at the scene to thwart critisism of the New York Port Authority and it's decision to not build the WTC site to the building codes in use at that time. I found it interseting to read the comments on that architectural forum concerning this incedent as there is a school of thought that we have out paced the ability of technology to build safe high rise buildings. They call them P.C.s (people crushers). So could this be a cover up to avoid non-payment from insurance companies or something of that sort?

Well you sound like a reasonable sort Gosthacked. The issue I personally have with the polynewbie’s out there in cyberland is that every new theory has one common denominator: The Government/Bush/Illuminati/Giant Spice Worms from the planet Arakis did it. This says something important about the theory’s in that every new theory must conform to this conclusion. This severely limits ones ability to research any fact which doesn’t conform to this intended conclusion…(do you agree?). This in no way means that we shouldn’t be critical of, or question the findings of reports such as the FEMA report on the WTC collapse, it just means that when we do question the government’s findings we should do so with facts, not conjecture coupled with pre-determined conclusions. I was starting to look into who the EPA’s special agent in charge was during the time frame that the attack on New York took place but wasn’t really finding anything useful so I decided to take a different approach. I started to think, “wouldn’t it be interesting to sit in a room full of professionals who actually build high rises and hear what they have to say about what happened on September 11 2001, do they argue about controlled demo’s and free fall speeds of the buildings during collapse”. As luck would have it I did have a link to an architectural forum which was e-mailed to me by a friend of my wife’s from Seattle who happens to be an architect. She has been helping us through the design phase of our new home and had sent us the link to help answer some of the questions we have about designing an energy efficient house. I tried a search for WTC and low and behold they are talking about it. What I found out was very interesting indeed. It turns out that when the New York Port Authority built the WTC all building codes were suspended for the project. Could this be why the plans for the WTC were never released to the general public? Could this also be why materials were whisked off site to be re-cycled before a full investigation could be preformed? It doesn’t answer Charles Anthony’s question: Who? But it does partially explain why [materials were removed in haste]? Here is a couple quotes from professionals who actually design and build the high rises we see in our downtown cores. And (Polynewbie may want to pay particular attention to what happens to concrete at certain temperatures) link So here we have a forum dedicated to architects and structural engineers talking about what they think caused the collapse and pointing out design flaws which the Port Authority may not want people knowing about.

(Polynewbie stands under a light standard pointing up and yelling UFO…UFO… until you point out that it’s not a UFO it’s just the light at the end of the standard. Poly's response: run down to the next light standard, point up and yell: UFO…UFO…LOOK EVERYBODY A UFO…ad infinitum.)