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Goh Shenas

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  1. 1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

    That's kind of my point.  I'll quote you, but without the "just"  "It is not the moderate muslims but Islam that is the problem."

    Islam is a set of ideas that can mean anything to anyone.  The same as any other religion.  I assume you are Jewish.  Will you sit next to a woman on an aeroplane?

    The intepretation of Islam by many of its adherents is the problem.  From applauding the idea of a punishment for blasphemy in a Pakistani backwater to detonating oneself in a crowded concert for little girls in Manchester, it is the individual believer that is the problem. 

    Why do you bring jewish identity into this?  This is about Muslims and Islam. Leave judaism out of this. Itwadn't a jew committing these atrocities in Manchester.

    It is because of Islam and its dictrine that every Muslim is a potential target and a recruit to commit suicide like they are doing in Israel.

  2. 6 minutes ago, Peter F said:

    I'm not going to tell you one good thing about Islam. I'm perfectly content that you think Islam sucks. Go ahead. Help yourself to such thoughts. I do reject your vague and thoughtless prescription to what should be done about terrorists - specifically Islamic ones, never mind all the other types of murdering scum - as a mindless call that we need a Stasi State because you don't trust any Muslim to not be a killer.   I could, if I was daft, apply the same standard to you. What evidence is there that you are not planning some killings yourself?   By your own logic you need serious watching  because we don't know whats running through your mind ...

       

    Islam is a doctrine that is practised today by fanatics. Go and read about Mufti and his grand plans.

    No need to insult me if you approve if muslims who are killing jews/ christians and now children in Manchester. What kind of a twisted doctrine/ mind wants to defend these people?

     

  3. 14 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

    Obviously the point is that they are not.  But we did that to death.  That's still no reason to make stuff up.  Especially stuff that is completely out to lunch.

    We discussed this to death but I don't agree with your assessment. It is not just the moderate muslims but Islam that is the problem. This is what many liberals here donot understand. How can you tell a moderate muslim may not detonate a bomb at the Toronto city centre when they can be influenced by brothers abroad? How are you able to distinguish a good muslim from extremist when their followers submit to Islam?

    This is where we are now. The danger is present and already too late.

  4. 20 minutes ago, Peter F said:

    Who condoned that action? Certainly not Rue. 

    You or Rue tell me one good thing about Islam? A religion that advocates death upon infidels? 

    How can you or Rue tell us with absolute certainty that none of these moderate muslims will not suddenly turn violent and detonate a bomb in Toronto???

    Is Islam a religion of peace killing civilians in Israel? 

  5. 15 minutes ago, Rue said:

    Why would he? You make it clear by your question you have already rendered the conclusion there is not one good thing about Islam. You express a conclusion that makes it clear you are not serious in entertaining any position other than your own. Get it clear. He has not defended Muslim extremism, fundamentalism, terrorism or any other thought process in the name of Islam or ANY religion that defends violence. What position he has taken and I stand by him on is that you do not distinguish between Muslims-you label them all as evil. That is clear in your comments, and that renders your comments as extreme, hateful and as potentially violent as the very thought processes engaged in by Muslim and other extremists and terrorists. Your thought processes if I may use that reference, are no different than those who engage in the terrorist attacks in the name of Islam. You no more represent me or anyone like me who detests Muslim violence anymore than Muslim terrorists represent Muslims.

    Islam is evil and full of hatred. Muslims have an agenda to kill kafirs be it a jew or christians. It is disgusting when people condone the actions of this religion that promotes hatred when children have died in Manchester bombing.

    Yah you go and blame me.

  6. 27 minutes ago, Rue said:

    You again label all Muslims as savages.

    Of course your comment is  nonsensical You are very well aware there are insufficient numbers to be able to conduct surveillance on such a scale. Furthermore common sense would tell you that it would be insufficient as the vast majority of people you would have under surveillance simply because they are "Muslim" would not be doing anything warranting surveillance. Next and again common sense would tell you, there is no way of knowing who is "Muslim" just by looking at them. Muslims come in every shape, colour and size. They don't wear Muslim badges that say Hi I am Muslim follow me.

