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5 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
“undermining American moral authority,”
there it is . The vomit line, I puked when I read that.
moral authority...torture..a president who assaulted several women and admitted it, on video, pays porn workers ,
calls dictators honorAble people while calling football players peacefully protesting sons of bitches.
sued for discrimination, , paid 25 million for defrauding Americans at his con man college.
Moral? Geezuz man,,lol you are like a rabid jihadist living in denial
I'm not really here to quibble with you. I'm trying to bring peace and reconciliation between Americans patriots who love their country and you die hard anti-trump/american not sure if you're just anti-trump or anti american or both.
Because this is the type of problem our diplomats deal with when we go into places like Iran and north korea (death to america etc...)
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25 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
Indeed...a majority of Canadians live their daily lives the same way as a majority of Americans.
Hating 'muricans is a lot of extra work.
The thing that bothers me about it is there are die-hards like him if not worse who usually signs up for Isis and other anti-american groups.
Their most damaging infraction is sowing the seed of discord; spewing anti american propaganda, undermining American moral authority, seeking to divide people, calling us American Imperialist and the like. They bring a message of hate and division with our allies. This is the sort of propaganda our adversary have been spilling into Europe and the rest of the world. Pure un-adulterated political subversion.
He reminds me of the hippie generation of Jane Fonda. He might even be an annarcho-communist.
Yuri Bezmenov, a soviet defector that defected to Canada says it takes 15-20 years to demoralize a country, because that is the amount of time it takes for a whole generation to grow up and rise to power.
Groups like Anti-fa and Alt-right are pawns used in this war of words.
It is definitely a challenge to unify a country let alone a coalition of countries. I wonder how the greatest generation did it?
They definitely didn't have some of the problem we have today with a lack of distrust for our own government(plenty of good reason to) and general sense of alienation from society because we seem to have a lost a "fundamental friendliness toward one another" -Sec Defense James Mattis.
I think I'm going to look up a book to read up on this topic.
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1 minute ago, Jimwd said:
Birthers ...deep state..pizza gate...
chuckle....... and BONE SPURS
I'm just going to safely assume most Canadians are definitely not as anti american as you.
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14 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:
How should countries respond to U.S. tariffs?
1. Boycott all 100 percent U.S. made goods.
2. Lean on multi-literalism: Trump is playing the Machiavellian game of divide and conquer. By seeking bilateral agreements, he is setting U.S. trading partners against each other. Don't give into the temptation to do this for the sake of a trade agreement with the U.S.. Canada, Mexico, the E.U. and other impacted countries should support each other and enhance free trade with each other.
3. Do NOT remove or reduce any of the counter-tariffs against the U.S. until the U.S. removes its 2018 tariffs. Again, all non-U.S. trading partners must have absolute unity in the application of this measure.
LOL, good luck with the unity part. The whole reason we got into this "trade war" mess in the first place is because of your protectionist policies. Trump suggested our countries do completely free trade which is beneficial to both, but your PM wanted to keep his pride at the cost of your money. You can thank Trudeau for that.
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1 hour ago, Jimwd said:
As long as you embrace fascism you can't be our friend.....so ..its up to you to do the right thing.
We are frenemies. Actually we should annex you straight out of the fascist playbook. Which concentration camp would you like to go to? Disneyland or seaworld?
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7 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
As long as you embrace fascism you can't be our friend.....so ..its up to you to do the right thing.
Sieg Heil mein fuher!
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24 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
Lol.... naw.. you have big guns, you don’t have big hearts . That’s why you can’t beat goat herders in Afghanistan.
Look you win canada, you caught our bluff, we can't stay mad at you.
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27 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
There’s always an implied threat with America, yet we haven’t seen you win a war. 17 years in Afghanistan against goat herders, .
how do you think you’d do against people who look like you, talk like you? It would be a disaster for you if you tried to bully us. Your history of attacking 3rd world countries is impressive, but won’t help you,
I know exactly what will happen. We will probably talk about it over beer.
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1 minute ago, Jimwd said:
“A nation divided against itself cannot stand “ Abraham Lincoln
Divided as in morally or physically because if America falls it won't bode well for you so called "allies".
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1 minute ago, Jimwd said:
No you are not supposed to throw in the towel and wave a white flag . What you are supposed to do is learn the facts. When you do you will realize the gop is a threat to America. Republicans have conned you big time, their wars on lies ,and convinced you it was ok. They crashed your economy and convinced you it was some Democrat law that forced the banks to commit fraud,. I know all the propaganda.
now you elected a demagogue who insulted his way to the presidency . A divider like no one has seen. He’s no leader. He does everything he can to divide his nation and alienate American allies.
