BubberMiley
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I don't have evidence. That's why I qualified it with "I think." I think Harper believes strongly in what he believes in. He was willing to help found a political party to advance his beliefs, so I don't think he's willing to go soft on them now.
I also believe the Quebec wing and the Atlantic wing and the Manitoba wing of the CPC are made up largely of PC supporters who are much more moderate. I have no evidence of a civil war, but there are clearly two sides to this party (with Stronach's defection giving ample evidence of that), and the climate is ripe for conflict.
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Again, I'm not a Liberal (and we really need to consolidate this discussion under one thread).
My point was, Wilber seems to think that, just because neocons invaded Iraq, that is what defines them. I'm not bitter, just stating facts again. GO NDP.
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I'm not a Liberal. (I need to get that tattoed on my forehead).
There was a large number of anybody-but-Harper people who voted for Stronach. They thought his neocon principles were too extreme. Where are they now? They are being appeased by people like you who will do anything to cover up everything Harper ever said about anything prior to 2004.
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You clearly don't have a clue what a neocon is.
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I am not calling him a liar, you are. I'm saying he is not wishy-washy, that his ideas are well thought-out and he knows exactly what he believes. You seem to be saying that he has renounced the principles he stood for when he founded the Reform Party and was president of the NCC, when he hasn't. I am saying, just as you are, that he may be willing to make policy concessions to get elected and stay in power. I don't agree with neoconservativism and so I would agree that it is a negative term (based on my own ideology). You probably have no problem with the ideology, but you're scared to use the term because you think it is pejorative. That's probably because the most incompetent government on the face of the earth is a neocon government, and you don't like being associated with them.
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You're the one saying calling Harper a neocon is reactionary, hurtful and a lie. You're the o ne turning it into a bogeyman term by being so scared to admit that it fully defines his positions.
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I believe that there is a civil war in the CPC: neocons versus moderate conservatives; Harper supporters and the anybody-but-Harper former PCers who supported Stronach. To appease the moderates and to get elected, Harper is downplaying his personal beliefs that he very willingly expressed for 15 years in political life. Whether or not his agenda will come to fruition after he is elected depends a lot on how badly he wants to get reelected and how strong the remaining moderates are in the party. So his agenda isn't exactly hidden, since it's been clearly put on the record over the years, but it's certainly being downplayed.
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No, I think newoconservativism was defined by neoconservatives. Blair isn't one (going into Iraq doesn't automatically make him one--didn't you read the definition?).
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Okay, fine. Martin has some principles that could be considered neoconservative. I'm not using it as a bogeyman term like many others do. I'm just stating the facts, ma'am. Harper is a neocon; the CPC will lie and cry and do anything to make it seem like he isn't.
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Neocon is not a reactionary phrase (neo-fascist certainly sounds like one though). Neoconservative is a common term used by many (some pro, some against) to define political principles that Harper has built his career on. CPC is beginning to sound like a term to define conservatives who will do whatever they can to hide their true beliefs in order to get elected.
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What can they do to turn it around?
Remind everyone what the National Citizen's Coalition stands for and that Harper was the president. Oh, and use that four-letter word "Iraq" a few times. That should do it.
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Wikipedia. Why? Is there something you disagree with?
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Speak for yourself.
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RG what exatly would Harper have to do to *show he has changed his ideology* in your view?
Uh, maybe say he's changed his ideology? He hasn't said that. The CPC election platform doesn't necessarily represent his ideology, especially when it often conflicts with things he's proudly stood for for the past 15 years. The CPC election platform is to get elected. He obviously believes in what he believes in, and you, by denying it, make it seem like his beliefs are worse than they probably are.
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CPC supporters will likely respond by saying "My God, that was two years ago. He's a changed man! Calling Harper a neocon is unfair and hurtful."
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Argus, you took my quote out of context. I may be an idiot, but I can thin,k for myself, and not spout baseless drivel as fact.
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Talk about shrill.
How's this cut-and-paste job? I'm too lazy to paraphrase for you.
Neoconservatism broke with the old Progressive Conservatives by encouraging closer political cooperation with the United States, and was aloof towards the party's interventionist Keynesian economics and traditional support of Canada's colonial ties to Britain. Neoconservatives advocate a realist, self-interested approach to national and international relations and tend to support socially conservative policies, although there also exists a deep libertarian strain that brings the two into conflict.
Neoconservatives emphasize tax cuts - particularly personal and corporate income tax cuts, and often accompanied by increases in user fees such as post-secondary tuition - broad cuts to public spending and services, increased privatization and provision of public goods through outsourcing and public-private partnerships, reduction of individual benefits such as welfare and unemployment benefits, and workfare.
This is a far cry from the moderate conservativism Canadians were used to up till the founding of the Reform Party, and the moderate conservativism still being advocated by the few remaining PCers in the CPC.
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There must be something sinister about being a neocon considering nearly every CPC poster on this site says it's a "hateful lie" when people call Harper one.
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I didn't say the CPC is newcon. They are not presently running on a neocon platform, so I don't know. I do know their leader is, along with David Frum, a poster boy for neoconservativism. I also know the Reform Party was the definition of Canadian neoconservativism. You wonder why people accuse the CPC of having a hidden agenda when they deny their own leader's clearly stated principles. If they didn't want a neocon leader, they should have elected Peter Mackay or Bernard Lord or Belinda Stronach
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What, scared? I'm just saying he knows what he's talking about. When he speaks his mind, he can eloquently express his neocon principles.
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Bubber is:
Social Libertarian 13.6%
Economical Authoritarian 20.5%
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You're willing to call the NDP communist, which few members would admit to being, but are unwilling to acknowledge that Harper is a neocon, which even he has admitted and never denied being.
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Yeah, but he's no George W. He knows his way around an ideology.
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Are you denying he helped found a neoconservative party back in the 80s? You don't think anyone should be interested that he was president of the NCS, an organization founded on working towards eliminating public health care?
And I'll probably vote NDP (but I'm strategizing).
Harper looking good; Martin looking frazzled
in Federal Politics in Canada
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I was talking about the GOP, "a beacon of conservativism," responsible for crazy deficits, Iraq, Katrina....
In comparison, Canada is doing very well under the Libs.