    You clearly do not understand how intelligence and in fact counter-intelligence operations work. You have this simplistic notion you can label an entire group of people as evil and "watch" them.

    Yah I know. In the good old days with Hitler you could put yellow Stars or Pink Triangles on them and lock them up. Ah the good old days.

    Do everyone a favour. Hide under your bed. Clearly the sight of anyone with a tan frightens you.

    How dare you 

     

    19 minutes ago, Rue said:

    Why would he? You make it clear by your question you have already rendered the conclusion there is not one good thing about Islam. You express a conclusion that makes it clear you are not serious in entertaining any position other than your own. Get it clear. He has not defended Muslim extremism, fundamentalism, terrorism or any other thought process in the name of Islam or ANY religion that defends violence. What position he has taken and I stand by him on is that you do not distinguish between Muslims-you label them all as evil. That is clear in your comments, and that renders your comments as extreme, hateful and as potentially violent as the very thought processes engaged in by Muslim and other extremists and terrorists. Your thought processes if I may use that reference, are no different than those who engage in the terrorist attacks in the name of Islam. You no more represent me or anyone like me who detests Muslim violence anymore than Muslim terrorists represent Muslims.

    I am not interested to represent you. How can I represent you even if I don't even know you? Who is being none sensical now? I just don't like to see these muslim terrorists in the West or terrorising the poor civilians in Israel. Such barbaric acts show savagery of their religion. 

  7. 1 minute ago, -TSS- said:

    On the average one person a day is arrested in Britain suspected of preparing terrorist-activity. A lot of terrorist-attacks have been foiled and thousands of suspicious people are under 24/7-surveillance.

    Despite this it is impossible to guarantee 100%-security and every now and then someone slips through the net. The bomber of this attack was himself under watch but when you have thousands of people under watch it is difficult to prioritise.

    Only big countries such as the USA, Britain or France have any possibilities of having such resources making it possible to maintain such a system of close surveillance of suspicious people.

    For the sake of safety and security all muslims in these countries should be under surveillance even better to tag them all.

    We cannot afford another terror attack by these savages....

  8. 50 minutes ago, Peter F said:

    What is meant by that, I wonder?  Why so vague? Why so PC to say only that something must be removed but fail to say what 'removed' means? 

    Forgive me for being so PC Peter. Islam is like a tumour that must be eradicated. It's filled with filth. Maybe I should use the term 'obliterated' not to sound too PC. 

     

  9. Am Yisrael Chai. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Imagine all these suicide bombings in the West. They do the same in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem when these Muslim cowards hide behind children, throw rockets destroy houses and hold innocent civilians at ransom. These are the filthy terrorist Muslims President Netanyahu has to put up with. And now some Libturds complain about offending Muslims using intellectual words like Islamophobia! Well, how about all the anti-semitism that has been going on for much longer? How about innocent civilians losing their lives at the hands of these backward savages? Enough is enough. Never again!!!!

     

    Islam is a backward religion filled with filth. It is like cancer that must be removed.

     

     

  10. 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

     

    Ah, well...Manchester is a good thing to you then. Poor Islam getting its licks in.

    Islam doesn't care but our tree hugging lefties do....They sing along with moderate muslims: Don't blame Islam blame the Kebabs.  

    Mufti has done a good job for Islam. Recruiting martyrs and virgins business must be booming.

     

  11. 9 hours ago, bcsapper said:

    While I think the odds of me using the phrase "Blinkered Liberals" are always pretty good, the idea that I called you one is fairly laughable.  Unless it was a typo of mammoth proportions.

    The point is all Muslims are the same. Islam is a religion that promotes hatred of infidels. Liberal lefties here excuse muslim cause.

    Submit to Islam!

  12. 14 hours ago, bcsapper said:

    Thanks.  I was getting swamped there, for a minute...