Wake the fuk up.
A little off topic but are you a conspiracy theorist by chance?
Lets assume you are right, assume I'm brainwashed by trumpian logic. How do you plan on stopping me?
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5 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
This where you really don’t understand and it’s a shame, in Canada credibility is everything. Once you lie it’s over, we’re done. America lied to the world about Iraq, committed human rights atrocities with state sponsored terrorism and torture, Abu graighb was a war crime as was your illegal invasion,
over 4 million people displaced in Iraq not counting the dead. You created Isis ..
the horror you brought to those people is unimaginable. If you want some pics of what your bombs did to children ,I have some for you.
You lost your credibility ......it’s done ....
Ah I see how the canadians operate. Such brittle spirit. Am I suppose to throw in the white flag and surrender because somehow you disagree with me? Attacking my moral characters for lies because you think you know something I don't ? Well its a shame you choose not to discuss our differences because the alternative to resolving conflict involves sticks.
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2 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
Ok let me try and explain it this way. You were wrong about Iraq having wmds, wrong about Iran’s solution on Israel. Wrong about torture.
Do you know where your credibility lies on the other issues you want to discuss ? Zero. What you consider facts are usually right propaganda and far removed from the facts.
Dec 27 2008
Time 11:25 am
Operation cast lead
Gaza one of most densely populated areas in the world
1 ton bomb will take out a city block
Israel drops 100 one ton bombs per day for 22 days
Why 11:25 am?
That is the time the mornings school shift changes to the afternoon
800,000 palestinian children on the streets at that time
Now you know what a war crimelooks like.
Stop reverting back to ad homien logical fallacies. Address the issue stated above . How do you plan on dealing with iran.
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9 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
Yes That Iran..now look who started it,...by the way it was Canadians who got your people out. Never again....
They took the hostages when they deposed the shah..your monster criminal that tortured his people
Thanks for the help? I guess? Buyer's remorse?
Anyways, so yes ,how do the canadian and i guess the european plan on dealing with Iran? Since you all pride your selves on not getting your hands dirtied and staying on the moral high ground (seemingly wanting to have your cake and eat it too).
Allow them to continue the four other points i mentioned previously while only choosing to confront the nuclear threat leading to a destabilized middle east where you will have to call big brother to sort out your mess again and blame us later for it?
Kind of like ukraine? Advocating support for ukraining democracy and do nothing to help them when russia invaded in retaliation because they don't want a ukraine economically close to the west? Throw your partners under the bus?
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14 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
The gassing of the kurds is not the issue because Reagan .and bush were saddams buddies long after Saddam gassed the kurds. They supplied Saddam with weapons and supported him attacking Iran..you know Iran who is the threat. Iran the people you helped saddam invade and slaughter? Iran where you shot down a civilian aircraft in Iranian airspace? You know which Iran I am talking about? the one where you over threw a democracy and installed the shah who tortured an killed his own people with American support.
If you want to debate me...you better get informed because its clear you aren't.
Lets continue this debate, i find this much more productive then beating each other with a stick, albeit my stick is much bigger.
The same Iranian who held american hostage for over 2 years who now supports state sponsored terrorism and extremist islamism?
Yes lets discuss their fate .
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4 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
"No one was more shocked and angry than I was when we didn't find the weapons," he writes.
"I had a sickening feeling every time I thought about it. I still do."
This is the problem with the tribalism silliness. Your first claim was "don't buy into liberal bias" In fact Bush isn't a liberal. But you have been trained when the facts don't fit it must liberal bias.
The answer is Bush manipulated the intelligence. Cherry picked ..probably Cheney mostly. Thats is why your credibility doesn't exist on any claims you make.
No one trusts you because your leaders lie and your population is dumbed into believing things like IRAQ did have WMDS When even your former president admits they didn't.
The problem isn't liberals .The problem is you and the birther ,pizza gate crowd.
You are absolutely right public deception isn't just a liberal bias is a conservative bias as well.
Cheney was very influential on the Bush administration i acknowledge this.
Do not detract from the previously stated facts, about nuclear reactor and gasing of kurds. Would this have been reasons enough to go to war?
