Tony Hladun

I agree with you, but you and I don't matter. What matters is what does the Quebec City to Windsor axis want. Poilievre might win the next election but he'll be faced with a majority of axis members so will anything really change? Provinces outside of Ontario and Quebec are basically colonies because we're a simple democracy and they have the votes. Ontario and Quebec are old US Rust Belt economies (OK Ontario built wildly expensive housing for a while) and with large numbers of immigrants what can they do?

Who cares who owns the companies. The Canadian facilities will get shut down and workers will become unemployed. Can't you understand that? Why do you think Canadian governments are concerned about a 25% tariff???

Two things can happen. The tax gets added to the US cost so the US goes elsewhere for oil. Alberta loses. Alternatively, the US says this is the price for oil so you eat the cost. Alberta loses. Where's the Alberta won't be affected fairy tale?

You're all just proving why the US is Alberta's only friend. Since oil and gas are far away Canada's biggest export and most of it comes from Alberta, all you're saying is let's tax Alberta some more. Enough of that crap. Don't worry, Alberta will never be able to leave Canada.

Production caps, no pipelines and endless regulation by Ottawa means that who owns the oil industry is completely irrelevant. The US doesn't need invasion, how about applying the same tariff on Canadian made EV's and parts as Trump will put on China? How about renegotiating USMCA? How about tightening the border? Trump can think of something. Just wait and it might become more clear.

The rest of Canada will never agree to Alberta's independence. In the West we know who will form the Federal Government before the first ballot is counted in Manitoba. So politically Alberta will never have influence, but it can get itself a guard dog. The oil in the oil sands really belongs to the US, they are the ones that will consume it over time. The US has fought wars and sacrificed countless American lives to get oil so putting a leash on Ottawa will be easy. Trump may be the man to do it. Trudeau and Guilbeault want to kill the oil industry and Ontario and Quebec are happy to tax it to death. The US is the only friend Alberta has (besides Sask), but it's a powerful friend. US shale oil is a temporary solution and as production declines Alberta's oil will become ever more important. The oil sands are the world's third largest reserve. The US economy is petroleum based and they will not be willing to pay the price to go electric. Maybe Danielle will say something to Donald at the inauguration?

The real elephant in the room is what is the deficit????

You're right. After Monday he'll fire Freeland, bring in Carney under a flag of "We'll be Responsible Now" and then stay on as PM.

Trudeau is an angry narcissist so he will not step down. The NDP and the Bloc will not vote him down because they haven't and I'll bet he'll try to get around a no confidence vote if there is one. Canada has made its bed and now we have to sleep in it.

Not sure what Andrew Scheer proposes, can you help me here? The Conservatives do have a problem with the "Axe the Tax" because it begs the question then what? Really what Canada should have done is recognized we are two parts. One is the Alberta Oil Sheikdom and the other is the rest of Alberta and Canada that are energy consumers. We should have then implemented a cap and trade system (like Quebec). The Sheikdom then could buy carbon credits and produce as much oil as Alberta wanted and the consuming part of Canada (including Alberta) could sell credits for their projects. Here are the numbers. the oil industry produces 217 mega-tonnes of emissions and at $80/tonne to be carbon-neutral would cost $17.4 Billion starting with a zero cap (Alberta now gives Quebec ~$14 Billion in Equalization payments). On the revenue side we produce about 4 million barrels per day. At today's WCS price of $55.94USD the revenue is $0.3 Billion per day ($115 Billion annually). I'm an Albertan and I blame Alberta's government for not being smart. Do what Quebec does, cap and trade, because they get the best deal and today they pay $57/tonne. The global average is $23/tonne (chump change).

To support my original post I asked AI about elasticity. Here's part of the answer: Short-Run Elasticity: The price elasticity of demand for oil is generally considered to be very low in the short run. Estimates suggest that the price elasticity of U.S. demand for oil is around -0.05. This indicates that a 1% increase in the price of oil would lead to only a 0.05% decrease in the quantity demanded. The reason for this low responsiveness is that consumers have limited immediate alternatives to oil; they cannot quickly change their driving habits or switch to alternative energy sources. So to get a 40% reduction in demand oil prices would need to rise 800%. Not likely. Here's the full search https://iask.ai/?mode=question&q=what+is+the+elasticity+between+oil+price+and+oil+consumption

Carbon taxes have not reduced emissions in reality. What I posted shows why they didn't work in theory since the Liberals have been hiding behind fake economics. (You should take up a different sport.)