    Well you play the devil's advocate calling me a blinkered liberal for having no mercy for Muslims. Moderates or extremists.

    Enough is enough! This filthy religion practised by the likes of Mufti who wanted to kill all jews.

    These tree hugging liberal lefties advocating mercy for moderate muslims are worse than muslims. Mass deportation of all muslims to their country where they can happily kill eachother to enjoy 72 virgins. 

  13. 5 minutes ago, Argus said:

    You might find this illuminating,if you have time. It's a transcript of a discussion involving Irshad Manji and some Muslim scholars and journalists.

    Moderate Muslims do denounce a violence that is committed in the name of Islam, very much so.  But they deny that religion plays any role in that violence. The very first thing you will hear from the mouth of a moderate, typically, after an act of violence committed in the name of Islam is, please don't misunderstand, Islam has nothing to do with this. But that's not true. Because those who are committing the violence cite Islam as their inspiration.

     

    What reformist Muslims do is that we acknowledge there is violence, but we also say that the way in which some people are using our religion is that they are inspired by religion to commit that violence.

    In other words, when moderate Muslims say that Islam has nothing to do with this, they are the ones, in my humble view, who are seeding the ground, who are handing over the ground of theological interpretation to those who already have malignant intentions. But we have to acknowledge that there are verses that terrorists are using, and that they should not have the last word. You can't do that if you're going to say Islam has nothing to do with this violence. 

    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/headtohead/2016/01/transcript-irshad-manji-islamophobia-160123075229052.html

    All moderate muslims are complicit no matter how you twist this

  14. 3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

    It's a definition that is in the hands of the definer.

    It is at the root of all our disagreements.

    Would you agree that all Muslims are complicit in the actions of a few who commit crimes against humanity in the name of Islam?

    Grand Mufti seem to have instilled this hatred in all of them

  15. 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

     

    Or anybody eventually. The PLO and PFLP were keen on hijacking or blowing-up airliners...often. Entebbe brought that era to a close....

    PLO, PFLP, they are all bunch of tossers. They don't care about anyone but themselves. Pretty much what Muslims do. Blowing up airlines, suicide bombing, hiding behind children....

  16. 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

    The Mufti escaped justice at the end of WW2 for his participation in the Holocaust and went on to start the Arab-Israeli conflict. I'd say it's alive and well.

    The Mufti legacy left lots of hatred for jews. 

    That aside the level of anti semitism now is staggering. People are using different approach to attack jews...

  17. 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

    The Mufti escaped justice at the end of WW2 for his participation in the Holocaust and went on to start the Arab-Israeli conflict. I'd say it's alive and well.

    It is well known and documented mufti's affiliation with SS. This is why they want to exterminate jews.

  18. 1 minute ago, scribblet said:

    I was just watching BBC news where the broadcaster has told us that in the U.K. they have more individuals like this homicide bomber under investigation than ever before.  In 2015 there over 3000 extremists under investigation.    I guess this crackdown hasn't been enough

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11457174/Extremism-in-Britain-Now-the-crackdown-is-launched.html

    Amen! I rest my case. 

    This wahabi religion is spreading like cancer

  19. 4 minutes ago, Argus said:

    All true. The problem is these people are the minority. And a lot of them are talking out of both sides of their mouths. Throughout the vast Muslim world clerics are pounding the pulpit and screeching about the evils of western culture and the dangers of the infidels and their immoral, decadence and godlessness, and and the danger posed by the filthy Jews. For every Muslim scholar who signs some sort of apologetic letter a thousand more will sign a letter stating that gays must die. For every western Muslim cleric involved in any sort of inter religious cooperation a thousand others are decrying infidels.

    If they are saying this in mosques in Canada what do you think they're saying in mosques in Lebanon and Jordan and Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia? Or in the schools? Irshad Manji famously talked about her time in a Muslim school in Canada and how rigid, conservative and anti-Semitic the teachers were. What are Muslims really being taught and told away from the media, where it really matters?

     

    It's not just clerics but their whole population feeds on this backward ideology.

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