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As for the police. They have there job to do and nobody has a problem with that. However they also have an agenda to collect and hold as much power as they can and use that power to control the general population. Since information is a powerful tool it’s pretty clear why they want to retain any information from the long gun registry they can. Does it mean the registry is effective? No, but they will say it is to get their way. It also doesn’t mean the police are above the law and entitled to retain the information at the expense of tax payers . They are subject to the same laws throughout Canada. I would like to know where the police are going to set up radar traps. Do you suppose they will share that information?

cybercoma, There are just too many holes in the registry. They cannot justify the cost for a system that doesn't work. Also, the way the law was pushed onto "law abiding citizens" means they lost support from the vary people that needed to back it. It was doomed from the very start. It was also a careless way for the Liberal government to spend the tax money. The legal gun owners told them it would not work and they didn't care so they lost the respect of legal gun owners. They didn't want to listen. They were going to push it through parliament and not listen to what the voters had to say. That tells us they had another plan in the works. A total collection of all guns. It's no wonder the Liberal party was crushed in the last election. Now with that in mind. Quebec and Ontario want to try and save the registry for their own use. Remember the politicians who support it in the next election, and get them out. They cannot do it. This was a federal program that used federal money so one or two provinces will not have a chance to save it. The information is also private and not for disclosure so it must be destroyed. Hell, even my doctor needs my permission to tell another doctor. Do you suppose the legal gun owners will say it's ok to share my information? Not that the information would mean anything. I could sell my guns or buy more guns and the registry would not know. Also, how would Ontario and Quebec keep unregistered guns out of the province? They will need to spend billions more to set up borders.

What you have done my friend is what I call gun control. Myself. I had one rifle that I never used. When they brought in the registry, I decided to fight it the best way I could. So I renewed my license and started "cowboy action shooting" with my wife at my gun club. I now have four hand guns, four shotguns, and three rifles. I also started reloading my own ammunition and casting my own bullets. We shoot all the time and have met many new friends. I also make leather holsters by hand that are selling like hot cakes. I attend every meeting and volunteer as much as I can. You might say I'm grateful to the government of the day. We are having a blast. Cowboy Action is a family sport that doesn't focus on competition. It's all about getting out, having fun with friends and shooting safe.

If a person owns a registered gun, then that person dies. The gun is left in the estate. What is stopping someone from selling that gun as unregistered? If the cops ask about the gun years later, it could be said the last registered owner must have sold it and not transferred the weapon. The police would have nobody to arrest. The gun is in the wrong hands. It's once again proven the registry does not work.

He was not a criminal before the law was made. Therefore the law made him a criminal.

I think PC is spot on. In fact a lot of gun owners were made criminals when the law came into affect. My own father in law owned a gun all his life without a license. He tried to get a POL license but was too late making his application. (denied) They told him he would have to take a safety course and apply for a PAL license. He said he didn't want to buy another gun just keep the one he always had. They said,"take the course or give up your gun". He did neither.

I agree, So why not spend 2 billion to support gun clubs that teach firearm safety and conservation rather then a long gun registry that will not work. If people are idiots, let's change that. No problem.

The anti-gun people are the ones who want everyone to register guns, just like cars. You don't get to use "some fictitious position" for a one sided opinion. It really does make you an idiot, not just look like one.

You said a mouthful PC. I totally agree

cybercoma There is no right to own a car either. Therefore, keeping in step with your line of reason. If someone sees your car parked at a pub and your inside having a beer. It would be reasonable to call the police and have them revoke your license and tow your car to an impound yard. This is what seems reasonable to you? It’s only what’s best for the general public. Right? Oh, and since you no longer have a drivers license you cannot get your car back. Remember, a car is also a deadly weapon in the wrong hands.

cybercoma They might revoke your license if your unable to drive safely, but they don't take away your private property and charge you as a criminal. People are assumed innocent until proven guilty. The Canadian constitution guarantees that with something called due process.

I think Mr. Vaughan has his head in the sand. Gun clubs are needed especially in the city areas. Police need access to them as an inexpensive way to practice. Not only that, the educational aspect is very important. If little johnny knows about guns and how to respect them, the next time he goes to his friends house he won't try to show off by grabbing the gun from the closet. Mr. Vaughan is doing more harm to your community then he knows. To limit access to guns and gun ranges will only breed ignorance. An investigation into the death of that man would likely show he and his friends did not follow safety rules in accordance with the club policies. When I was in high school, I organized a field trip for our class. We went to our local military armory and they taught us to shoot 22 cal. rifles and gun safety. I got an A+ for the effort. I wonder how a field trip like that would be accepted today? I bet the teacher and students would be on the 6 o clock news.

Sounds like your gun club needs to do some public relations work. Have an open house and invite the public to come check out the club and talk with shooters and even try your guns. (supervised of course) Show them the positive aspects of the club. Safety,education,conservation. Show how the club can offer a safe environment for young people to learn that guns should be respected, not feared. Help people get their license. Get people started into "Cowboy Action Shooting" and show how much fun it can be for the entire family. Have a black powder demo. Next thing you know the entire community will back the club and city counsel will get the message. Leave our club alone.

It prevents crime in the minds and hearts of those who endorse it. Other then that, no.

What if they said " We know you take a drink from time to time so you can't own a car because you might drive impaired? Does this seem fair? Do you see it as just being safe and in the best interest of the general public? How about if you took the time to get a driver license, buy insurance, put gas in the car, take a safe drivers course. Then one night you forgot to lock your car and some low life steals your car then kills somebody with it. So you call the police to report the theft and they come to your house to investigate. Next thing you know, you are being arrested because you failed lock your car. Who cares about the car, or the crime. At least you will be behind bars. This seems fair to you?