These could have been reason enough to go to war. Or perhaps cheney believe other american interest were at heart like oil? Which funny enough the chinese and european benefited from. The american oil companies didn't even bother.
Ofcourse we have the benefit of hindsight now. Iraq is now a democratically liberated state. The moment they held democratic election for the first time in all of iraq's history that in it self is victory we been fighting and dying for. If the same needs to happen in Iran then so be it.
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6 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
Iraq did not unless you are calling Bush a liar. he admitted in his book .No WMDS... what now?
Bush may very well have mislead the public, why would I be surprise he is a politician.
I am seriously talking about the facts stated above. Look it up. Iraqi nuclear fusion reactor purchased from the french, gas attack on kurds.
The question remains, were these reasons enough to go to war over...
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18 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
Democratic voting has never been a problem for me. But the fact is the lies America tells about Iran wanting too kill Jews is pretty clear isn't it.? You were suckered . Turns out we now know which one of us is well read on the issue and which one isn't.
Your intelligence agencies told us Iraq had WMDS and caused the massive slaughter an torture of innocent people.
Iraq did have wmd, they were building nuclear capabilities until the israel destroyed it. They then pursued chemical nerve agent which they used on the kurds.
These are truth so dont discount that and buy into the liberal bias.
Were those reasons enough to go to war over i do not know. Those are political questions that our elected leader get to decide.
Back to Iran, you provided me no evidence where Iran does not wish the dissolution of the Israeli state. As far as I'm concern israel is our allies and we will stand by them.
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2 hours ago, Jimwd said:
Its a shame americans fall for the Israeli propaganda. Ill give you a perfect example with evidence. Americans keep telling us Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map. Well when Netanyahu came to speak to congress behind Obamas back i listened carefully to him. He made the statement that Iran was even tweeting Israels destruction. So i followed up as a Canadian who does his research. Well guess what. everything you were told is a lie and here is the proof. Iran certainly did post a 9 point plan. here is is. In an israeli newspaper.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-supreme-leader-touts-9-point-plan-to-destroy-israel/
check no.3 the proper way..
Those 9 plans are still about the destruction of israel. Even if they plan to do it by voting. Which isn't actually the case since some of the other points clearly suggest "arming" an insurgency. Which proves my previous post about Iranian insurgency.
Look i don't care what YOU think about Iran or for that matter the Israeli, I care about what our defense and intelligence agency says about Iran (Clearly you internet commando somehow believe you know more about everything than the CIA because you know how to use google search). They have clearly stated that the current iranian regime (not the iranian people) as a threat.
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9 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
We can't work with fascists.. Iran hasn't invaded another nation in over 300 years. Look at your record.
I don't think you are well read on this matter. Look up Iranian proxies in lebanon, syria and yemen.
It's a shame you can't work with us out of some misguided belief that we're nazis. Oh well I guess America has to do what its always done lead by example because the rest of you all seem to lack the initiative.
"The only thing worse than fighting a war with allies is fighting a war without them" - Winston Churchill.
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31 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
Canada can defend itself quite well.
Lets dial back the rhetoric here. I don't see any benefits in fighting canadians and our allies over domestic politics. Lets just agree to disagree. Where we can work together to resolve world issue should be the international stage. Iran is a regional threat, china and russia is a global threat as defined by our 2018 pentagon defense strategy. If you like me to clarify and break down why these countries are a threat then I will do so.
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41 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
Well tearing up a deal without a plan is nonsense. Amateur hour.
I notice you criticized Obama’s policy’s and I am shaking my head wondering how an American can be that oblivious to facts Don’t you know what bush did to you? Thousands Of dead troops, hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, torture, ..utterly destroyed your credibility in the world.
Whether you like it or not obama brought respect back to America. Trump shame and disgrace. No one respects you.
you just don’t see that do you? World considers America no 1 threat to world peace, I wonder why,
I think we're talking about two different worlds here. Our adversary really really respects us now. You guys, our allies, might not because you don't like our elected leader or foreign policies etc...
This is typical with the pendulum swings. Democrats/ liberal president has always been more popular with our allies than the Republicans/ conservative.
Bush did what he thought was right and by the way he was forced to invade Afghanistan, I don't know why he decided to invade Iraq, I don't have access to enough data to pretend to preach to you about that.
And for the record it wasn't bush that killed our soilder it's Iran lets make that clear now.
If you think America is the number 1 threat to world peace then I think we should consider ourselves adversaries.