Here's a good explanation of why carbon taxes don't work and are inflationary https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/inelastic.asp It's amazing that University Professors, Liberals, Conservatives, commentators and journalists don't seem to understand inelastic demand. The Liberals quote "economists" saying that taxes are a good way to reduce consumption, but they and their experts miss this very simple fact. Is "inelastic" a word that can't be spoken?

Search "Colonialism". If you can't "swallow" my comments then please don't read them.

OK they're a cult.

WestCanMan... a righteous mob

For hundreds of years the West stole from the Rest to build a lavish, high consumption lifestyle. Now the Rest wants their turn, but really what they want is the West lifestyle. Everybody wants but no one wants to sacrifice and suffer. There's an old Texas saying and it goes "when they talk about the principle it's the money that's the issue". This week in Azerbaijan they'll eat well, live lavishly, rack up huge amounts of air travel, rant and rage and in the end nothing will happen. To keep the party going the West is running up huge debts so I don't think they'll be too keen to give the Rest anything. Let's all watch Trump because he's not going to hide behind political correctness.

"You honestly can't even name 1 thing that Trump did which resembles autocratic leadership, so why would you go there?" I used the Trump definition of autocrat. Seriously, this time he's got the Senate and House on his side and he's got a country angry at the Democrats. He's also got the experience of being President, for four years the Democrats have tried to put him in prison and this is his chance to do what he wants (can't run again). I think there will be blood.

That's why I defined what I meant in these sentences: "Canada was going to be the poster child for reducing climate change. We were going to be leaders on the world stage. To our naive Federal leaders that was very noble." That is what the Liberals said they wanted to do; not my judgement.

It starts with righteousness, the quality of being morally right or justifiable. Canada was going to be the poster child for reducing climate change. We were going to be leaders on the world stage. To our naive Federal leaders that was very noble. However righteousness (“I’m right, you should do what I say.”) leads to the next step which is arrogance, the sense of superiority and scorn. Canada would achieve its climate goals by simply eliminating anything that emits CO2 regardless of the consequences. Let's just shut down the fossil fuel industries so we’ll appoint a Federal Minister who will be obsessed with doing that. To the righteous and naive, that seems very reasonable, but it ignores the fact that people have to heat their homes, drive for work and have the lights on. So now comes the next step and that is everyone gets angry. The Federal leaders are angry because people are stupid and won’t listen and the people are angry because the government’s obsession hurts. So with anger on all sides comes the last stage and that is hate. Hate is dividing Canada, causing us to look at the wrong things, and preventing us from doing something reasonable. So what can Canada do? Many years ago I took military leadership training and the definition of leadership was “the art of influencing others to achieve the aim”. That is not what our Federal government is doing. Today there is no art (skill), there is heavy-handedness and the aim is economic hardship without visible benefit to the individual. Canada can’t stop global climate change, all we can do is our share with everyone else. Our leaders must show understanding and empathy for the lower and middle classes (the voters) and offer alternatives that improve their lives. Righteousness needs to be stamped out and replaced with humility and compassion. In the US they have just turned to an autocrat, they’ve given Trump power. With Trump people must simply obey but they don’t need to feel guilty for what’s happening. Trump tells them others, not Americans, are to blame. Canada is too fragmented for that to happen, so the bickering and fighting between the Federal and Provincial governments will maintain a downward slide. Trump won by blaming others and Trudeau will probably lose because he blames us.

You make a good point but in all the flying garbage it was lost. Your observation is really the root of the problem. As Socrates said, democracy doesn't work unless voters are knowledgeable. Today elections have become popularity and pandering contests and so when you elect a drama teacher you get drama. Saying (pretending?) you're woke has compassionate appeal to the voters but then you get elected and the fact that you know very little causes chaos. Also, your lack of knowledge and integrity (you've lied to get elected) makes you vulnerable to corruption.

I am not a bot and I'm the only one here with enough courage to use my real name and not hide behind a silly alias. This is a broad topic so when I was asked for examples I listed 9 points where I thought woke (politically correct) thinking had led to failure. For all the ranting here I don't see anyone challenge a single point I listed. If all you can come up with is that I am an AI bot then Canada is in more trouble than I imagine. Come on, pick one of my points and give it your best shot.

I listed 10 examples above. They're all examples of politically correct government meddling that has resulted in failing to meet the goals.

CdnFox, I'm sorry you can't understand.

Yes and No. My first post clearly articulated a point and I was asked for an example so I gave 10.