Because I am unapologetically American. I defend American values and interests. I don't care who is in office so long as they share the same basic belief as outlined in our constitution and declaration of independence.
I might disagree with our elected officials over methods of achieving America's national interest and its foreign interest which ever they maybe (changes from administration to administration) . But I am a patriot and an American first and always! There is no his america or my america there is only our america.
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7 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
I agree with some of your points and disagree with others, we can discuss that at a later time. However none of it has anything to do with trump tearing up the iran deal. Trump tore up the deal for one reason. Obama. His petty narcisstic ugliness has now caused a possible threat that didn’t need to be.
if trump truly wanted to improve it he would have talked to the people negotiated it which were 5 other nations, came up with a better plan.
Any moron can tear up a deal . That takes no talent, just ugliness. Putting together a better deal with other nations takes ability . Trump doesn’t have it.
Total failure
Again I would point out that the trump administration seek to limit not only the nuclear threat but also all the other mentioned threat. They are trying to get a whole sale price for something that Obama was unable to achieve. It's ambitious but I think is ultimately the right direction (probably where we differ).
They see that as long as Iran has money it will use those resources for no good and is a much bigger threat in the long run than nuclear . So pulling out of the nuclear deal and reimposing sanctions was a means to an end.
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1 hour ago, Jimwd said:
He tore up the iran deal without a replacement deal. The Iran deal negotiated by 6 nations. Did he try to improve it? Replace it?
Nothing. Utter failure
I have a prediction for you. No nation will give up its nukes to a pathological liar. Would you?
Yall gave up your nukes for no reason and asked us to house our nukes in your country. I digress but anyways.
The problem with Iran is five fold, cyber, insurgency (state sponsored terrorism, hesbola/lebanon, houthi rebels/yemen), nuclear, maritime (mining of strait of Hormuz, threats to close sea lanes etc..) ballistics missile threat.
The Iran deal only dealt with nuclear.
We have four other concerns that even if we manage to contain the nuclear threat will allow Iran to threaten regional stability. Especially with the lifting of sanctions as they will use their new found resources to further the aforementioned goal.
You have no Idea how close we are to global chaos (this is what i loose sleep at night over) under the previous Obama administration because of his risk averse foreign policies and willingness to pull american forces back. Luckily our new secretary of defense has reverse much of this trend.
We need to force Iran back into the negotiation table much like we're negotiating with you all on trade.
The real solution to Iran and this is a hard question, is do we as western democracy align our values with fundamentalist Islamism. We respect Islam so I'm not talking about a war against Islam. I'm talking about fundamentalist Islamism as defined here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_fundamentalism). Americans are not going to allow women to be bared from education and that only recognize one religion as the true religion.
Because that is what the current Iranian regime is, fundamentalist Islamism.
They are not just a state but also a revolutionary force much like America.
There is no point defeating an enemy and allowing it to manifest it self in other areas like lebanon, yemen and syria.
Please watch Mattis's speech about this global issue. You find he is very thoughtful and has deep knowledge of world issues.
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12 minutes ago, Jimwd said:
You got nothing except a promise to talk. Remember there is only one goal post. N Korea gives up its nukes, there is no middle ground.
no spin, no lies, no slithering, kim Jong gives up nukes trump wins, kim Jong keeps nukes trump loses .
We got what we wanted out of the meeting. The rest will be up to the state department and our diplomats to work out. Hopefully they will be successful in this endeavor. the hope of man kind is with them.
If Americans are evil, why doesn't Canada stop them?
in Canada / United States Relations
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Thanks for the article I just finished reading it.
It was disheartening to read about 9/11 and how "it was common to hear some Canadians voice the opinion that Americans had finally gotten what they deserved" .
The smugness does not really phase me but the fact that there are those who wish us harm is frankly "insulting and unacceptable" - Trudeau on Tarrifs (giggles) .
On my travels to Canada, I have found more similarities than differences. Admittedly I was enamor and still is by their open society and lack of security concerns because they have lower violent crimes rate.
I (most Americans) generally think of Canada as satellite state, sort of like Alaska. This is really what we think of you Canada.
To put it into perspective the entire population of Canada is roughly equivalent to my home state of Texas give a or take a couple of millions. My city alone has more than 8 million people living in it. So I always thought of Canada as a sparsely populated state with a few small cities. Hence the view of another state.
I have to say though, I find the level of their passive aggressiveness towards america hilarious.